DRAFT BGC 2021 Pre-Draft/Patriot-Type Prospect(s) thread

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

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[patsfanfromoversea]

Yea I think he's gone by round one that looks to be around his value give or take.

It all depends on QB, early. If we're not seeing the value or just don't like the class I'd make a point to trading back up into the first so we have two one's. Or trading back into round two with the thought of using our 3 & 4 for a possible third second.

i did some mocks to see what teams offer and i got several offers for a trade back in range 20-25 and another first next year. Don't know how realistic that is but if the top playmakers are gone i would like to trade down to pick 3 times in the 64 range. We still can use some draft capitaö to trade up our second or sth

IOW: Two first or three seconds. We need impact players and have 10+ picks. We can afford and again need the talent.

Again *if* we don't like the QBs and Thuney leaves maybe we try to snag a Pitts or Waddle early and get a Slater, AVT or Davis for inside.

would prefer Slater>AVT>Davis

If I'm tasked with reloading this team I'd be pressing for some aggression with the picks. Let me go get the guys you've asked me to scout over the last year.

This is the perfect time for an influx of talent (two top 32 or three top 64 prospects)

Any thoughts? Anyone? Stay patient and let the board fall or come out punching? Again we have 11 picks I believe?

i like the aggressive way if we really like a kid, use th comp picks for trades and we can get 2-3 playmakers, that would certainly help
The late round picks are anyway more or less often depth players but we are more lacking playmakers than depth

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I like Jones but if I'm being honest Ridder.

I've been in the Ridder/Strong > Jones/Trask camp. Probably go Ridder/Strong, Jones and Trask.

Yeah, the problem i most have with jones and trask is their lack of mobility tbh, i mean in our offense its important to extend the play scramble a bit avoid pressure or run for a couple of yards if the play is screwed. Otherwise it is two one dimensional and our offense is and probably will not be the main passing offense with great weapons

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Ronnie Perkins is someone who's been on my radar. Extremely aggressive. Wants to fight. Undersized, tweener that likes to mix it up. Quick, has some real pop in his hands and very tough against the run. Has some flexibility. Not sure where teams might like him but they'll like him.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

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i want to look at him tonight against bama, really excited to see JOK against bama offense as well
Also tomorrow Fields is getting interesting, for me he needs a good performance to be in the number two discussion not beyond wilson

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Watched a bunch of Kyle Pitts for a real look. 10+ games including four A22 (South Carolina, Bama, A&M & UG)

From PA. Played TE/WR & DE. Think someone had interest with him as a QB. Apparently a very good all-around player that has always flashed something special. Really wanted to pursue playing TE and after watching Eric Ebron thought he was sold it was for him.

Match-up nightmare - 600 + (inline), 200 +(slot), 170 + (wide) - You can line him up in the backfield - detached, anywhere and he'll do work. Not just something cool to say. Pitts has beat NFL prospects/DB's for two years out wide. He's an option everywhere and a little creativity will go a long way with him.

His release has improved and really helps him out wide. Free release from behind the line or elsewhere just makes it so tough on defenders with an athletic 6'6/245 coming at them. A real chess piece and that's thrown around too much. Developed some nice patience at the los. Clean, efficient footwork off the line. Not the quickest or fastest but very smooth and again efficient. Very few false steps, if any. More sudden than I first gave him credit for. Uses a variety of releases, stutter-hesi but its his jab step or a diamond release for instance and ability to sell outside that gives him the. It really makes him money. Creates a nice stem at the beginning and top of his route to get open.

He does a fantastic job at selling outside for in-breaking routes. Runs a slant like he's 210 not a bacon burger away from 250. Crisp and clean head/shoulder fakes. Killer swim move to separate. Will stab and use his length, hands at times. Understands and sets up leverage reads nicely. Can work all areas. Back shoulder/slant/out & up, crossers, seam route. Much like everything else he does his r/r is neat.

At times Pitts is able to get low, sink into his hips and come out with a nice burst off his cut. Easy, smooth mover with no stiffness or lumbering movements. Silky smooth glider that eats up yards with his strides. Reportedly ran a 4.70, not bad but any improvement on that will be welcomed. More than enough play speed, quicks and elusivness.

Big-time catch radius with soft mitts. No tough catches or double catches. Ball just falls into his hands. He'll pluck it from the air. Easily one of his best assets is the ability to catch off-target passes. Both high and low. Sometimes without making a complete stop to adjust. Mind you he's 6'6, an awesome target. Has the ability to be that security blanket every QB wants bc of those two attributes.

Blocking is an issue but not a lost cause. You won't put in his tape for a blocking clinic but he can be good enough. Doesn't feel like it was pushed in college. At times he'd try to just use his length, not much technique. Hand placement is too far outside/away from the #'s. Has to strike first. Few reps every game that aren't bad. He'll show some aggression as a lead blocker or close to putting it all together for a few reps. A&M had a few of them. They're there but not consistent enough. Effort is very present just needs to keep it simple and live with some mistakes. Might never be a killer but he could a better with a little fix here and there. One thing that stands to be helpful is Pitts getting stronger. He absolutely has to improve his play strength. For inline play and while he's running across the middle.

Has the body control, ability to contort for tough catches. Shows toughness in different areas. Trajectory and growth look/have been very promising.

Has to keep working on getting open at top of the route. Improvement and accuracy with hand placement. Grip strength. Not looking for enormous gains. A little technique, growing into his body and experience, learning from pros should go a long way with this one.

Comp - Moves like Travis Kelce/ Eventually could have Jermichael Finley's body too if he adds some muscle.

Pitts isn't just a TE in in fact whoever drafts him should continue to develop him outside as a WR. It would only be a natural as he's been a hybrid since high school. Keep working him outside, work on his blocking and get him stronger. Pitts is 21 I believe, in three years he could an absolute monster on the field. He's ahead of schedule in a lot of areas and is a hard worker by all accounts. The development over the past two years speaks to that but is everything you want to see.

Take away what you want. 1 on 1 on an island, good luck. Mukuamu is a very long prospect, possible safety convert but the exact match you'd want against Pitts. Look at the release though.






This is another area where he's just too much for the defense. Free release is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

100000% agree, but i kind of would like to see a vet TE like Hunter Henry. If we land him in FA, would you still consider Pitts? i know you wrote about his versality and able to play wide but idk if we get henry asiasi and keene still need reps on sundays to learn. It's a tough choice we have to make. I think Pitts might be gone anyway but would probably take one of the top 3 WR instead of pitts if we sign a vet TE

denifitely, i don't see much defense talent worth the top 15 and quit some offense playmakers, so kind of right now would expect more offense players to be picked there, a Waller hybrid WR/TE type is a fecking matchup nightmare and helps us create more mismatches, would be happy about any playmaker to help our offense stepping up

So just my opinion and I haven't seen Asiasi/Keene up close with us to know if they really fit. I'm not passing on Pitts bc of them. Even if we land Henry. I'm pushing Keene in the FB/TE hybrid role and just haven't seen enough from Asiasi yet. Henry has the injury history. I'd sign him and draft Pitts (mind you I'm taking Pitts at 15 not top ten or trading up there) and not worrying about the TE position for 3 years. If Asiasi and Keene work out that would give us an amazing group and a lot of good problems. I'm done worrying and trying to remake the WR/TE position over 3-5 years. We have that group and we're set for a long time.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Yeah, the problem i most have with jones and trask is their lack of mobility tbh, i mean in our offense its important to extend the play scramble a bit avoid pressure or run for a couple of yards if the play is screwed. Otherwise it is two one dimensional and our offense is and probably will not be the main passing offense with great weapons

I think the ability to extend plays is so key nowadays. Defenses are too fast, too multiple and smart. It's just a different game. But I love Ridders ability to create out of pocket and outside the comforts of the offense. Something Stid struggled with big time in college. He looked great on the first read or two but when things broke down he turtled despite having legs.

I love Strong's arm, pocket presence, ability to spread it around. Hes a bigger, stronger Jones with some imagination.

Huge game for Ridder. If he has a good game I think he gets 1st round buzz.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

So just my opinion and I haven't seen Asiasi/Keene up close with us to know if they really fit. I'm not passing on Pitts bc of them. Even if we land Henry. I'm pushing Keene in the FB/TE hybrid role and just haven't seen enough from Asiasi yet. Henry has the injury history. I'd sign him and draft Pitts (mind you I'm taking Pitts at 15 not top ten or trading up there) and not worrying about the TE position for 3 years. If Asiasi and Keene work out that would give us an amazing group and a lot of good problems. I'm done worrying and trying to remake the WR/TE position over 3-5 years. We have that group and we're set for a long time.

I kind of hoped to see Keene more in this position there this season. If Waddle and Smith are gone at 15 i would take Pitts as well there. The value meets the spot definitively i agree (and also need so that's a plus). I think the chargers are in the market for Pitts big time, maybe we pass them if they beat the chiefs and we lose.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

i want to look at him tonight against bama, really excited to see JOK against bama offense as well
Also tomorrow Fields is getting interesting, for me he needs a good performance to be in the number two discussion not beyond wilson

JOK is something else. I really think the LB1 spot is closer than people think. Parsons displays some fantastic traits but gets by on his athleticism a lot. Too much for me imo. This class is good one. I know I'm in the minority here but I'd bet some teams feel the same way about the class. It's really good.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I think the ability to extend plays is so key nowadays. Defenses are too fast, too multiple and smart. It's just a different game. But I love Ridders ability to create out of pocket and outside the comforts of the offense. Something Stid struggled with big time in college. He looked great on the first read or two but when things broke down he turtled despite having legs.

I love Strong's arm, pocket presence, ability to spread it around. Hes a bigger, stronger Jones with some imagination.

Huge game for Ridder. If he has a good game I think he gets 1st round buzz.

Yeah esp with spy roles hybrid S/LB you have some speed in the box where the qb really needs some athletic, movement..
I did not follow ridder much tbh,,how is his decision making, keep the ball when getting sacked ( i hate strip sacks so much)?
If we like him and fear he is gone by end of first then i would like to get aggressive and trade up.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I kind of hoped to see Keene more in this position there this season. If Waddle and Smith are gone at 15 i would take Pitts as well there. The value meets the spot definitively i agree (and also need so that's a plus). I think the chargers are in the market for Pitts big time, maybe we pass them if they beat the chiefs and we lose.

Yea I'm thinking it's Pitts > Waddle some gap Smith and maybe a Chase but it's a small group for weapons imo that we'll be crossing from.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Love the analysis. I concur on seeing what Asiasi has since he didn't get a chance in this offense. The defense front7 needs a lot of help.

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[patsfanfromoversea]

JOK is something else. I really think the LB1 spot is closer than people think. Parsons displays some fantastic traits but gets by on his athleticism a lot. Too much for me imo. This class is good one. I know I'm in the minority here but I'd bet some teams feel the same way about the class. It's really good.

Its just that when you look at parsons play and the thing lb need to do nowadays then he has everything you want. Athletic sideline to sideline range everydown lb tackler blitzer coverage is good so he can do lots of stuff.
I like JOK, don't know if he fits us that much with his size more of a weak side dude, Collins has a lot to like
If I had to guess i think parsons is the first off the board

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Yea I'm thinking it's Pitts > Waddle some gap Smith and maybe a Chase but it's a small group for weapons imo that we'll be crossing from.

really like the bama WR, would be really happy in the draft night if we end up with one of them
Waddle would be so nice just that defenses need to fear a deep pass and open up the middle for TE/Slot wr. We need to be less predictable

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Yeah esp with spy roles hybrid S/LB you have some speed in the box where the qb really needs some athletic, movement..
I did not follow ridder much tbh,,how is his decision making, keep the ball when getting sacked ( i hate strip sacks so much)?
If we like him and fear he is gone by end of first then i would like to get aggressive and trade up.

He needs to work on his decision making, mechanics and protecting himself when on the run. Mechanics are sweet and smooth on deep stuff but he still has some stuff to clean up on short/intermediate passes. Those are the two most important concerns but again he leaves himself open to too many hits.

He'll lock onto some targets, think he can throw it through some defenders, will get fooled occasionally but honestly you could say that about Wilson, Lance and Fields as well. Ridder just seems to have a less market value but when you watch the class the QB2 spot is a lot closer than people say. He'll likely grade out as a second rounder for me but position value could bump him up. Ideally we get him after 32 but the demand for QBS is outrageous. Half the league is looking for one. Plus Ridder's strengths and +'s are really good. His arm is unreal. I mean it's special. And he's a winner. I hate using QB wins as a stat but after a while there's something to a guy at the most important position not messing it up. Ridder has won in a tough conference and is tough himself. Well spoken but tough kid. I think teams like seeing guys like him work for things. Have to fight, overcome obstacles. Intangibles matter more there and he has them.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

really like the bama WR, would be really happy in the draft night if we end up with one of them
Waddle would be so nice just that defenses need to fear a deep pass and open up the middle for TE/Slot wr. We need to be less predictable

Looking at actual production, looks like Waddle produces half of what DSmith does. Isn't Smith the more sure thing? I say this with an aversion to trusting any offensive player draft choice by this staff.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Its just that when you look at parsons play and the thing lb need to do nowadays then he has everything you want. Athletic sideline to sideline range everydown lb tackler blitzer coverage is good so he can do lots of stuff.
I like JOK, don't know if he fits us that much with his size more of a weak side dude, Collins has a lot to like
If I had to guess i think parsons is the first off the board

Parsons will almost certainly be first off the board. Too many gifts. He moves at a different speed which is scary bc I think he's a tick slow diagnosing stuff. Super athlete though.

I think everyone interested should watch Mike Rose and Tony Fields. Fields is a long shot but so fun. Rose made himself some money this year. Could be this year's Matt Milano. He's played over 500 snaps at LB & Slot the past two years at 6'3/240. He's been really good in all phases this year.