Bedard says Brady was bad against Jets?

[mosslost]

Was he posting in the game thread under the name "mosslost"?

I love Brady

 

[Froob]

sure it wasnt felger? he’s never impressed with any of the Pats wins, this year, last year, any years

"PAALEASE Mike 59-0 over the Titans is supposed to be impressive? They should have won 80-0 but arrogant Bill blew it again!"

 

[mosslost]

I've seen Bedard break down film and it's very reasonable to pass judgement on his assessments.

He throws cold water whenever he can

He needs to so he can keep getting asked to Felger and Mazz.

 

[mosslost]

And just how do Greg and yourself know what Brady's reads were supposed to be?

"Deuce" lol

 

[TinhWoodhead]

"PAALEASE Mike 59-0 over the Titans is supposed to be impressive? They should have won 80-0 but arrogant Bill blew it again!"

“They’ve shown me nuthing!”
“I didn’t really learn anything about them from that game” blah blah

 

[maineman209]

I think that the point I am trying to make is that Beddard has been doing his game analysis for two years. Last year, this kind of criticism didn't exist and he found is surprising to see Brady making these "misreads." He has answered your question.

Brady is playing well enough, but he isn't playing great. I think that is a fairly safe analysis based on how Brady has played this year. He hasn't been great. You can point to the stats all you want, but the truth is that Brady is not a top 5 QB this year. What happened? Did everybody else get better ? The answer is yes and no, it seems that defenses declined, why hasn't Brady feasted on bad defenses like these other QBs?

He did against KC.

Using FO's DVOA metric (because I'm too lazy to look up anything else), the Pats have played against these pass defenses:

CHI, #1 put up 38, on the road
BUF, #2 (played twice, once on the road)
MIN, #5
JAX, #6 (on the road, and with only 3 WRs dressed)

The crappiest pass defenses the Pats have played include:

DET, #31 (again, on the road with only 3 WRs dressed)
GBY, #28 ... put up 31 points
MIA, #23 ... put up 38 and 33
TEN, #21 (pretty beat-up offense just before the BYE; no Gronk, no Mason, etc.)
IND, #20 ... put up 38
NYJ, #19 ... put up 27 and 38
HOU, #18 .. put up 27
PIT, #17 .... ??
KCY, #12 ... put up 43

There are other metrics and rankings that will differ by a few places - maybe have TEN higher ranked and KCY lower ranked. Generally, the Pats have done well scoring-wise, though, considering the issues they've faced with Gronk and WRs - and the fact that they've been running more this season (3rd in the league in rushing attempts; 11th in pass attempts).

OTOH, if by "feasting", you mean putting up 40-burgers every time they've faced a less than stellar pass defense - no, they haven't really done that.

 

[PatsDeb]

If they win the guaranteed headline will be: " worst team to ever win the superbowl".

Somehow I think we (and the team) will be able to handle that criticism.

 

[Deus Irae]

PIT, #17 .... ??

3 different drives, 3 killer penalties

Sony Michel left guard for 25 yards (tackle by Vince Williams). Penalty on Trent Brown: Offensive Holding, 10 yards (no play)

1 5 PIT 5 Sony Michel middle for 3 yards (tackle by Jonathan Bostic and Terrell Edmunds). Penalty on Marcus Cannon: Offensive Holding, 10 yards (no play)

2 5 PIT 11 Tom Brady pass incomplete short right intended for Rob Gronkowski. Penalty on Shaq Mason: Offensive Holding, 10 yards (no play)

 

[BTTA]

I do not think anyone felt Brady was great in the JETS game. Brady was better than good, but great is probably too strong. It was just nice to see him moving in the pocket, rolling out and hitting a lot of his passes. We have seen him better, but that was good enough, and with a week of rest, we can hope that he is great for three playoff games (which rarely happens).

IMO, Bedard is "good at best", never great. I do not find it riveting analysis to show a picture of Brady rolling to his right and argue/discover that Brady could have stopped and thrown it across the field to a wide-open Gronk while getting nailed by a JETS D-lineman. Why Gronk was even running that route would be my question - not why didn't Brady throw it to him. It is a play about Gronk, not Brady. That is why Bedard is good at best - he only states what is obvious, what anyone could see watching the ALL22.

You can argue that Bedard is "better than good" because the other sports writers in town, by comparison, are lousy and lower the bar. Boston is a fun sports town, but the sports writing is limited. Now we have DJ Bean and Chris Forsberg so the needle is not pointing up.

I did not see where DI said others are not entitled to an opinion, he just very strongly disagrees at times. Strong discourse, including disagreement, is OK amongst us big girls and boys. Even a RED X for disagreement will "never hurt me" (Google sticks and stones).

This is part of the diversity in the readership here that creates differences of value regarding Bedard. Some readers are into football and the Pats enough to actually do this - watch the ALL22 and similar and learn enough to look behind the curtain. So for them, Bedard can be a bit repetitive, or as you put it, uninteresting. Maybe sometimes "wrong."

That's not me; I just don't invest that much into it. I'd rather have Bedard as a shortcut. And some of the analysis here.

 

[luuked]

Remember Bedard isn't some newbie turning on his all 22. He's been doing this for several years. He's taken the time to look at film WITH NFL coaches so he can learn what's they are looking at.

If the guy is seriously mentioning this Gronk play as something Brady missed you can kinda start to question whether he has ulterior motives (like lets say click bait titles) for harping on a narrative.



I not only think mentioning this play makes Bedard full of **** but even worse suggesting that Brady should throw against his body movement, across field to someone that is not even in his field of vision at this point is the worst advice he can give. Hell the cherry on top of that **** sandwich is Bedard mentioning that Gronk might also be running the wrong route.. but who cares if he is open amirite ?

That is exactly the kind of throw you want to avoid even if you have a cannon for an arm like Mahomes or Rodgers. Improvisation like this has bad decision written all over it.

Similarly the miss on Hogan -- as bad as it was -- is being used now by some people as an example of the worst miss Brady ever had ? Have those people even watched games in the last few years ?

The overthrow on Edelman against the Seahawks in SB49 on what eventually became the Amendola TD a few plays later was even worse. In a SB. Where he was the much deserved MVP.

If someone wants to claim Brady has been good but not great over the entire season and makes the argument over the last 8 games then I'd be much more inclined to listen than to this nitpickery about one very bad throw and then a couple of hurried up ones when we were multiple scores up and the game was over.

Sometimes bad throws are just bad throws and are not any kind of smoke that is evidence of the larger fire that is decline.

 

[patfanken]

If the guy is seriously mentioning this Gronk play as something Brady missed you can kinda start to question whether he has ulterior motives (like lets say click bait titles) for harping on a narrative.



I not only think mentioning this play makes Bedard full of **** but even worse suggesting that Brady should throw against his body movement, across field to someone that is not even in his field of vision at this point is the worst advice he can give. Hell the cherry on top of that **** sandwich is Bedard mentioning that Gronk might also be running the wrong route.. but who cares if he is open amirite ?

That is exactly the kind of throw you want to avoid even if you have a cannon for an arm like Mahomes or Rodgers. Improvisation like this has bad decision written all over it.

Similarly the miss on Hogan -- as bad as it was -- is being used now by some people as an example of the worst miss Brady ever had ? Have those people even watched games in the last few years ?

The overthrow on Edelman against the Seahawks in SB49 on what eventually became the Amendola TD a few plays later was even worse. In B. Where he was the much deserved MVP.

If someone wants to claim Brady has been good but not great over the entire season and makes the argument over the last 8 games then I'd be much more inclined to listen than to this nitpickery about one very bad throw and then a couple of hurried up ones when we were multiple scores up and the game was over.

Sometimes bad throws are just bad throws and are not any kind of smoke that is evidence of the larger fire that is decline.

Don't disagree on the Gronk play as I mentioned in my post. But here's the thing about Bedard's post on BSJ that people are missing. First he is basing his comments on an extremely high scale. Brady is the GOAT, so what is an average game for him, is a great game for many other QB's. Secondly and I think the main point he makes is that, given what the talent level of the team is, the Patriots NEED Brady to be "Brady great", not "Brady good" to make any real noise in this playoff run.

Smaller points are that Bedard states that he almost didn't include the Hogan miss because he recognizes that EVERY QB misses sometimes. I think his real complaint was not physical issues, but Brady's decisions. Remember on a couple of his examples Brady threw 2 completions. He also pointed out that its not like you can't question a dozen decisions of ANY QB in the league. But that Brady for so many years has been the best of them, and makes the right decisions so often having even a few plays when he didn't throw it to the optimum receiver seems like an anomaly

Just sayin'

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

This is part of the diversity in the readership here that creates differences of value regarding Bedard. Some readers are into football and the Pats enough to actually do this - watch the ALL22 and similar and learn enough to look behind the curtain. So for them, Bedard can be a bit repetitive, or as you put it, uninteresting. Maybe sometimes "wrong."

That's not me; I just don't invest that much into it. I'd rather have Bedard as a shortcut. And some of the analysis here.

I rarely look at All 22 as well - I didn't mean to imply otherwise - I prefer to drink beer and watch the game which means my New Years resolution will last about 2 weeks this year. All 22 is just a few cameras in the rafters that look at the whole field so you can see "all 22 players at the same time". On TV the cameras follow the ball and we see a few players because it is more fun. My point is that if you look at the All 22 there is nothing special about it - just different cameras that show the whole field. Anyone can make a comment after looking at All 22 pics or film - some comments are insightful and some are obvious, just like most types of analysis.

Bedards comments that Gronk was wide open, or Brady threw behind Edelman, are not especially insightful or riveting comments IMO.

I guess our diversity might be that I am looking for more in-depth comments which might be in-line with what you were saying. For example, if Bedard said "so and so on defense read the play and shot the A gap, so and so offensive guard failed to pick him up, which flushed Brady because it was an empty back field and Brady correctly rolled right to avoid the sack, and on a busted play receivers have to adjust their routes by tracking Brady's movement which Gronk did not do because he is a knucklehead. So Gronk was wide open but Brady could not see him and would have been murdered if he tried to stop to make that play. I am guessing Brady will ask Gronk WTF in the film room". That type of analysis (which I just made up) shows me that the writer knows the interaction of the offense and defense, and the typical decisions made on the field by the players as the play unfolds.

Maybe I am too detailed or analytical ;-).