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  1. holyredeemer

    holyredeemer Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Cmon now. He was a runner at that point. If you want to complain that the rule for headshots to runners is garbage and needs to be changed, go for it. But, that play was clean and legal. Cooks is great at getting open and catching that ball, but my goodness does he leave a lot to be desired as a run after catch kinda guy. When he took off after catching that ball, he looked like some dumbass playing Madden for the first time flickin’ the stick around.
     
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    Ya I get the argument about incidental hits but this one wasn't incidental.


    Here is Jenkins body in an upright-ish position. Cooks not looking

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    Lowers himself and leads with his shoulder and helmet

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    Sorry but to me that's a guy that came in targeting. He could have just as easily came in heads up and wrapped him up with a form tackle

    This hit was similair to Smith-Schuster hit on Burfict that got him suspended.

    If these hits aren't going to get called because "he's a runner" then no hits should be called
     
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    JMC00 Pro Bowl Player

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    Only dumbass is you.

    He had to come back for the ball which his momentum took him back towards the LOS and he then cut back up-field , saw a defender coming and cut back another way. Then got blindsided.


    People like you whine about him not getting the YARDS AFTER CATCH and then when he's trying to make moves to do that here you are complaining about it.
     
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    varjao Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Of course it is, not sure it is a Pats thing but its clearly an excellent trade, 15 yards in the beginning of the game for one of the best players of the other team. I thing Peterson and Marone didnt give the order but they didn't need to. It was playoff games.

    The NFL should implement the targeting rule from the NCAA.
     
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    PatriotSpy Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    90% of his brain is now littered with tau protein.
     
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    patriot1136 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    The Hogan thing bothers me a lot still. Most of the game the refs let them play, but that one especially should have been called. Probably other ones too earlier in the game.
     
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    Maybe it was just coincidence, but it looked to me that both gronk and cooks were targeted, it is one way to slow brady and the offense down.
     
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    there's a valid point above by Andy - you're going to have incidental helmet contact on a lot of running plays.

    However, I was about to respond whether they could slide and dice whether it's intentional, then saw...

    I don't watch NCAA, but how does it work? Just if the refs think "yeah that looks like intent to injure"?
     
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    Have to agree. Cooks (lack of) awareness on that play was shocking, but it is hard to watch that play and not say that the defender had other options. Either try to protect guys heads by calling this **** or don’t, but the rule as it is applied turns out to be pretty arbitrary. It’s unclear, unenforceable on a consistent basis, and it doesn’t prevent injury.

    That’s not to say I think potentially destroying a guys brain is offset by 15 yards or $27,421 or whatever the fine is. Just a ****ty situation. It’s as bad of a ‘rule’ as the catch rule.
     
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  10. chris_in_sunnyvale

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    Cooks blindly switched lanes into oncoming traffic. Just go forward and down next time, like Edelman and Amendola.

    Hope he's okay.

    Regards,
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    TheFlyingWedge 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Pats could really have used Edelman at slot corner instead of Badmostly and Jordan Richards
     
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  12. holyredeemer

    holyredeemer Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Maybe dumbass was too strong of a word. How about immature, inexperienced?! Does that make you feel better? The man, and yes, he is a man, looks completely lost out there when he is running with the ball. He is always trying to work the field laterally, and drops first chance he gets to avoid taking a tackle as opposed to recognizing the situation to gain the extra yards. Good receiver, makes big plays, but at this time, not worth the big bucks. If you think anything he has done this year deserves a description otherwise, go for it. But don’t ever try to argue at this point in his career that Cooks is a savvy tough as nails route runner. He relies on his speed and natural talents above all else. Or, he isn’t being used properly and would perform better somewhere else. I believe he will get better, and hopefully tougher as he gets more experience with this team. Until then, he’s a deep threat, and I love him, but I’ll take a chain mover every day.
     
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    holyredeemer Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Are you kidding me? How can you lead with your shoulder AND your helmet?!? It’s not possible. You either lead with a helmet, or lead with a shoulder. Either way, one or the other follows. Cooks lacked some serious awareness on that damn play. If that was any Pats player laying a hit on an Eagle, I would’ve cheered with joy! Do i want a guy to get hurt? Of course not, but that’s gonna happen in the game of football. Do I believe Jenkins tried to hurt him? No! But I do believe he meant to knock the **** out of him, as he should’ve.
     
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    The helmet to helmet rule only applies to defenseless receivers. There is no “targeting” penalty in the nfl.
    If you throw a flag for helmet to helmet on a runner first of all you will be throwing 20+ flags per game and then on half of them you have to decide which player to call it on when the rb lowers his head.
     
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    Non defenseless players are capable of protecting themselves and are trying to avoid the hit.
     
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    Yes. I know there isn't. My point is the rule needs to be changed because these flags are supposedly for player safety. But the fact that a defender can come in targeting a guy because he is a "runner" is half assed

    If college football can review hits to determine if there is clear evidence of targeting nfl can too. They can tell the difference between intentional and incidental.

    No way around it Jenkins came in looking to do more than just tackle Cooks and the evidence is there in the screenshots.
     
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    Find it difficult to believe that the NFL is supposedly serious about concussions, concussion protocol and all the rest of the bullshit.. can not continue to allow this type of thing to happen. What is the difference between a defenseless receiver and a non defensive receiver if the player is concussed?? How can the NFL reconcile a hit resulting in a concussion as being legal??

    The NFL needs to change the rules, if they choose not to at least make an effort then they will continue to be complicit in all of this.. the NFL is all lip service, there is little concern for the employee, only concern is for the product.

    Consider in that game Malcolm Jenkins "took out" Cooks and then took out Hogan with a blatant PI on the hail mary and no consequence for either event, that is a wrong message being sent.. all the bullshit about letting them play in the SB is bogus, either you keep it tight all season long or let them play all season long. They "took out" Gronk in the Jax game, with no consequence.
     
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    How were Cook and Gronk supposed to protect themselves.. both hits came from the blindside..

    Sounds good, but in reality it makes no sense.. the NFL needs to get off the commode and start getting serious, if not teams will continue to exploit this rule and take out star players..

    The penalty should be immediate ejection and suspension until the player clears concussion protocol...
     
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    Church got fined $24,000 for his hit on Gronk. As with the Cooks hit by Jenkins, Gronk was already a runner at the time, so - no flag. I'd be surprised if Jenkins isn't also fined.

    Anyway, there are consequences (though well after the fact), just no in-game penalty. I agree though. If the NFL is serious about protecting players from concussions, this type of open-field hit needs to get flagged, at the very least. Also, sitting the player who committed the foul (penalty box?) until the injured player is cleared would drive the point home not only to the player, but to his team.
     
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    Welker was a master at ducking under incoming hits and diving forward for a couple-three yards. Edelman actually took awhile to learn that. Cooks will need to be taught if he's going to expand his route portfoilo to include some of the Edelman/Amendola routes.
     

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