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Training camp will be interesting to sort out the backups.

I have worries about Trent Brown making it through a season. And many of us don’t know what to expect from an inconsistent Wynn.

Can that undrafted kid make the 53 as the backup center. How will the Canadian, Desjarless, er, Desjarlaid, er, never mind do jumping to the big leagues? Can Cajuste put it together? He certainly has the tools. Will Strange’s toughness and aggression make the unit play better? Will a veteran as many of us suspect be brought in? How will the line be reshuffled if a tackle goes down? Could Strange be plugged into tackle?
 

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In the Starting Line-Up
Training camp will be interesting to sort out the backups.

I have worries about Trent Brown making it through a season. And many of us don’t know what to expect from an inconsistent Wynn.

Can that undrafted kid make the 53 as the backup center. How will the Canadian, Desjarless, er, Desjarlaid, er, never mind do jumping to the big leagues? Can Cajuste put it together? He certainly has the tools. Will Strange’s toughness and aggression make the unit play better? Will a veteran as many of us suspect be brought in? How will the line be reshuffled if a tackle goes down? Could Strange be plugged into tackle?
I have the same worries about TB77... however, his new deal did include a weight & playing time clause... so the team is aware of the potential of an injury issue (obviously) and have at least taken steps towards trying to manage the situation... I dont know if its structure is unusual - per the pft article:

"Via Mike Reiss of ESPN.com, Brown makes $25,000 for each Thursday during the 2022 and 2023 season that he weighs in at or under 365 pounds.

He also gets $150,000 is he checks in at 385 or less on the first day of the offseason program. He gets $75,000 for being 375 or less on June 1. He gets $75,000 for being 365 or less on July 16. It adds up to $750,000 per year, over the next two seasons.

Brown also has major playing-time incentives. He gets $500,000 for participating in 65 percent of the team’s offensive snaps. He gets another $500,000 at 70 percent. He gets another $750,000 for 75 percent, another $750,000 for 80 percent, another $750,000 for 85 percent, and another $750,000 for 90 percent. He gets another $500,000 for 95 percent or making it to the Pro Bowl on the original ballot."

That's a lot of money tied to weight & playing time incentives... hope it helps keep him on the field

 

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A lot of great O-line talk in this thread. Here are my thoughts:

-I like Trent Brown at LT...I think he will be an upgrade over Wynn and will be very good there.
- Can Justin Herron play at a high level at RT, if so, Wynn will probably be gone.
-If Chasen Hines can get healthy for T/C, he is a viable option starting at RG.
-If Hines is able to play RG, we then are able to switch Onwenu to RT, which I believe he will be "All Pro" there
-Cole Strange is a plug and play starting LG from day 1. I like his nasty streak.

In the end, I believe starting our best 5 O-lineman is the way to go. In an ideal world that would be :

Brown, Strange, Andrews, Hines, Onewu with Herron, Ferentz and Steuber being top back up options.

This is going to be one of the positions that I monitor closely during TC.
 

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A lot of great O-line talk in this thread. Here are my thoughts:

-I like Trent Brown at LT...I think he will be an upgrade over Wynn and will be very good there.
- Can Justin Herron play at a high level at RT, if so, Wynn will probably be gone.
-If Chasen Hines can get healthy for T/C, he is a viable option starting at RG.
-If Hines is able to play RG, we then are able to switch Onwenu to RT, which I believe he will be "All Pro" there
-Cole Strange is a plug and play starting LG from day 1. I like his nasty streak.

In the end, I believe starting our best 5 O-lineman is the way to go. In an ideal world that would be :

Brown, Strange, Andrews, Hines, Onewu with Herron, Ferentz and Steuber being top back up options.

This is going to be one of the positions that I monitor closely during TC.
There are those who think that Onwenu is a pro bowl quality RT. I think that almost all of those folks post on message boards. Herron played RT more than Onwenu last year, reflecting that the staff does NOT consider Onwenu as a top OT.

I think that we posters greatly over-rate late rounders and UDFA's. Some make the team, most do not. I think that it would be a major coup for Hines to make the team as a backup OG and emergency backup center.

ROSTER ISSUES
OT (4)
We need four. Cajuste and Herron are an inexpensive two veterans. Brown is a lock. If Wynn goes, we need a 4th. Personally, I don't think that Onwenu is a starting RT. I certainly hope that I am wrong. I still have visions of Onwenu-Brown on the right side, blocking the sun as folks run behind them. I could see us trading Wynn AND trading for a LT.

IOL (3 starters)
We have Andrews and Strange. The other obvious choice to start is Onwenu. I don't see a rookie starting. We could sign or trade for an OG if Onwenu is the starting RT.
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OL BACKUPS (2)
This must include a backup center who can play a lot if Andrews is out. Both would be expected to active, unless we don't have a swing OT that can backup both RT and LT in which case an active IOL backup would need to be able to backup bot OC and OG (Ferentz has be Belichick's choice for a couple of years).
 
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captain stone

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A lot of great O-line talk in this thread. Here are my thoughts:

-I like Trent Brown at LT...I think he will be an upgrade over Wynn and will be very good there.
- Can Justin Herron play at a high level at RT, if so, Wynn will probably be gone.
-If Chasen Hines can get healthy for T/C, he is a viable option starting at RG.
-If Hines is able to play RG, we then are able to switch Onwenu to RT, which I believe he will be "All Pro" there
-Cole Strange is a plug and play starting LG from day 1. I like his nasty streak.

In the end, I believe starting our best 5 O-lineman is the way to go. In an ideal world that would be :

Brown, Strange, Andrews, Hines, Onewu with Herron, Ferentz and Steuber being top back up options.

This is going to be one of the positions that I monitor closely during TC.

I would wait as late as absolutely possible before trading Wynn, just in case of last-minute injuries...

Don't think that Herron would be an effective Right-side backup; he looks to be strictly a Left-side one...

Onwenu might be an even better RG than RT, especially if he has somebody decent next to him... I'm looking forward to seeing him there as a bigger, more powerful & less ex-pensive version of Shack Mason; besides, Hines & Steuber have to actually get on the field before we start thinking of ass-igning them lockers without a piece of tape as a nameplate.
 

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Maybe Desjarlais could challenge some of the established back ups ?
Are you asking whether he can unseat Ferentz? I don't think that there are any other establish backups for the 2 IOL backup positions.
 

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I have the same worries about TB77... however, his new deal did include a weight & playing time clause... so the team is aware of the potential of an injury issue (obviously) and have at least taken steps towards trying to manage the situation... I dont know if its structure is unusual - per the pft article:

"Via Mike Reiss of ESPN.com, Brown makes $25,000 for each Thursday during the 2022 and 2023 season that he weighs in at or under 365 pounds.

He also gets $150,000 is he checks in at 385 or less on the first day of the offseason program. He gets $75,000 for being 375 or less on June 1. He gets $75,000 for being 365 or less on July 16. It adds up to $750,000 per year, over the next two seasons.

Brown also has major playing-time incentives. He gets $500,000 for participating in 65 percent of the team’s offensive snaps. He gets another $500,000 at 70 percent. He gets another $750,000 for 75 percent, another $750,000 for 80 percent, another $750,000 for 85 percent, and another $750,000 for 90 percent. He gets another $500,000 for 95 percent or making it to the Pro Bowl on the original ballot."

That's a lot of money tied to weight & playing time incentives... hope it helps keep him on the field

I'd love to make $25,000 every Thursday that I made my weight target. Alas, without that kind of incentive, I'm heavier than I want to be.
 

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I have the same worries about TB77... however, his new deal did include a weight & playing time clause... so the team is aware of the potential of an injury issue (obviously) and have at least taken steps towards trying to manage the situation... I dont know if its structure is unusual - per the pft article:

"Via Mike Reiss of ESPN.com, Brown makes $25,000 for each Thursday during the 2022 and 2023 season that he weighs in at or under 365 pounds.

He also gets $150,000 is he checks in at 385 or less on the first day of the offseason program. He gets $75,000 for being 375 or less on June 1. He gets $75,000 for being 365 or less on July 16. It adds up to $750,000 per year, over the next two seasons.

Brown also has major playing-time incentives. He gets $500,000 for participating in 65 percent of the team’s offensive snaps. He gets another $500,000 at 70 percent. He gets another $750,000 for 75 percent, another $750,000 for 80 percent, another $750,000 for 85 percent, and another $750,000 for 90 percent. He gets another $500,000 for 95 percent or making it to the Pro Bowl on the original ballot."

That's a lot of money tied to weight & playing time incentives... hope it helps keep him on the field

Brown is gonna be absolutely svelte by opening day. He’s got a good start already!

Trent Brown says he’s down to 370 pounds, gives thoughts on weight clauses in contracts
 

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I would wait as late as absolutely possible before trading Wynn, just in case of last-minute injuries...

Don't think that Herron would be an effective Right-side backup; he looks to be strictly a Left-side one...

Onwenu might be an even better RG than RT, especially if he has somebody decent next to him... I'm looking forward to seeing him there as a bigger, more powerful & less ex-pensive version of Shack Mason; besides, Hines & Steuber have to actually get on the field before we start thinking of ass-igning them lockers without a piece of tape as a nameplate.

I really hope he doesn't but I think Wynn is going to get hurt at RT before the season starts.

Yes Herron and Cajuste are better at LT...they should never be at RT...agree.

I agree about Onwenu...he could be really good at RG.
 

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I really hope he doesn't but I think Wynn is going to get hurt at RT before the season starts.

Yes Herron and Cajuste are better at LT...they should never be at RT...agree.

I agree about Onwenu...he could be really good at RG.

What have you seen from onwenu previously that makes you think he should be good at right guard?
 

Scotty

In the Starting Line-Up
Are you asking whether he can unseat Ferentz? I don't think that there are any other establish backups for the 2 IOL backup positions.
It was just a general comment in that Desjarlais has not been mentioned or forgotten about in the posts above as potentially being a back up. I believe he played mostly at left guard in the CFL.
 

captain stone

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I thought that after Keith Ismael was taken at 156 during the 2020 draft, Williams was right up there as the best available C/G along with Nick Harris, Jake Hanson & Calvin Throckmorton... Still could've had him with the pick that Bill threw-away on Dusty Woody, so it's only proper that he signs him now...

PLEEEEEEEEEZE Mr Williams, help rid us of the blight known as Thanksdad, now & forever Amen.
 
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