NFL News Belichick not voted into the HOF

[Koma]

Stanley Morgan deserves entry into the Hall of Fame more than LC Greenwood.

Unfortunately, one of the HOF's by-laws is "When you can elect a Steelers player, you have to do it."

 

[captain stone]

This is moronic. Normally I’d say Brady gets 50/50 votes but he might miss the first year.

If Brady isn't a Unanimous 1st-ballot HOFer, then the Entire Known Universe will finally understand: the Hateriot is Real; and it is Deep...

 

[QuantumMechanic]

If Belichick wanted to trade Brady, then he shouldn't have extended him in 2016. That extension meant a trade would've led to a ruinous cap hit in 2017. [And that's setting aside the fact that I'm virtually sure it would've led to literal riots in Massachusetts.]

Yep. The moment that extension happened was the moment where the decision to ditch JG was ultimately made.

I’d love to know — and we’ll probably never find out — if BB did that extension of his own free will or if Brady did a Bledsoe and got Kraft to order it.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I’d love to know — and we’ll probably never find out — if BB did that extension of his own free will or if Brady did a Bledsoe and got Kraft to order it.

It would not matter if someone told a first hand story to answer your question. Posters would still post wild conspiracy stories opposing the explanation given.

John Lynch gave a detailed description of his discussions with BB, and years later, for no reason, posters ignore the story and post wild conspiracies.

 

[KCSVEN]

He had just won the SB coming back from down 28-3. Yeah logic says trade the bum.



There are ZERO credible reports that BB wanted to trade Brady. ZERO. To claim there are is a lie.

You think that it’s odd to draft a QB when your QB is 37? You think that when you do that you decide your QB is done in 3 years and ignite his play? You just put an expiration date on him, SB wins or not?



Brady kept JAG as long as he could as injury insurance.
AND HE TRADED HIM.


You are 100% full of crap.

I'm shocked you don't have reading comprehension or analyze objectively, absolutely shocking...not.. I said he wasn't trading Brady during the 2017 season You 100% agree with means then say I'm full of crap, so you are full of crap.
BB was never going to let Brady walk before he was done.... oh wait, he did in 2020. Brady played an entire TWO whole seasons after that before BB let him walk yet Brady had 3 more good year sin him after that.
To think he wouldn't have traded him when he says better to be too early than too late moving on from an aging QB when he had a successor in place is just plain ignorant.

BB told Lynch he was not trading Jimmy G and he was off limits, until the day he traded him. Up until then there was ZERO evidence BB wanted to trade Jimmy G.

 

[upstater1]

I'm shocked you don't have reading comprehension or analyze objectively, absolutely shocking...not.. I said he wasn't trading Brady during the 2017 season You 100% agree with means then say I'm full of crap, so you are full of crap.
BB was never going to let Brady walk before he was done.... oh wait, he did in 2020. Brady played an entire TWO whole seasons after that before BB let him walk yet Brady had 3 more good year sin him after that.
To think he wouldn't have traded him when he says better to be too early than too late moving on from an aging QB when he had a successor in place is just plain ignorant.

BB told Lynch he was not trading Jimmy G and he was off limits, until the day he traded him. Up until then there was ZERO evidence BB wanted to trade Jimmy G.

You ignore the fact that Lynch said Belichick laughed at him in those same discussions when he wanted Brady.

2017 and 2020 are 3 years apart. That's a HUGE difference. Can't believe you don't understand that.

AND Belichick did not even discuss Jimmy G in the second conversation with Lynch. They ended the call on Brady and hours later Belichick called back.

There are many reasons why 2020 is an entirely different scenario than 2017. For one, Brady was 2 or 43 years old and the team was old and lacking talent (as 2019 showed). Two, the salary cap hit was dire. The whole franchise had to pay for the many years of success. Belichick clearly saw a rebuild was in order. Not to mention the fact that Brady was on our rivals' boat trying to join them. Amazes me the Dolphins got hit so lightly on an egregious tampering charge.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm shocked you don't have reading comprehension or analyze objectively, absolutely shocking...not.. I said he wasn't trading Brady during the 2017 season You 100% agree with means then say I'm full of crap, so you are full of crap.
BB was never going to let Brady walk before he was done.... oh wait, he did in 2020. Brady played an entire TWO whole seasons after that before BB let him walk yet Brady had 3 more good year sin him after that.
To think he wouldn't have traded him when he says better to be too early than too late moving on from an aging QB when he had a successor in place is just plain ignorant.

BB told Lynch he was not trading Jimmy G and he was off limits, until the day he traded him. Up until then there was ZERO evidence BB wanted to trade Jimmy G.

He made the trade in 2017. He couldn’t wait until 2018 if your hairbrained idea had any validity because JAG was a FA. Just another FACT that refutes your made up story.

BB didn’t LET Brady walk. Kraft signed him to a contract that allowed him to. Brady chose to walk.

BB wasn’t trading JAG until the trade deadline because he had an old QB and needed injury insurance for his SB team for as long as he could have it. If Brady were injured JAG would not have been traded and would have become a free agent.

There is simply no way BB traded Brady, you are a moron if you think that was happening. Brady was playing as well as ever.

Belichick would move on from players a year early rather than a year late because it smart. For that to be “proof” of your insane position he would have had to do it with EVERY player, which isn’t even close to true. There are very few examples of him actually doing that. A catchphrase isn’t proof. In fact, BB brought in more aging veterans than anyone.

Your mission to tarnish the legacy is just flat out ridiculous.

 

[Ring 6]

Yep. The moment that extension happened was the moment where the decision to ditch JG was ultimately made.

I’d love to know — and we’ll probably never find out — if BB did that extension of his own free will or if Brady did a Bledsoe and got Kraft to order it.

Kraft himself says he did it.

 

[1960Pats]

Thank you for your considerate responses. Some people believe that Kennedy was killed by the CIA, the Pentagon was hit by a Missile, and we did not land on Mars.
This is my conspiracy theory and I am embracing it with absolutely no proof.

One of Ike's best decisions after he found out about the concentration camps at the end of WWII, was to force the locals to go through the camps and for the press to take plenty of pictures. Ike was worried that some would argue that it didn't happen.

 

[KCSVEN]

Your mission to tarnish the legacy is just flat out ridiculous.

Your argument makes no sense so let's move on from the rest.
Tarnish legacy? What are you talking about? Trading Brady for 3 first round picks could have possibly led to them contending for another decade vs the 1 year of contention and 6 years of downhill, so BB didn't think about that?
BB had to have considered it.
Not tarnishing his legacy at all, he's the greatest coach of All time, though the game passed him by in the end. He was also among the greatest GM's of all time but his inability to adjust as a coach and GM toward the end was his downfall. Doesn't erase the decades of greatness before that. He could be first ballot HOF as a GM alone, never mind as a coach.

 

[1960Pats]

Bud Grant is in the HoF…

This is the problem with all Halls of Fame. Put a Bud Grant or a Tony Dungy in there and the door opens up for more poor selections and many more unworthy candidates.

Meanwhile, anyone with a Pats logo need not apply.

 

[1960Pats]

Anyone know why the voting rules were changed and who pushed for it?

It's almost like they changed the rules so they could keep Bill out.

 

[KCSVEN]

You ignore the fact that Lynch said Belichick laughed at him in those same discussions when he wanted Brady.

2017 and 2020 are 3 years apart. That's a HUGE difference. Can't believe you don't understand that.

AND Belichick did not even discuss Jimmy G in the second conversation with Lynch. They ended the call on Brady and hours later Belichick called back.

There are many reasons why 2020 is an entirely different scenario than 2017. For one, Brady was 2 or 43 years old and the team was old and lacking talent (as 2019 showed). Two, the salary cap hit was dire. The whole franchise had to pay for the many years of success. Belichick clearly saw a rebuild was in order. Not to mention the fact that Brady was on our rivals' boat trying to join them. Amazes me the Dolphins got hit so lightly on an egregious tampering charge.

I am NOT ignoring what Lynch said in April 2017 which is when he was told Brady and Jimmy G were not going to be traded. If what he said in April 2017 was the be all end all then Jimmy G is not traded either.
BB did not even consider the idea of trading Brady and keeping Jimmy G who he believed, per Lynch, was special and BB assumed would be around long past Brady?

Kraft was never going to Ok that. BB figured that out pretty quickly, but I find it hard to believe he didn't think about whether it might be the best thing long term. Maybe he didn't even think about it but seems like with his history he would have thought about it.

"Bill, beyond thinking this kid was a special football player, thought he was a special person," Lynch said recently, "And he just said, 'You're gonna love the player, guys respond to him.' I didn't know what that meant. You think you know, but (we saw) that right away, even when he wasn't playing."

 

[Gumby]

Stanley Morgan & Rodney Harrison deserves entry into the Hall of Fame more than LC Greenwood.

FIFY

 

[Gumby]

Anyone know why the voting rules were changed and who pushed for it?

It's almost like they changed the rules so they could keep Bill out.

Generally I ascribe anything associated w NYJFL decisions affecting Patriots to Malice.
In this case I truly think it relates more strongly to their 2d strongest skill set: Ineptitude.

They had changed coach years from 3 to 5 a couple years ago, then swung the pendulum the other way they thought they would be smart & reset to 1. instead they just pissed off a bunch of voters and gave them a reason to punt people.

I suspect If they had gone back to 3, I think RKK might have got in now & then BB & TB in first year eligibility. But who knows, so long they have as VOTERS: HOF coaches who did NOTHING for the game, HOF GMs who NEVER WON A SB, and WRITERS who don’t even write since>5 years, but when they do they plagiarize…. well this is what you get.

 

[upstater1]

I am NOT ignoring what Lynch said in April 2017 which is when he was told Brady and Jimmy G were not going to be traded. If what he said in April 2017 was the be all end all then Jimmy G is not traded either.
BB did not even consider the idea of trading Brady and keeping Jimmy G who he believed, per Lynch, was special and BB assumed would be around long past Brady?

Kraft was never going to Ok that. BB figured that out pretty quickly, but I find it hard to believe he didn't think about whether it might be the best thing long term. Maybe he didn't even think about it but seems like with his history he would have thought about it.

"Bill, beyond thinking this kid was a special football player, thought he was a special person," Lynch said recently, "And he just said, 'You're gonna love the player, guys respond to him.' I didn't know what that meant. You think you know, but (we saw) that right away, even when he wasn't playing."

I've said this over and over and over again.

It was highly proper that Belichick had a plan in place for a QB to succeed his 40 year old guy.

Belichick did what he SHOUD have been doing.

The fact that people find fault with him for planning to have a QB ready for the time when his 40 year old QB hung them up is beyond absurd.

The whole point of drafting Garoppolo when Brady was 37 is exactly the same reasoning. At Brady's age of 42, you have a plan in place.

Think about it, Steve Young was brought on to replace Joe Montana when Montana was 31! Rodgers sat behind Favre and Favre was 35!

This is just the most normal stuff, not some Belichick dastardly plan.

As for the long term, Patriot fans clung to the past and didn't understand that IF Brady stayed on the team, and especially if Belichick left, the team was going nowhere, with or without Brady, with or without Belichick.

It's hard to see it if you're watching TV but if you go to see a game live it was obvious the Patriots were toast, and I say this because the back 7 of the defense simply could not move. They are out of the TV's picture frame, but I saw McCourty and Chung laboring for 2 or 3 years before they hung them up. Hightower was slower than molasses, Collins couldn't run, and I have no clue how Van Noy has lasted another 4 years, but he too was very slow. The team was going nowhere with those players. Brady knew it and saw it too and that's why he went down to Miami.

Planning for the long term is what Belichick was doing and should have been doing.

 

[bormio]

I've said this over and over and over again.

It was highly proper that Belichick had a plan in place for a QB to succeed his 40 year old guy.

Belichick did what he SHOUD have been doing.

The fact that people find fault with him for planning to have a QB ready for the time when his 40 year old QB hung them up is beyond absurd.

The whole point of drafting Garoppolo when Brady was 37 is exactly the same reasoning. At Brady's age of 42, you have a plan in place.

Think about it, Steve Young was brought on to replace Joe Montana when Montana was 31! Rodgers sat behind Favre and Favre was 35!

This is just the most normal stuff, not some Belichick dastardly plan.

As for the long term, Patriot fans clung to the past and didn't understand that IF Brady stayed on the team, and especially if Belichick left, the team was going nowhere, with or without Brady, with or without Belichick.

It's hard to see it if you're watching TV but if you go to see a game live it was obvious the Patriots were toast, and I say this because the back 7 of the defense simply could not move. They are out of the TV's picture frame, but I saw McCourty and Chung laboring for 2 or 3 years before they hung them up. Hightower was slower than molasses, Collins couldn't run, and I have no clue how Van Noy has lasted another 4 years, but he too was very slow. The team was going nowhere with those players. Brady knew it and saw it too and that's why he went down to Miami.

Planning for the long term is what Belichick was doing and should have been doing.

Brady wanted another ring. He was not going to get it in NE. It worked out best for everyone. You could make a strong case if Brady stayed 2 more years, we likely would still be searching for our next Super Bowl appearance

 

[upstater1]

Brady wanted another ring. He was not going to get it in NE. It worked out best for everyone. You could make a strong case if Brady stayed 2 more years, we likely would still be searching for our next Super Bowl appearance

100%

 

[SVN]

 

[TommyD4207]

I admit, I'm actually surprised by this. I figured Dungy as a player would value that more than his petty ********. Couldn't have been more wrong, but considering some of the things he's done in his personal life, I shouldn't be all that surprised, in retrospect.