When will Maye get his first start?

[Ring 6]

You think we will find out if Drake — a raw QB of just 22 — is any good by putting him behind one of the worst OLs in history? And if he fails to put up good numbers under those terrible circumstances, he’s a bust? All while subjecting him to unacceptably high injury risk? That’s your plan?

We aren’t trying to find out if he is any good. We better next 4 years on the assumption he is good.

We would play him to get him experience and develop him. I expect he will have struggles at first, the numbers aren’t important, the experience and growth are. . He needs to grow and he needs to do it in live action.

Learning under fire, under duress is the best way to learn.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Breer said yesterday the target is some time in November. I say that is a very realistic guess barring an injury to Brissett. No reason to rush Maye into the line up. I don't need for the Pats to rush him so they can go 5-12 or 6-11 rather than 2-15 or 3-14.

How can you justify the other 52 players on this team that put their body on the line that the best QB isn’t playing because the coaches are scared?

Maye was ready enough that they were fine playing him if Brissett got injured week 1! This team will not survive and the coaches will not survive another month with Brissett at QB

 

[Lagaffe_07]

No. I think the Pats probably win maybe 2-3 more games at most with Maye than Brissett. The problems with this team go beyond Brissett.

It has nothing to do about wins. It has everything to do with giving Maye experience and get the growing pains out this year and actually start developing this offense slowly into something.

Because it makes no doubt in my mind that the scheme will be different when Maye plays. You’ll see a QB that will operate a lot more in the gun than Brissett. Probably more RPOs and designed run for the QB.

They are losing time running an offense that is only there because Brissett knows it. It’s holding everyone back. Having Brissett at QB is like trying to fight with your two hands tied behind your back

 

[sb1]

No. I think the Pats probably win maybe 2-3 more games at most with Maye than Brissett. The problems with this team go beyond Brissett.

No different then the last couple of seasons

 

[Rob0729]

How can you justify the other 52 players on this team that put their body on the line that the best QB isn’t playing because the coaches are scared?

Maye was ready enough that they were fine playing him if Brissett got injured week 1! This team will not survive and the coaches will not survive another month with Brissett at QB

Who said they were scared? They are working on developing Maye's skills. Breer said they are working with him in practice how to handle blitzes. That is probably the thing that Bedard said that his sources said he needed to work on and he wasn't ready. The reports are there are still basic things he is working on and still hasn't mastered.

And the other players can see in practice what they are working on things and that he is still struggling with them.

I have never argued they are holding Maye out because they are scared of him getting hurt. I have always argued they don't think he has mastered enough of the basic skills to be ready to start.

And the season is over. Why cannot people understand this? The priority of this season is to develop Maye. That takes priority over everything else. And if he isn't ready to start. Don't start him.

 

[PatsFan2]

Who said they were scared? They are working on developing Maye's skills. Breer said they are working with him in practice how to handle blitzes. That is probably the thing that Bedard said that his sources said he needed to work on and he wasn't ready. The reports are there are still basic things he is working on and still hasn't mastered.

And the other players can see in practice what they are working on things and that he is still struggling with them.

I have never argued they are holding Maye out because they are scared of him getting hurt. I have always argued they don't think he has mastered enough of the basic skills to be ready to start.

And the season is over. Why cannot people understand this? The priority of this season is to develop Maye. That takes priority over everything else. And if he isn't ready to start. Don't start him.

The #3 overall who can't handle Basic stuff that sounds a little troubling. Well good thing we have the #1 overall the next time around. Also Rob how do we know they can develop him they can't develop Five guys to hold a block. How are they going to develop a Franchise QB.

 

[Zuma]

And the season is over. Why cannot people understand this? The priority of this season is to develop Maye. That takes priority over everything else. And if he isn't ready to start. Don't start him.

This ^

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Every QB has to deal with plays where the pass block in isn’t good. Whether it’s 20% or 50%, dealing with it is what defines Qb play more than anything else. The ol is bad, not epically bad. Brady was sacked 2.9 times a game brissett has been sacked 3.4.

JB has been sacked 17 times through 5 games, and since we're talking about the OL, add in Maye's two sacks for 19 total. Brady was sacked 10 times through his first 5 games as a starter. That's 90% more sacks. And while pressures weren't really a compiled stat back then, I watched those games, and I've watched this season. It's been a horror show. There's no comparison. Night and day. It's hilarious how you "Play Drake" guys warp reality for your purpose. This line has been historically bad, and you know it.

That’s 1 every other game and at least that many are on brissett any way. Playing under adversity IS the way to learn to play well under adversity.
Spite? I was in favor of drafting him.

"On Brissett"? Suppose we could measure that objectively. Do you think a raw rookie will do better with pass rushers in the backfield all day? I don't.

This season means A LOT. It was given away as far as winning is concerned in march when the front office decided not to try to build the best roster it could. So what this season means, what its priority should be is to get the QBOTF on the field, get him experience and prepare him for next year.

He just turned 22. There is plenty of time, and I can't think of a better way to ruin a QB both physically and mentally than throwing him into this mess. Let's give him experience behind a league average line that passes the eye test.

Do you really think what’s best for Drake Mayes future is to take a year off from football? Because you are scared? Stop being a ****y.

A year off? He's on the team. He's learning the offense, playing in practice, learning how to be a pro. It's not a wasted year. As others have pointed out, many great QBs have sat out their first year or more to no detriment. So yes, I think it's best.

Are you a child? Some "tough" guy, lmao. I want Drake to have a long career. You want to throw him into the meat grinder. You can't win this argument. I don't respect you and won't read your reply.

 

[Rob0729]

It has nothing to do about wins. It has everything to do with giving Maye experience and get the growing pains out this year and actually start developing this offense slowly into something.

Because it makes no doubt in my mind that the scheme will be different when Maye plays. You’ll see a QB that will operate a lot more in the gun than Brissett. Probably more RPOs and designed run for the QB.

They are losing time running an offense that is only there because Brissett knows it. It’s holding everyone back. Having Brissett at QB is like trying to fight with your two hands tied behind your back

We agree on one thing. It is all about developing Maye. And he isn't ready yet. People were talking even before Maye was drafted that he was likely have to sit for at least a half a season to develop skills he didn't have in college. If he isn't ready, starting him could make him regress.

I point to Zach Wilson. He clearly wasn't ready to start day one and people said before he was drafted that he needed to sit and develop some basics before he should start. It was apparent right away that starting him made him regress more than progress. He might not have ever turned into even a decent QB if he sat and was properly develop. But he turned into a major bust because he was rushed into the starting line up.

And they are not losing time. Maye is under contract with the Patriots for five years with the optional fifth year. If he turns into The Franchise, he could be here for 20 years. We are already in October, what is waiting another month going to do?

 

[PatsFan2]

@archstanton543 you trust the staff too much I am losing patience you can see the incompetence people seem over their heads.

 

[TommyD4207]

The #3 overall who can't handle Basic stuff that sounds a little troubling. Well good thing we have the #1 overall the next time around. Also Rob how do we know they can develop him they can't develop Five guys to hold a block. How are they going to develop a Franchise QB.

More than a little troubling.

 

[Rob0729]

The #3 selection who can't handle Basic stuff that sounds a little troubling. Well good thing we have the #1 overall the next time around.

No it isn't. We knew this when the Pats drafted him. He has elite raw ability and athleticism. But he was a mess in terms of mechanics in college and needed to develop some skills like reading defenses and he was going to be a project. So were guys like Josh Allen, Rodgers, and Mahomes. Those guys were properly developed and turned into franchise QBs. Only Allen started year one and he was teetering on busting out before they traded for Diggs and he turned his career around.

 

[PatsFan2]

It has nothing to do about wins. It has everything to do with giving Maye experience and get the growing pains out this year and actually start developing this offense slowly into something.

Because it makes no doubt in my mind that the scheme will be different when Maye plays. You’ll see a QB that will operate a lot more in the gun than Brissett. Probably more RPOs and designed run for the QB.

They are losing time running an offense that is only there because Brissett knows it. It’s holding everyone back. Having Brissett at QB is like trying to fight with your two hands tied behind your back

Playing Brissett is like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

 

[Froob]

 

[archstanton543]

@archstanton543 you trust the staff too much I am losing patience you can see the incompetence people seem over their heads.

The team's struggles are mainly because of their lack of talent. Yes, the coaches bear some of the blame. AVP is just not a creative OC and doesn't know how to scheme this offense into success (or a reasonable facsimile). But it really comes down to the O-line being the worst in the league. I know it's a cliche to say that "games are won and lost in the trenches" but it is true. If you can't pass block in 2024, you're not going to win many games.

And it's going to take them a year or two to fix the O-line. We all knew this going into the season. Yeah, it's not fun to watch bad football but this isn't a news flash for anyone who's been following the team for the last 5 years.

 

[PatsFan2]

No it isn't. We knew this when the Pats drafted him. He has elite raw ability and athleticism. But he was a mess in terms of mechanics in college and he was going to be a project. So were guys like Josh Allen, Rodgers, and Mahomes. Those guys were properly developed and turned into franchise QBs. Only Allen started year one and he was teetering on busting out before they traded for Diggs and he turned his career around.

Well it's quite obvious our Former HC/GM would have passed he called Maye the least ready you don't expect the #3 overall to sit. I guess BB was right on this one it seemed like we Reached for Maye.

 

[Rob0729]

More than a little troubling.

Not at all. The Pats knew this when they drafted him. The Vikings knew this when they tried to trade up for him (they always planned to start Darnold until he was ready). So did the Giants.

Not all the top QBs come into the league NFL ready.

 

[PatsFan2]

Mayo is trying to string the Media along.

 

[Rob0729]

Well it's quite obvious our Former HC/GM would have passed he called Maye the least ready you don't expect the #3 overall to sit. I guess BB was right on this one it seemed like we Reached for Maye.

Belichick never valued QBs. He would have traded out of the #3 spot no matter who was there.

And the plan with Mac was to sit him and let him develop. The problem was Cam sucked and Mac looked ready. But he was always the most NFL ready QB of his draft. But that Patriots' team had playoff aspirations and felt they could be a potential contender.

 

[TommyD4207]

Belichick never valued QBs.

This is an absolutely unhinged take. Go look at the QBs under Bill Belichick with the Patriots, and go check to see how many starts they have around the league. Not to mention those who have gone on to be top-level coaches.