PostGame Thread OFFICIAL 2024 Patriots @ 49ers Postgame thread

[upstater1]

They missed on 2 kickers, spending draft picks on a position where talent can be found among the UDFAs.

They could not pass block and I backed that up with the numbers last season.

If it was all the QB then we would have seen an immediate improvement when we went from Jones to Zappe. That did not happen. Partly because the very same line with mostly the same players as this season wasn't good then either.

Bill had final say on everything. Not debatable. That was his job.

BB really left this roster a smoking crater... hard to judge the new regime right now when they have a mess to clean up.

1. There was an immediate improvement when we went from Mac to Zappe. The line started pass blocking better
2. Zappe is really bad, but better than Mac, so that improvement did not lead to wins.
3. The fact that Belichick was hamstrung from moving on from Mac created this disaster. He saw what a problem Mac was very early, and by reporter's accounts, favored signing Baker Mayfield and giving up on Mac.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yes, but that's what I'm saying. These are throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks type of maneuvers.

Ah....got ya. Yes I mean bottom of the roster guys.. as all the good OL are signed or on a contending team. The common denomination is the QB.. we've been suffering becuase we don't have a QB.. well we do just not starting

 

[Triumph]

So the answer is yes, you are lying. Gotcha. Coward.

Did you fund the videos yet?

Keep at it AJ.

 

[GaryfromTO]

One thing fans should be mightily concerned about: the OC.

I saw some things yesterday that made me think he's not up to this.

I have faith in Mayo, but I fear he has been saddled with a lose/lose situation. Who was picking the OC for this team? This offensive staff may not be up to snuff.

Case in point: early on Rham was throttled when Jacobs pulled and Tyquan downblocked.

Well, the guy Tyquan tried to cut was a 300+ pound DT.

Who designed this? Who had Jacobs leaving his spot so that Tyquan could take on a behemoth?

Are you kidding me?

That was coaching malpractice.

I'm not going to blame Mayo for this debacle since I believe the front office has put him in a very bad situation.

What did the front office/ownership do?

1. Sat in on personnel negotiations.
2. Sat in on coaching hires.
3. Oversaw a dismal draft that squandered the highest draft picks since 1993.
4. Failed in free agency.

This was a quadruple whammy that put Mayo in a very difficult spot.

It's been compounded by many serious injuries.

The Mayo hire was also a mistake too. Mayo may have been a great player and is a hell of a nice guy, but lets face it, the current Pats are a disaster. Bringing in a coach with no NFL experience to perform a mass rebuild was just another ingredient in this recipe of disaster

 

[Clonamery]

The Mayo hire was also a mistake too. Mayo may have been a great player and is a hell of a nice guy, but lets face it, the current Pats are a disaster. Bringing in a coach with no NFL experience to perform a mass rebuild was just another ingredient in this recipe of disaster

He's not the GM.

 

[dliverey44]

JB is a large portion of the ****ING problem. AVP had called some quick passes, but JB has a tendency to hold the ball too long. The OL has had a ton of injuries and was not that good to begin with, but when they have give an adequate amount of time JB doesn't throw. The defense creeps up because they know they don't need to cover over 15 yards. in every game this year the 2ndaries are much close to the LOS in the 2nd half than the 1st half.

I was very much in the Mayo AVP boat, but continuing to roll JB is disgusting, so put Maye in or trade for someone or resign Zappe. But I am very much in the Fire Mayo if JB starts against Miami, or nothing is done to address the QB position. Sure, at the beginning of the year JB might have given them the best chance to win but I have realized you can't win with JB.

Edit: Mayo has to know they can't win the JB

That fair, which part specifically, Fire Mayo, JB is a large portion of the problem or at the beginning of the year JB gave us the best shot to win? Genuinely curious

 

[signbabybrady]

Just as you are reading into things to say there is not.

Im going by what they are saying publicly already and how it ALWAYS happens that CYA people turning each other.

Maybe this week they can put a picture of a mirror on top of the hill.

Proving a negative is not the same thing

 

[Triumph]

Brissett is hardly a mystery to opposing defenses. But I'm not keen on playing Maye now, especially if Andrews is out. Leverett is barely a serviceable Center.

All the defenses know that he cant pass.

If the Pats are going to lose, at least give Maye experience. Who is learning a damn thing watching Brisset?

 

[Triumph]

The Mayo hire was also a mistake too. Mayo may have been a great player and is a hell of a nice guy, but lets face it, the current Pats are a disaster. Bringing in a coach with no NFL experience to perform a mass rebuild was just another ingredient in this recipe of disaster

Kraft should have sat Mayo until he is ready.

Give him a year on the sidelines watching some other guy coach the Pats.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

This is after you've had 4 injuries at the position. No one plans for that.

But Jonah Williams has been injured the entire season. Eluemenor, is he really better than Onwenu at right tackle?

No Eludmenor isn’t better than Onwenu, but signing him would make it more likely they could play Onwenu at guard rather than tackle which is an upgrade over Robinson.

Didn’t realize Jonah went down after about a quarter.

 

[sb1]

RaNDoM

 

[signbabybrady]

I didnt like how the network referee commentator Pererria was not available to analyze a questionable 49ers completion that hit the ground but they managed to find him in los angeles to say Polks nice catch was no good in his opinion.

Both calls looked right

 

[Thelonious]

For sure he was. Brady was too. I don’t think anyone can reach that level of success without having some selfish personality quirk. But I will say that KRAFT has been over the top with his impugning of Belichick, and it really bounced back at him. And basically everything he says now sounds like drunken horseshit, as opposed to the drunken folksiness of the old days.

I don't follow the rumors closely enough to know what Kraft did or did not do re Belichick after the firing. I hear he badmouthed Bill to the Falcons. If I were Bill, I'd probably resent that, I reckon. I fully support Robert's having fired Bill for the obvious reasons, if that matters to you. The massage parlor thing was sleazy. The Mayo hire seems more the result of personal impulse than of a responsible hiring process. And so on. I'm a fan of the team. I don't much care what the owner of the team does. Ideally, in my view, the less relevant the owner is to the team, the better. On that basis, I suppose he gets a C, but whatever. I don't care enough about the guy to conceive any sort of animus toward him. I suspect most fans feel that way, except for those who amuse themselves by calling a cheapskate, which just looks to me like sour grapes on the part of those less fortunate in life, but I suppose they may entertain themselves in whatever way they like.

 

[Ring 6]

Did you fund the videos yet?

Keep at it AJ.

Yes I spent the day watching replays of every NFL pregame show and as I expected there were ZERO that says the patriots winning this game was money in the bank. Perhaps your cat’s pregame show wasn’t filmed.

 

[Thelonious]

I think you agreed with me
You lost me at “I” lol

I agree with you. For some reason that poem popped into my head from English class decades ago.

 

[Ring 6]

He's not the GM.

It can both be true that the GM is the main culprit and the coaching hire was a bad one.

 

[Ring 6]

Proving a negative is not the same thing

I made the statement that I see signs, and listed those signs.

You made the statement that it isn’t happening, so you introduced the proving a negative issue.

To me the difference is I suspect and you are saying absolutely not.

 

[upstater1]

Both calls looked right

But that's not what Pereira was talking about. He wasnt referencing the second foot never getting down. Instead, he claimed the ball was loose and being bobbled, while the out of bounds defender touched it

 

[upstater1]

The Mayo hire was also a mistake too. Mayo may have been a great player and is a hell of a nice guy, but lets face it, the current Pats are a disaster. Bringing in a coach with no NFL experience to perform a mass rebuild was just another ingredient in this recipe of disaster

He had experience as an assistant, and as a player. Like I said, Kraft put him in a bad spot. I contend there is no way to know how good he is, given the organization he's surrounded with.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Both calls looked right

Not to me. The first one showed that the receiver used the ground to help him retain the catch (his hands weren't under the ball). There was a similar one that the Pats should have challenged earlier. But the refs didn't do the Pats any favours yesterday. (The PI against the 49ers that Olsen was so upset about was indeed PI -- the TV replay only showed the final half-second before the ball arrived, but the DB's interference had happened earlier. The Thornton "block in the back", however ...)

NOTE: Complaining about the refs (and the announcers) does NOT mean I think that the Pats were unlucky to lose!