33rd Team Ranks Patriots as #1 Roster Most in Need of Help

[Huckleberry1]

Ok. I get that. Definitely agree here... but what I'm asking you is. What if he's leaps and bounds ahead of Brissett.. meaning Drake is moving the ball, making few mistakes, taking care of the ball. And Brissette is struggling? During camp.. what would you do.?

Play Brissett. I have said it repeatedly, until the offensive line can be productive in the run game, and protect the QB consistently I don’t want Maye on the field. Whether he’s better than Brissett in camp or not I want Mayo to go with Brissett until Maye understands the offense completely, and the OL is where it needs to be. Sending him out there to run for his life, and fail executing the offense because it isn’t good enough yet, is the worst thing you can do to a young QB. Brady sat for a year behind Bledsoe and even he looked raw when he first started playing consistently. As he got more familiar with being out there his game progressed steadily, but going from a college offense to playing against pro defenses is a huge step, and there is no need at all to rush it. Have patience, let them get their new coaches, players, and systems in place. Concentrate all working properly then you see where Maye is at, whether he’s really ready, and make the decision on starting him or not.

 

[Real fan 02]

Play Brissett. I have said it repeatedly, until the offensive line can be productive in the run game, and protect the QB consistently I don’t want Maye on the field. Whether he’s better than Brissett in camp or not I want Mayo to go with Brissett until Maye understands the offense completely, and the OL is where it needs to be. Sending him out there to run for his life, and fail executing the offense because it isn’t good enough yet, is the worst thing you can do to a young QB. Brady sat for a year behind Bledsoe and even he looked raw when he first started playing consistently. As he got more familiar with being out there his game progressed steadily, but going from a college offense to playing against pro defenses is a huge step, and there is no need at all to rush it. Have patience, let them get their new coaches, players, and systems in place. Concentrate all working properly then you see where Maye is at, whether he’s really ready, and make the decision on starting him or not.

Oh I definitely understand. The o line is going to have to get settled and that's what camp is for. They have plenty of time to work this out.. the camp battles and pre season this year has far more meaning. Mayo has to walk that fine line becuase players are told competition.. if maye wins, and Brissett goes out there and is throwing picks or more of the same like last season then things will turn disastrous for the locker room. It already boiled over with last season. Drew was the entrenched starter and Brady didn't beat him out in camp. Injury as we all know it is how that happened. What I believe is organizations have alot more to work with today then 20 plus years ago as far as everything it takes to develop a player. Maye will have to put in the work.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Ok. I get that. Definitely agree here... but what I'm asking you is. What if he's leaps and bounds ahead of Brissett.. meaning Drake is moving the ball, making few mistakes, taking care of the ball. And Brissette is struggling? During camp.. what would you do.?

The reason you use that #3 pick on a potential franchise QB is because the payoff if you get it right is so high, and because it doesn’t matter how good the rest of the team is if your QB sucks. And that payoff can last over a decade. But to actually get it right takes more than just the prospect themself, you also have to put a team around them that allows them to succeed. I believe they got the QB prospect right, now they have to put an offensive line and skill players around him that will allow him to succeed. Some of the pieces are in place now, but imo they still need a few more to get to the level we want them to be at. Fortunately they will have around 100 million going into next years free agency, as well as some likely high picks the first couple of days of the Draft, and if they use both properly they should be able to put the right pieces in place to build an actual contender going forward. And with the approach Wolf is taking they should be contending for the long run, and not like the Jets and fish, who tried the short term approach, and will almost certainly fail while their window shuts.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Oh I definitely understand. The o line is going to have to get settled and that's what camp is for. They have plenty of time to work this out.. the camp battles and pre season this year has far more meaning. Mayo has to walk that fine line becuase players are told competition.. if maye wins, and Brissett goes out there and is throwing picks or more of the same like last season then things will turn disastrous for the locker room. It already boiled over with last season. Drew was the entrenched starter and Brady didn't beat him out in camp. Injury as we all know it is how that happened. What I believe is organizations have alot more to work with today then 20 plus years ago as far as everything it takes to develop a player. Maye will have to put in the work.

Camp and a 3 week pre season is nowhere near enough time to have the OL playing at the level needed to start playing Maye. Especially when they are installing a completely new offense.I want to see at least half a season of real action where the OL is playing at a high level before Maye even steps on the field, and that’s only if he understands the offense completely, and has fixed the mechanical flaws in his game, neither of which will happen in the near future. If they are playing at a high level come December, and he’s ready, then send him out there. Until then let him watch and learn, that’s why they brought Brissett in.

 

[Pape]

don't cherry pick - show the full adage:

“Players win games, coaches lose them.”

 

[Real fan 02]

don't cherry pick - show the full adage:

“Players win games, coaches lose them.”

I didn't cherry pick my man.. that came from the goat himself!..

 

[Pape]

I didn't cherry pick my man.. that came from the goat himself!..

its half the saying.

 

[Real fan 02]

Camp and a 3 week pre season is nowhere near enough time to have the OL playing at the level needed to start playing Maye. Especially when they are installing a completely new offense.I want to see at least half a season of real action where the OL is playing at a high level before Maye even steps on the field, and that’s only if he understands the offense completely, and has fixed the mechanical flaws in his game, neither of which will happen in the near future. If they are playing at a high level come December, and he’s ready, then send him out there. Until then let him watch and learn, that’s why they brought Brissett in.

Everyone even KC is starting at square one. As you know being a fan like me.. Bill used to preach you don't know what kind if team you have until the end of camp. Camp is where mettle is tested where teams are made.. the cohesion of the O line, the play calling, the red area, situational football.. on and on.. so camp is about the Roster build up. You have to take into account the injury factor as well. Brissett gets hurt say week one and Drake is QB 2.. well your in kid!

 

[Real fan 02]

its half the saying.

Oh ok I got ya!!

 

[Huckleberry1]

Everyone even KC is starting at square one. As you know being a fan like me.. Bill used to preach you don't know what kind if team you have until the end of camp. Camp is where mettle is tested where teams are made.. the cohesion of the O line, the play calling, the red area, situational football.. on and on.. so camp is about the Roster build up. You have to take into account the injury factor as well. Brissett gets hurt say week one and Drake is QB 2.. well your in kid!

Whatever. You’re right. The Patriots are just as good as the Chiefs are. Everyone is equal. The Patriots will win the Super Bowl.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Oh ok I got ya!!

Saying you agree with everyone disagreeing with you is ridiculous.

 

[Real fan 02]

Whatever. You’re right. The Patriots are just as good as the Chiefs are. Everyone is equal. The Patriots will win the Super Bowl.

Your misunderstanding my point.. but belive as you may.. you have to be prepared for all situations. I've agreed with you did you take notice?

 

[Real fan 02]

Saying you agree with everyone disagreeing with you is ridiculous.

Trying to be overbearing with your opinion is a bit obnoxious.. but hey it's a forum.. I can agree with your post and say my opinions as well... nothing ridiculous about that..

 

[Huckleberry1]

Trying to be overbearing with your opinion is a bit obnoxious.. but hey it's a forum.. I can agree with your post and say my opinions as well... nothing ridiculous about that..

There is nothing overbearing about saying the Patriots aren’t in a position to contend this season, that’s known as realistic.

 

[Real fan 02]

There is nothing overbearing about saying the Patriots aren’t in a position to contend this season, that’s known as realistic.

Your right. Seriously you are. I was just adding my opinion that's all. I didn't want you think I was trying to be a hardo.. I want the organization to develop Drake correctly and play whenever he's ready. The hope is we can just be steady at the QB position, looking watchable on offense and grown the players!

 

[Huckleberry1]

Your misunderstanding my point.. but belive as you may.. you have to be prepared for all situations. I've agreed with you did you take notice?

But we don’t agree, nor do the other people responding and clearly disagreeing with you. You are trying to have it every way, and trying to claim they are all at the same starting point is absurd. The Chiefs have a dynasty that is all running in the same page, and the Patriots had one of the worst team’s in football last year and are at the start of a big rebuild.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Your right. Seriously you are. I was just adding my opinion that's all. I didn't want you think I was trying to be a hardo.. I want the organization to develop Drake correctly and play whenever he's ready. The hope is we can just be steady at the QB position, looking watchable on offense and grown the players!

Look, I like the optimism, but there has to be some realism to go with it. Building a championship team is a big undertaking, and they are just at the beginning of that process, with many correct steps to go to reach that goal. Trying to force it and “ win now,” is not the way to go about that process.

 

[Steve102]

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I'm inclined like a lot of others here to pump the brakes on worst roster in the league. Let's see how all this shakes out. I am really of the camp that we will see a marked improvement. Brissett and Maye are better than Mac. Gonzo is a year older. I really want to see what Keion White does year two. Polk and Baker should proved needed juice. The Dysfunctional Home show that was 2023 is over. Let's just...

 

[TheRainMaker]

You're overrating coaching. They'll be fine once they have enough solid players. They've already much better at QB.

Bill Belichick is arguably the GOAT HC, but he had 4 wins last year and it was the 4th year in a row of steadily declining win totals.

Bruce Ariens was mocked here endlessly and then won a SB with players that left here.

The influence of players over coaches really doesn't get any plainer to see than that.

They need both. What happened the following year after the Buccaneers won the Super Bowl? While they had injuries, the coaching was clearly inferior. Troy Aikman even said it himself that after Jimmy Johnson left, the coaching was a problem and their eventual downfall after the 1995 season. Switzer was canned two years after winning a Super Bowl. Mike McCarthy wasn’t the greatest coach for Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. It got so bad in the later years that Greg Jennings said opposing players came up to him and asked why they kept running the same play over and over again?

BA, correct me if I'm wrong, brought the Cardinals to the Superbowl... So, what happened when he left?

That was Ken Wisenhut in 2008. I totally forgot about that guy. Two former Steelers offensive coordinators with Cowher/Tomlin staff were the HC of the Arizona Cardinals.

 

[Real fan 02]

Whatever. You’re right. The Patriots are just as good as the Chiefs are. Everyone is equal. The Patriots will win the Super Bowl.

But we don’t agree, nor do the other people responding and clearly disagreeing with you. You are trying to have it every way, and trying to claim they are all at the same starting point is absurd. The Chiefs have a dynasty that is all running in the same page, and the Patriots had one of the worst team’s in football last year and are at the start of a big rebuild.

Look, I like the optimism, but there has to be some realism to go with it. Building a championship team is a big undertaking, and they are just at the beginning of that process, with many correct steps to go to reach that goal. Trying to force it and “ win now,” is not the way to go about that process.

I get caught up in my own optimism sometimes.. I guess I was just looking at it differently, and liked the fact we have a young future star in Drake. But to your point yes, taking the time to build up the team especially the o line is all a process. To clarify my post I was just referring to the team building aspect of roster building and cohesion during training camp. That's all.