Im a big no on lamar jackson...

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

The only way this team is going to compete seriously for a Super Bowl, Anytime in the next five years is with a dynamic running quarterback, like Lamar Jackson. This would allow them to keep quarterbacks like Mahomes,Tua, Rodgers. Allen, Burrows and Herbert off the field via extended time of possesion. In combination with a robust running game and stifling defense it would vault the pats back into serious contention. For those who say no to Lamar for the patriots or they don’t like Lamar, I would simply say hope you will enjoy being at best a middle of the pack AFC team for the next five years minimum.
A conventional passing and running attack with a mediocre qb will not get it done in the current hyper competitive AFC.
A differentiated offense is needed. If not Lamar, find the next Hurts in the draft.

 

[Joker]

The only way this team is going to compete seriously for a Super Bowl. Anytime in the next five years is with the dynamic running quarterback, like Lamar Jackson. This would allow them to keep quarterbacks like Mahomes,Tua, Rodgers. Burrows and Herbert off the field. In combination with a robust running game and stifling defense it would vault the pats back into serious contention. For those who say no to Lamar for the patriots or they don’t like Lamar, I would simply say hope you will enjoy being at best a middle of the pack AFC team for the next five years minimum.

WTF does that have to do with Lamary? are you seriously saying if the Pats don't sign Lamary they'll be average for the next 5+ seasons? This love of your NFL life didn't even PLAY 10 games last season...and YOU want to give him 250 million guaranteed? Mind boggling...

 

[Wozzy]

The only way this team is going to compete seriously for a Super Bowl, Anytime in the next five years is with a dynamic running quarterback, like Lamar Jackson. This would allow them to keep quarterbacks like Mahomes,Tua, Rodgers. Allen, Burrows and Herbert off the field via extended time of possesion. In combination with a robust running game and stifling defense it would vault the pats back into serious contention. For those who say no to Lamar for the patriots or they don’t like Lamar, I would simply say hope you will enjoy being at best a middle of the pack AFC team for the next five years minimum.
A conventional passing and running attack with a mediocre qb will not get it done in the current hyper competitive AFC.
A differentiated offense is needed. If not Lamar, find the next Hurts in the draft.

LOL... is this ^ sarcasm?

He has one playoff win in his entire career.

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

WTF does that have to do with Lamary? are you seriously saying if the Pats don't sign Lamary they'll be average for the next 5+ seasons? This love of your NFL life didn't even PLAY 10 games last season...and YOU want to give him 250 million guaranteed? Mind boggling...

Not necessarily Lamar. A quarterback who can run and pose a serious running threat on every play....like Jaylen Hurts for example.
But yes, if they do not try to radically change their overall offensive strategy, I doubt they will eb able to compete with the Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, Dolphins and perhaps even the Jets if they get Rodgers.
Too many dynamic offenses and QB's in teh AFC to compete with an unimaginative and standard offensive scheme. Ravens were on the right track with Lamar.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I am a big YES- if only to see the tremendous melt down on this board. It would be like a recent Bills game day thread - all the time. That would just be fantastic: all the anti-Lamar fans all red-faced, sweaty, middle aged fans rage texting their responses. Sign me up!

 

[Joker]

I am a big YES- if only to see the tremendous melt down on this board. It would be like a recent Bills game day thread - all the time. That would just be fantastic: all the anti-Lamar fans all red-faced, sweaty, middle aged fans rage texting their responses. Sign me up!

well little weasel...keep slapping your puppet because it ain't never gonna happen...

 

[1960Pats]

Sony was OK. A million other non first round pick JAGs could have played a similar role on that SB team

Yes, it's definitely possible that other RBs could have duplicated Sony's effort but the fact is that he did contribute to a SB. It's strange to see @crawhammer knock that while at the same time crediting Jackson for winning a meaningless regular season MVP just before he choked in the playoffs.

 

[1960Pats]

I am a big YES- if only to see the tremendous melt down on this board. It would be like a recent Bills game day thread - all the time. That would just be fantastic: all the anti-Lamar fans all red-faced, sweaty, middle aged fans rage texting their responses. Sign me up!

What does age have to do with being critical of Lamar Jackson? People of all ages think he's overrated and not worth signing.

 

[1960Pats]

The only way this team is going to compete seriously for a Super Bowl, Anytime in the next five years is with a dynamic running quarterback, like Lamar Jackson. This would allow them to keep quarterbacks like Mahomes,Tua, Rodgers. Allen, Burrows and Herbert off the field via extended time of possesion. In combination with a robust running game and stifling defense it would vault the pats back into serious contention. For those who say no to Lamar for the patriots or they don’t like Lamar, I would simply say hope you will enjoy being at best a middle of the pack AFC team for the next five years minimum.
A conventional passing and running attack with a mediocre qb will not get it done in the current hyper competitive AFC.
A differentiated offense is needed. If not Lamar, find the next Hurts in the draft.

I see now. If we get Jackson then we could have the same playoff success as the Ratbirds have had with him.

The NYFL has been around for more than a century and a running QB hasn't won yet.

 

[crawhammer]

I'm certainly no IBWTer, but "Sony won a Super Bowl" isn't even in the same blah park as "Jackson won a MVP." That one takes the cake, especially since Jackson followed that up with a one and done playoff whereas Sony actually did win a SB.

Unfortunately for the Jackson fans the most important ability is his weakest. His availability.

Sony has won two Super Bowls and on both occasions his production could have been replicated by multiple other RBs. Sony is NOT a special RB in any way, shape, or form. Absolutely not worth the 1st round pick.

No other QB can replicate what Lamar produced in 2019 and it set a baseline for his ceiling... 36 passing TDs, 9.0 TD%, 113.3 passer rating, 83.0 QBR, 1206 rushing yards (NFL record), 6.9 Y/A, 7 rushing TDs.

The two takes are not the same.

Sony and Wynn have not been high quality NFL players and neither were worth 1st round selections. Lamar has been extraordinary, the best player in the league for a season, and he still has the potential for exceptionalism.

And any QB or player can get injured. Mac missed time this season. Stafford, Dak, Murray, Tua, Hurts, Garoppolo, and Purdy. Most with more serious injuries than Lamar, who has never suffered a serious injury. He's 26, he's healthy, he's a dynamic football player.

Yes, it's definitely possible that other RBs could have duplicated Sony's effort but the fact is that he did contribute to a SB. It's strange to see @crawhammer knock that while at the same time crediting Jackson for winning a meaningless regular season MVP just before he choked in the playoffs.

Meaningless regular season MVP???? ************ I rag on Mac for his fake 7th alternate pro bowl selection in 2021 and I get killed for it. Now I'm hearing a league MVP award is meaningless for another QB. lol I'll remember that if Mac ever wins something like FedEx Air Player of the Week.

And Lamar "choked" with a postseason record 508 combined yards. Ok.

 

[crawhammer]

He was healthy when he sat out a playoff game too

What's your point? He's not a tremendous athlete with an extraordinarily high ceiling as an NFL player? From the perspective of wanting him on my team for 2023, what he did last season with another team is unimportant.

 

[crawhammer]

...which is no guarantee he'll last the season. Again.

That's not guaranteed for any player. I mentioned the QBs who got hurt last season, many worse than Lamar and some won't even be ready for the start of 2023. Lamar will be a 100% for the start of 2023. He just needs a team with an at least functional supporting cast.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's not guaranteed for any player. I mentioned the QBs who got hurt last season, many worse than Lamar and some won't even be ready for the start of 2023. Lamar will be a 100% for the start of 2023. He just needs a team with an at least functional supporting cast.

At 100% Lamar is a very good QB.

 

[Steve102]

I see now. If we get Jackson then we could have the same playoff success as the Ratbirds have had with him.

The NYFL has been around for more than a century and a running QB hasn't won yet.

This.

Mobil and athletic? Yup, I am in. A true running QB? In the end, none of these guys have won a SB.

 

[Le Numéro Douze]

Not necessarily Lamar. A quarterback who can run and pose a serious running threat on every play....like Jaylen Hurts for example.
But yes, if they do not try to radically change their overall offensive strategy, I doubt they will eb able to compete with the Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, Dolphins and perhaps even the Jets if they get Rodgers.
Too many dynamic offenses and QB's in teh AFC to compete with an unimaginative and standard offensive scheme. Ravens were on the right track with Lamar.

Meh, you can achieve the same with a pocket passer and a good running game.

We did it during our last SB run.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This.

Mobil and athletic? Yup, I am in. A true running QB? In the end, none of these guys have won a SB.

Whether they run 130-160 times a year like LJ, Hurts, Allen, Danny Jones or Fields it comes down to the QB being able to sit in the pocket and make plays in the passing game when they have to.

Hurts came damn close. If he doesn't fumble and his D doesn't turtle he gets it done. The reason is because he made plays in the passing game when he had to.

 

[crawhammer]

This.

Mobil and athletic? Yup, I am in. A true running QB? In the end, none of these guys have won a SB.

Hurts got robbed. The refs denied a last opportunity in that game. The way he was playing that game was going into OT at least.

Only two running / dual threat QBs will have a chance at a Super Bowl next season: Allen and Hurts. I'd add Jackson if he got traded to a better situation, although I would still give Baltimore a moderate chance with Jackson. The Chicago Bears have had a very productive offseason so far and they should be one of the most improved teams in the NFL next season, this is great news for Fields who has a very bright future.

 

[crawhammer]

Hurts came damn close. If he doesn't fumble and his D doesn't turtle he gets it done. The reason is because he made plays in the passing game when he had to.

That GD fumble ruined what was an otherwise a perfect game for Hurts. Don't forget his 3 rushing TDs (and 70 rushing yards). Refs screwed him in the end.

 

[Steve102]

Hurts got robbed. The refs denied a last opportunity in that game. The way he was playing that game was going into OT at least.

Only two running / dual threat QBs will have a chance at a Super Bowl next season: Allen and Hurts. I'd add Jackson if he got traded to a better situation, although I would still give Baltimore a moderate chance with Jackson. The Chicago Bears have had a very productive offseason so far and they should be one of the most improved teams in the NFL next season, this is great news for Fields who has a very bright future.

I am very much wait and see on Fields. I know you are a fan, but I am a little more tempered in my enthusiasm. Like Mac, this is a big year for him. I am not sold on the running QB thing just yet. There's something to be said about running the offense, taking what the D gives you and making plays when needed, much like that other guy you love to write about.

Whether they run 130-160 times a year like LJ, Hurts, Allen, Danny Jones or Fields it comes down to the QB being able to sit in the pocket and make plays in the passing game when they have to.

Hurts came damn close. If he doesn't fumble and his D doesn't turtle he gets it done. The reason is because he made plays in the passing game when he had to.

That GD fumble ruined what was an otherwise a perfect game for Hurts. Don't forget his 3 rushing TDs (and 70 rushing yards). Refs screwed him in the end.

Hurts was almost the first one in the history of the league, as @1960Pats pointed out already.

 

[Ring 6]

What's your point? He's not a tremendous athlete with an extraordinarily high ceiling as an NFL player? From the perspective of wanting him on my team for 2023, what he did last season with another team is unimportant.

Abandoning his teammates doesn’t matter to you? Imagine how he will be after he gets his big payday. I think those things matter, and 1 career playoff win in 5 years speaks louder to me than “tremendous athlete”