Im a big no on lamar jackson...

[Tunescribe]

The honest answer is YES. But you're not going to get that from IBWTers. BB passed up on Lamar twice for players that flamed out in short order. "Sony won a Super Bowl" blah blah blah... he and 50 other RBs could have replicated his productions.

No true blue fan of Mac is going to answer that question honestly either. Lamar's an awesome football player. Can he improve as a passer? Of course, but he led the NFL with 36 TDs and a phenomenal 9.0 TD percentage. So he's capable. And he's not had above average WRs in his career either.

The other (unfair) knock on Lamar is his postseason record despite a 500-yard performance. He's only 26, he'll have many more chances to improve on his postseason record.

His injury history is a concern but he's healthy right now and should be 100% for the 2023 season. Lamar's upside and impact is well worth the risk.

I doubt Mac has many "true blue" fans around here, but plenty of us want to see what he possibly can do toward making that happen. Anyone who claims they already know is just guessing. Signing Lamar would mean overhauling the offense to suit his skill set, foregoing the draft of two potential starters and giving up on Mac. Also, it could require bleeding more talent to accommodate his cap hit. All for a running QB who already has missed time getting injured running the ball and likely will again, is an average passer and not the sharpest knife in the drawer. High risk, POSSIBLY short-term high reward, tremendously expensive in more ways than one. No thanks.

 

[Toofy]

I doubt Mac has many "true blue" fans around here, but plenty of us want to see what he possibly can do toward making that happen. Anyone who claims they already know is just guessing. Signing Lamar would mean overhauling the offense to suit his skill set, foregoing the draft of two potential starters and giving up on Mac. Also, it could require bleeding more talent to accommodate his cap hit. All for a running QB who already has missed time getting injured running the ball and likely will again, is an average passer and not the sharpest knife in the drawer. High risk, POSSIBLY short-term high reward, tremendously expensive in more ways than one. No thanks.

Giving 3 first round picks ( including Mac ) + signing for 45 million dollars which means we cut 3 starters and be able to reach post season . And if he gets injured we are toast . On top of that change complete game-plan to suit his running style... Please spare us the trouble... We saw how cam deteriorated and Russel Wilson's albatross contract or deshaun Watson not yet Kickstarter contract. None of these free agent acquisitions have worked unless team is fully loaded on both sides of ball ( Tampa and Rams ) . We are not there yet .

Bill does have a ego and I am sure he would want to prove a point with Mac by rebuilding the team into contention. Last year was a huge gamble that backfired. This season looks okay so far . We just need some luck to draft an above average LT and corner in the draft and we will be cooking once again !!! Go pats

 

[Jlaff]

That and he is a major head case
Different point of views but I believe he Quit on his team
No Thanks. I’ll judge Mac after this year. BB did him bad last year

My favorite thing about Mac last year was that he didn't quit on the team when he was benched in Chicago. Guy was the happiest looking player on the team when Zappe led scoring drives. And it looked sincere.

 

[RobertWeathers]

and health but spot on

Yea the $ and the health go hand-in-hand.

If LJ was playing 16-17 games a year he would have been signed already.

If you look at history, giving "running" QBs big money, guaranteed deals doesn't work out long-term.

 

[Vindicate]

Our offense isn't really set up to Lamar's strengths. We also have two tight-ends who aren't known for blocking. If we even got Lamar, could we pivot our personell effectively to that kind of offense?

 

[Tunescribe]

Our offense isn't really set up to Lamar's strengths. We also have two tight-ends who aren't known for blocking. If we even got Lamar, could we pivot our personell effectively to that kind of offense?

No. Those wanting Jackson on the Patriots = masturbatory fantasy.

 

[Jangles]

Not sure why we’d be in the market for a high priced running back anyway

 

[Joker]

Lamar Jackson’s Wonderlic score is lower than that of the typical janitor.

If scientific studies are to be believed, however, quantifiable brainpower will have little bearing on his future in professional football.

The University of Louisville’s Heisman Trophy winner reportedly scored a 13 (out of 50) on the Wonderlic Personnel Test administered at the National Football League’s Scouting Combine. And though that score would be alarmingly low for a chemist or an engineer, numerous studies have found no connection between the test and the ability to complete passes.[/B]

Like I've been saying for years now, Lamary can't spell cat. You actually think the current management of the NEP will pay this IDIOT 40 million plus a season ?...guaranteed?....

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

It would take huge cajones which I doubt Kraft has AND he would piss off all of his owner buddies....BUT Lamar Jackson would instantly make the Patriots serious Super Bowl contenders and bring back a level of excitement that fans would love.
What would it take, probably the first rounder this year and next and Mac. Absolutely worth it. 45 million a year for 4 years all guaranteed...hell yes.
No risk, no gain. I am amazed at all the naysayers on here.
I do not care what his wonderlic score is. The guy is unique and would get even better with coaching of BoB and BB.

Sadly it won't happen though...it takes balls

 

[BennyBledsoe]

A running QB wears down fast because they CAN'T take plays off as the QB. If they don't have the passing skills to compensate for loss of speed/agility/quickness, they will almost instantly lose their value once the passing windows their running skills opened.... close.

Guys like Elway, Rodgers that can ALSO scramble are ideal. If you're drafting/signing a QB only because of his great running skills, you better have a team that is poised to win it all right now.

Jackson is already starting to show signs of breaking down.

 

[Patjew]

No. Those wanting Jackson on the Patriots = masturbatory fantasy.

Is there another kind of fantasy?

 

[Tunescribe]

Is there another kind of fantasy?

I'd better let your therapist answer that question.

 

[1960Pats]

That and he is a major head case
Different point of views but I believe he Quit on his team
No Thanks. I’ll judge Mac after this year. BB did him bad last year

Jackson has made and will probably make more cash but he lost some this time with the way he (and his mom?) handled this contract.

 

[1960Pats]

The honest answer is YES. But you're not going to get that from IBWTers. BB passed up on Lamar twice for players that flamed out in short order. "Sony won a Super Bowl" blah blah blah... he and 50 other RBs could have replicated his productions.

No true blue fan of Mac is going to answer that question honestly either. Lamar's an awesome football player. Can he improve as a passer? Of course, but he led the NFL with 36 TDs and a phenomenal 9.0 TD percentage. So he's capable. And he's not had above average WRs in his career either.

The other (unfair) knock on Lamar is his postseason record despite a 500-yard performance. He's only 26, he'll have many more chances to improve on his postseason record.

His injury history is a concern but he's healthy right now and should be 100% for the 2023 season. Lamar's upside and impact is well worth the risk.

I'm certainly no IBWTer, but "Sony won a Super Bowl" isn't even in the same blah park as "Jackson won a MVP." That one takes the cake, especially since Jackson followed that up with a one and done playoff whereas Sony actually did win a SB.

Unfortunately for the Jackson fans the most important ability is his weakest. His availability.

 

[everlong]

I like watching Lamar play, even if I root for him to lose because I loathe the rat birds. He's super entertaining and looks to be made from a video game. All that said there's no way I'd pay him that contract with the gaurantee, his injury history and the fact that he's showed up small in big games. I feel the same way about Aaron Rodgers.

Lamar is 1-3 in the playoffs and his win was against Ryan Tannehill. He was OK in that game with really his best play being a 40 something yard touchdown run. He was awful in the three loses.

Rodgers is the same. His one playoff run to the SB he beat an over hilll Michael Vick, a really young Matt Ryan, Jay Culter who at any age was a head case and Rothleisberger. Now some people will say but Ben's a two time SB champion. Ben has two quality wins vs top QBs. One was Peyton Manning and that was more about the Colts choking up a hairball. Ben had less than 200 yards passing and a pick. The other was against Kurt Warner and a 9-7 AZ team who lost to the Matt Cassel Patriots 47-7 that year. And they still needed the James Harrison pick or they would have lost that game too. He sucked vs Seattle in that SB. His defense carried him. Really it's 4 meh guys.

I will say Ben is tougher than Rodgers or Lamar.

 

[Kdo5]

It would take huge cajoles, which I doubt Kaft has AND he would piss off all of his owner buddies....BUT Lamar Jackson would instantly make the Patriots serious Super Bowl contenders and bring back a level of excitement that fans would love.
What would it take, probably the first rounder this year and next and Mac. Absolutely worth it. 45 million a year for 4 years all guaranteed...hell yes.
No risk, no gain. I am amazed at all the naysayers on here.
I do not care what his wonderlic score is. The guy is unique and would get even better with coaching of BoB and BB.

Sadly it won't happen though...it takes balls

Lamar absolutely makes us a contender for several years. But of course you get people mocking him or moronic takes based on his wonderlic score as if the dude hasn’t been playing for years in the league and won an MVP.

There really shouldn’t be a question of whether we’d want Lamar as our QB, just the price of getting him.

 

[Wozzy]

Lamar absolutely makes us a contender for several years. But of course you get people mocking him or moronic takes based on his wonderlic score as if the dude hasn’t been playing for years in the league and won an MVP.

There really shouldn’t be a question of whether we’d want Lamar as our QB, just the price of getting him.

He has one playoff victory in five seasons.

He can't pass for accuracy from the pocket, something crucial in the playoffs against superior playoff defenses.

He'd make us like the Ravens for the last five years, a pretender.... not a contender.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

and health but spot on

I’d argue it’s not about the money at all but the compensation and his durability.

If healthy it’s a no brainer but that’s no guarantee

Suppose the Patriots drafted Lamar Jackson instead of Sony Michel and he was the current Pats QB, if the idea came up whether or not to resign Lamar the fans would be in an uproar about them not resigning him and letting him go, we’d be too cheap and letting a former MVP go because we wouldn’t spend the money.

 

[stinkypete]

The Lamar to Patriots talk is just ratings fodder. There is zero chance.

 

[Ring 6]

Lamar hasn't had any major injuries. He's healthy right now. He'll have zero limitations heading into next season. We saw what that looks like up close in week 3.

He was healthy when he sat out a playoff game too