Damar Hamlin Updates

[moosekill]

This horrible incident will only accelerate parents not wanting their children to play football. But I think injuries are even more prevalent in soccer.

My last school in Michigan was in the Class B state championship in 1980. Now the same team can barely field enough players to compete.

Is there a future in football?

There is no way in hell injuries are more prevalent in soccer.

 

[VectorPrime]

There is no way in hell injuries are more prevalent in soccer.

There aren’t in per capita terms but it’s simply a fact where since an order of magnitude more people on earth play competitive soccer than football that there are more instances of things like this.

 

[Betterthanmost]

So what is the best possible outcome here? Will he be back to football or is it the case of hoping for a normal healthy life without ability to play again? If latter, wondering if donations should go to him vice his charity for now.
Or too soon to tell?

 

[VectorPrime]

So what is the best possible outcome here? Will he be back to football or is it the case of hoping for a normal healthy life without ability to play again? If latter, wondering if donations should go to him vice his charity for now.
Or too soon to tell?

Being vented for this long is likely going to inflict irreparable lung damage. For a normal life it likely won’t be that impactful, but for an elite pro athlete? No way.

 

[Steve102]

I am quite sure there are AEDs on every NFL practice field with trained personnel present. Even a fair number of high schools have that now

I can tell you at our high school, either the trainer or the coaching staff brings an AED to every practice, and we are all trained to use it.

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Ian]

Being vented for this long is likely going to inflict irreparable lung damage. For a normal life it likely won’t be that impactful, but for an elite pro athlete? No way.

I'm more worried about his brain function. Given the fact they worked on him for that long, that's obviously troublesome and most reports seem to be positive on his vital signs, but none have really mentioned anything on that end yet.

I'm just hoping he can live a somewhat normal life even if he's no longer a professional athlete. He's so young, so that's really the most important thing at this point.

 

[Kasmir]

Being vented for this long is likely going to inflict irreparable lung damage. For a normal life it likely won’t be that impactful, but for an elite pro athlete? No way.

The major worry is Anoxic Encephalopathy

 

[PatsWSB47]

Being vented for this long is likely going to inflict irreparable lung damage. For a normal life it likely won’t be that impactful, but for an elite pro athlete? No way.

Hes been on it less than 2 days. Its very unlikely any lung damage he may have right right now was caused by being on a vent. Prolonged use of high concentrations of 02 isn't good though

 

[VectorPrime]

Hes been on it less than 2 days. Its very unlikely any lung damage he may have right right now was caused by being on a vent. Prolonged use of high concentrations of 02 isn't good though

Except I’m factoring in the likelihood he won’t be taken off it for a while.

 

[Steve102]

This horrible incident will only accelerate parents not wanting their children to play football. But I think injuries are even more prevalent in soccer.

My last school in Michigan was in the Class B state championship in 1980. Now the same team can barely field enough players to compete.

Is there a future in football?

I can tell you I wanted to retire from coaching immediately. Even without seeing them performing CPR on him, the look on the players faces was not something I wanted to ever see while being "entertained" watching football. As the emotions ebbed, I felt differently, but as I said yesterday, I don't turn the TV on to watch these young men die. I certainly can envision a life without football, and that's something I could not see a few years ago.

To your point, parents are certainly pulling kids in other directions. Our numbers are fairly consistent, but they are not what they could be. I think there's a combination of things going on: Other interests/sports, more couch potatoes, and less family support for the sport. Part of that is you have two working parents that are not as engaged in what the kid does after school. I think there's some concern for injuries, but not to the level that is being advertised.

Football is a lot of work. We practice starting in June with optional conditioning, August with mandatory practices, then practice right after school. The real committed kids lift as well. Maybe 90ish practices just to play 9 games that last maybe 2-3 hours. Not all the kids get in the game. The saying we use is that we do a ton of work, for only 9 games, or paydays. That doesn't include off season lifts, which they need to be doing, and I am sure they do in more "football" type towns. My point is that it's not for everyone, and with the instant gratification of today's society, many kids just don't have the family support, drive, patience, and willpower it takes to want to invest in football. This incidence with Hamlin is not so much another nail in the coffin, but just another reason or excuse to not want to play.

 

[Kasmir]

I can tell you I wanted to retire from coaching immediately. Even without seeing them performing CPR on him, the look on the players faces was not something I wanted to ever see while being "entertained" watching football. As the emotions ebbed, I felt differently, but as I said yesterday, I don't turn the TV on to watch these young men die. I certainly can envision a life without football, and that's something I could not see a few years ago.

To your point, parents are certainly pulling kids in other directions. Our numbers are fairly consistent, but they are not what they could be. I think there's a combination of things going on: Other interests/sports, more couch potatoes, and less family support for the sport. Part of that is you have two working parents that are not as engaged in what the kid does after school. I think there's some concern for injuries, but not to the level that is being advertised.

Football is a lot of work. We practice starting in June with optional conditioning, August with mandatory practices, then practice right after school. The real committed kids lift as well. Maybe 90ish practices just to play 9 games that last maybe 2-3 hours. Not all the kids get in the game. The saying we use is that we do a ton of work, for only 9 games, or paydays. That doesn't include off season lifts, which they need to be doing, and I am sure they do in more "football" type towns. My point is that it's not for everyone, and with the instant gratification of today's society, many kids just don't have the family support, drive, patience, and willpower it takes to want to invest in football. This incidence with Hamlin is not so much another nail in the coffin, but just another reason or excuse to not want to play.

Young male athletes are dropping dead from cardiac arrest all over the world in just about every sport involving high levels of exertion. The NFL had been spared this phenomenon until this incident; it's much more common in Europe for some reason. I suggest you not rush to judgement that this was a football specific injury.

 

[bormio]

Except I’m factoring in the likelihood he won’t be taken off it for a while.

Not really that big of a concern. I have had ARDS patients on ventilators for 2 weeks or more who ended up surviving with good lung function. The real worry is his heart and his brain. If he does not have a good neurological outcome, it shows the grim nature of out of hospital arrest. He had everything in place to save him.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Young male athletes are dropping dead from cardiac arrest all over the world in just about every sport involving high levels of exertion. The NFL had been spared this phenomenon until this incident; it's much more common in Europe for some reason. I suggest you not rush to judgement that this was a football specific injury.

this had nothing to do with exertion......it was all due to a blow to the chest at the exact wrong time

take the conspiracy nonsense elsewhere

 

[Steve102]

Young male athletes are dropping dead from cardiac arrest all over the world in just about every sport involving high levels of exertion. The NFL had been spared this phenomenon until this incident; it's much more common in Europe for some reason. I suggest you not rush to judgement that this was a football specific injury.

It certainly passes the eye test. I'll defer to @yukon cornelius above.

 

[h0c2000]

So what is the best possible outcome here? Will he be back to football or is it the case of hoping for a normal healthy life without ability to play again? If latter, wondering if donations should go to him vice his charity for now.
Or too soon to tell?

Best possible outcome is he returns to normal activity. As an example, The Story Behind a Positive Commotio Cordis Outcome

It's too soon to know however. For an idea, Christian Eriksen was released about a week after his heart attack on the pitch.

 

[yukon cornelius]

pronger came back to play within a few weeks......but he also woke up and began breathing on his own before CPR was even started

 

[yukon cornelius]

Best possible outcome is he returns to normal activity. As an example, The Story Behind a Positive Commotio Cordis Outcome

It's too soon to know however. For an idea, Christian Eriksen was released about a week after his heart attack on the pitch.

am i reading it right? AED restored his heart beat and he began breathing on his own?

 

[Kasmir]

this had nothing to do with exertion......it was all due to a blow to the chest at the exact wrong time

take the conspiracy nonsense elsewhere

What conspiracy? COVID has clearly increased rates of myocarditis for whatever reasons. How do you know a previously damaged heart was not involved?

Commotio Cordis is very rare in football compared to baseball and hockey. And typically doesn't have the patient getting up and walking around before the onset.

 

[Steve102]

What conspiracy? COVID has clearly increased rates of myocarditis for whatever reasons. How do you know a previously damaged heart was not involved?

Commotio Cordis is very rare in football compared to baseball and hockey. And typically doesn't have the patient getting up and walking around before the onset.

Hmmm. Where's the ignore button. Ahh, there it is.