Damar Hamlin Updates

[Ian]

Let's not have a debate about cause. Again, this thread is for updates on his condition. A little discourse is fine, but let's try and continue posting updates and keeping up with whatever current news become available.

 

[bormio]

am i reading it right? AED restored his heart beat and he began breathing on his own?

Erickson came back with a single shock. He was completely responsive after the event. And he plays for Man U and Denmark - with an implanted defibrillator

And Erickson did not experience Commotio cordis

 

[Steve102]

Let's not have a debate about cause. Again, this thread is for updates on his condition. A little discourse is fine, but let's try and continue posting updates and keeping up with whatever current news become available.

Yeah, I was the one who wanted to keep it just on updates, and I have been posting on a lot of other stuff not related to his health. I will refrain.

 

[Kasmir]

It certainly passes the eye test. I'll defer to @yukon cornelius above.

Why rush to damage the reputation of the sport? Think: has commotio cordis been a previously significant cause of death from football injury? It's either a fluke or a wrong diagnosis. We don't yet know what happened.

 

[Ian]

We don't yet know what happened.

We don't. There has been educated speculation by a fair amount of people within the medical field, which is what a lot of people are reacting to. At the same time, until we get some sort of update from his family - if they choose to allow it - maybe then we'll know. For now, let's just hope he recovers, and hopefully, everyone will continue helping to pull whatever news becomes available and posting it here.

 

[h0c2000]

Damar Hamlin incident hits close to home for Sutton family who lost sons to cardiac episodes

SUTTON, MASS. (WHDH) - As the nation watched in shock as Bills safety Damar Hamlin was rushed to the hospital after going into cardiac arrest...

whdh.com

 

[tom444]

I can tell you I wanted to retire from coaching immediately. Even without seeing them performing CPR on him, the look on the players faces was not something I wanted to ever see while being "entertained" watching football. As the emotions ebbed, I felt differently, but as I said yesterday, I don't turn the TV on to watch these young men die. I certainly can envision a life without football, and that's something I could not see a few years ago.

To your point, parents are certainly pulling kids in other directions. Our numbers are fairly consistent, but they are not what they could be. I think there's a combination of things going on: Other interests/sports, more couch potatoes, and less family support for the sport. Part of that is you have two working parents that are not as engaged in what the kid does after school. I think there's some concern for injuries, but not to the level that is being advertised.

Football is a lot of work. We practice starting in June with optional conditioning, August with mandatory practices, then practice right after school. The real committed kids lift as well. Maybe 90ish practices just to play 9 games that last maybe 2-3 hours. Not all the kids get in the game. The saying we use is that we do a ton of work, for only 9 games, or paydays. That doesn't include off season lifts, which they need to be doing, and I am sure they do in more "football" type towns. My point is that it's not for everyone, and with the instant gratification of today's society, many kids just don't have the family support, drive, patience, and willpower it takes to want to invest in football. This incidence with Hamlin is not so much another nail in the coffin, but just another reason or excuse to not want to play.

This, commotio cordis, is not a football specific injury. It's more common in baseball and happens in Lacrosse also. Anyone using this incident as a reason not to play football has already come to that decision and this gives them another excuse.

Edit to add: if this was commotio cordis

 

[203Pat]

It's nice that some of these football players are donating to Damar's Charity, but seriously, they need to be giving way more than 10K...that's chump change for them.

As soon as I saw SB's post about Brady donating I thought you might try and troll it but then I thought, no not even that doofus could be that low class. And here we are.

 

[yukon cornelius]

What conspiracy? COVID has clearly increased rates of myocarditis for whatever reasons. How do you know a previously damaged heart was not involved?

Commotio Cordis is very rare in football compared to baseball and hockey. And typically doesn't have the patient getting up and walking around before the onset.

every single instance of commotio cordis that has been talked about and even shown over the past 3 days had the EXACT occurrence.....3-6 seconds AFTER the hit, the player collapses.....watch the chris pronger video, it looks almost EXACTLY like what we saw monday night

myocarditis occurs after many types of infections, yes.....but these are pro athletes, all insured by their team, all treated as commodities in a billion dollar industry......do you not think every single one of them has undergone multiple screenings? in fact several players post COVID HAVE been held out due to myocarditis in both the NFL & college football

save the nonsense for elsewhere, seriously

 

[yukon cornelius]

Erickson came back with a single shock. He was completely responsive after the event. And he plays for Man U and Denmark - with an implanted defibrillator

And Erickson did not experience Commotio cordis

i was asking about the lacrosse goalie from the article

 

[yukon cornelius]

for reference one more time, the pronger video:

 

[203Pat]

I work at a 24 hour care facility for developmentally disabled adults. We had a food service person suffer a heart attack in her car while on break and not survive it. Nobody got to go home. Nobody got time off. When you're responsible for the care of others life has to go on.
About 6 months ago I walked into my local convenience store and heard someone say "Is he ok?" I saw one of the employees crumpled on the floor and knew I had to do CPR. It seemed like a 1/2 an hour before EMTs showed up. He didn't survive, but I knew that all along anyway. Do you think the store employees got to go home? Nope. Life has to go on. It sucks, but that's reality.

I will never understand the "it sucks for me so it should suck for you too" mentality.

 

[venecol]

The major worry is Anoxic Encephalopathy

That was an extremely depressing article.

 

[tom444]

every single instance of commotio cordis that has been talked about and even shown over the past 3 days had the EXACT occurrence.....3-6 seconds AFTER the hit, the player collapses.....watch the chris pronger video, it looks almost EXACTLY like what we saw monday night

myocarditis occurs after many types of infections, yes.....but these are pro athletes, all insured by their team, all treated as commodities in a billion dollar industry......do you not think every single one of them has undergone multiple screenings? in fact several players post COVID HAVE been held out due to myocarditis in both the NFL & college football

save the nonsense for elsewhere, seriously

I started to go through the entire thread and stopped so I'm not sure if this video has been shown.

 

[VectorPrime]

I will never understand the "it sucks for me so it should suck for you too" mentality.

Crab Bucket Mentality

 

[venecol]

Erickson came back with a single shock. He was completely responsive after the event. And he plays for Man U and Denmark - with an implanted defibrillator

And Erickson did not experience Commotio cordis

So is it a bad indicator that Hamlin never regained consciousness? It seems logical that it would be but what does the medical lit show for survival rate in those cases?

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

Ok. I don't doubt this. But I feel that you must appreciate that in a line of work where the JOB itself is based entirely around handling the literal Life and Death status of other people that yes, death kind of has to be worked around. Not to make a 1 to 1 comparison but its certainly a thing you must handle while in the military for instance. But that is a small minority of all the jobs there are. 99% of people wouldn't be expected to push through.

I don't disagree. However, there are jobs that exist where most common folk take for granted that can result in life ending fatalities. Are we going to stop using electricity if an electrician dies? You have to push through, and pray for the family. Beyond that, you can't hold the entire workplace hostage. I would love to have every death I've encountered be celebrated according to how they would have chosen to, unfortunately our reality is we have to move on. I understand how you feel. This is a grander scale than any of us have had to deal with.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It's nice that some of these football players are donating to Damar's Charity, but seriously, they need to be giving way more than 10K...that's chump change for them.

Just a reminder that most of them are already giving money to other causes they support.

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

$1000 on the table!!

We should start a Pats Fans toy drive!

 

[bormio]

So is it a bad indicator that Hamlin never regained consciousness? It seems logical that it would be but what does the medical lit show for survival rate in those cases?

Sure it wasn’t good. But it does not necessarily he won’t have good neurological function. He had prolonged CPR, likely shocked several times on the field. Fact is, some CPR is more effective than in other cases, for various reasons - some related to the provider, some to the patient. But sedated or not, doctors at 24-36 hours have a fair idea of whether the neurological recovery is likely to be shorter or longer.