OT: Dolphins Owner Steven Ross Suspended, Picks Forfeited, For Tampering With Brady, Payton

[JarOfMayo51]

Just your friendly every-two-page reminder to discuss the topic of the thread, not whether BB is better than Tom or Tom is better than BB or whether your package is the biggest or whatever, and to not personally attack other posters, or else you might get dumped.

For the record my package is massive!

 

[Bill Lee]

Starting a 2020 version of Cam Newton defines "tanking."

Fun fact: Hoyer started a game that season and did no better, yet he's still on our team.

 

[Bruins29]

Top 3 traitors of all time
1. Judas Iscariot
2. Benedict Arnold
3. Tom Brady

-- Chris Simms

 

[Guts]

Top 3 traitors of all time
1. Judas Iscariot
2. Benedict Arnold
3. Tom Brady

-- Chris Simms

Nah this guy is the worst of them all .

 

[crawhammer]

What do you think Miami was doing? Why suddenly did Brady make unBrady like comments like “I’m just an employee” or “I’m the most miserable 8-0 qb”.

Miami was recruiting Brady for future employment, they weren't interested in distracting Brady so he would flake out on the 2019 season. Ross wanted Flores to tank Miami's season so obviously New England's win/loss record was of no importance to him.

Brady clearly resented not being offered a better contract from New England, and especially when he knew 2019 would be his last, comments like "I'm just an employee" are not surprising. That comment also tells us nothing about Brady's commitment to his on field performance. The comment about being miserable was related to his dissatisfaction with the overall performance of the offense to that point in the season, he wasn't saying he was miserable because he was still wearing a Patriots uniform.

The fact remains the 2019 team cratered exactly as Brady played the worst football of his career.

By the end of the 2019 season the "top ranked" defense had been exposed as fraudulent and the offense's number two receiver was Phillip Dorsett who finished the season with a paltry 29 receptions... the team was playing bad football (just like the end of the 2020 and 2021 seasons).

Yes I was talking to you because you said it didn’t bother you because it didn’t affect the team, and obviously it affected the team.

No one other than Brady knew about his conversations with Miami. Not an issue for the team. Not an issue for Brady either. If you're looking for an excuse for why Brady's performance wasn't great then consider his injuries and the lame supporting cast.

You said the Patriots made a mistake by not extending Brady. Why? What do you think would have happened the last 2 years if he had stayed and where do you think they would be this year?

Not muddying the waters with cap talk, let's assume the team found a way to sign Brady and bring back the exact rosters of 2020 and 2021, they would have won the division both seasons. I've gone through it game by game before and Brady would have been worth multiple additional wins each season. I'd have a lot more confidence in the 2022 offense with Brady because they'd be running the same scheme and a goof like Patricia probably would not be calling plays.

What would they have done in 2020 if he stayed and they had less money and couldn’t even retain their own free agents much less improve upon the team that crawled to the end of 2019? What would 2020 have looked like with 12 mill in cap space for free agents instead of 62?
Do you think they would be closer to winning a championship today if he had stayed? Seriously? And how?

Yes I do think they would have been closer to a championship with Brady, obviously, he's the greatest player in the history of league still playing exceptional football. There are a 1000 different scenarios for maneuvering your roster and creating cap space so it's a massive can of worms not worth opening... it wouldn't lead to a consensus.

I wouldn't put it past the NFL to get back at Brady this year even if they couldn't punish him directly. I can see refs throwing random flags against the Bucs at key moments...

Is this a serious statement? Or just your own personal fantasy?

 

[Ring 6]

Miami was recruiting Brady for future employment, they weren't interested in distracting Brady so he would flake out on the 2019 season. Ross wanted Flores to tank Miami's season so obviously New England's win/loss record was of no importance to him.

Brady clearly resented not being offered a better contract from New England, and especially when he knew 2019 would be his last, comments like "I'm just an employee" are not surprising. That comment also tells us nothing about Brady's commitment to his on field performance. The comment about being miserable was related to his dissatisfaction with the overall performance of the offense to that point in the season, he wasn't saying he was miserable because he was still wearing a Patriots uniform.


By the end of the 2019 season the "top ranked" defense had been exposed as fraudulent and the offense's number two receiver was Phillip Dorsett who finished the season with a paltry 29 receptions... the team was playing bad football (just like the end of the 2020 and 2021 seasons).


No one other than Brady knew about his conversations with Miami. Not an issue for the team. Not an issue for Brady either. If you're looking for an excuse for why Brady's performance wasn't great then consider his injuries and the lame supporting cast.


Not muddying the waters with cap talk, let's assume the team found a way to sign Brady and bring back the exact rosters of 2020 and 2021, they would have won the division both seasons. I've gone through it game by game before and Brady would have been worth multiple additional wins each season. I'd have a lot more confidence in the 2022 offense with Brady because they'd be running the same scheme and a goof like Patricia probably would not be calling plays.


Yes I do think they would have been closer to a championship with Brady, obviously, he's the greatest player in the history of league still playing exceptional football. There are a 1000 different scenarios for maneuvering your roster and creating cap space so it's a massive can of worms not worth opening... it wouldn't lead to a consensus.


Is this a serious statement? Or just your own personal fantasy?

They actively worked to turn him against his team, and succeeded.

Why would Brady resent being offered 2 years and 53 million then sign fit 2 years 50 million with Tampa? That makes no sense.

How do you know that no one knew about his conspiring with Miami? You don’t.

“Not muddy the water with cap talk” means you assume he would have paid for Cam Newtons paycheck. That’s not reality.

You cannot eliminate $50 million from the coffers and “move money around”. You know that which is why you are taking the dumbass approach.

 

[NormZauchin]

Fun fact: Hoyer started a game that season and did no better, yet he's still on our team.

If Cam were willing to accept the role and the salary of third string quarterback, maybe he would still be on the team.

 

[XLIX]

Top 3 traitors of all time
1. Judas Iscariot
2. Benedict Arnold
3. Tom Brady

-- Chris Simms

Chris Simms - like so many people on this forum - has done nothing but bash Brady for years, so it’s hard to take any further bashing as anything but more of the same.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I saw Stidham throw two times in the highlights of the first game of preseason before turning it off and see why he never played in 2020.

 

[captain stone]

I saw Stidham throw two times in the highlights of the first game of preseason before turning it off and see why he never played in 2020.

He still should’ve started the final game that season vs the Jete.

 

[lancerman]

If Cam were willing to accept the role and the salary of third string quarterback, maybe he would still be on the team.

Cam's contract was dirt cheap that year

 

[crawhammer]

They actively worked to turn him against his team, and succeeded.

Like Brady's a puppet?... LOL! What you're saying IS totally ridiculous. Brady negotiated with New England for years with Brady coming out on the short end of the stick. Brady's demise was being talked up as early as 2014 (before Brady won 3 more SB MVPs). Brady openly pleaded with the press to question the Krafts about his contract during the final negotiation. After they offered him one last underwhelming contract he agreed to the one year deal with the no franchise clause. All this is what "turned him against his team" and not the subsequent conversations with Miami. Your argument entirely collapses when you consider Brady did NOT sign with Miami, so obviously he wasn't invested in working with them at that time.

Why would Brady resent being offered 2 years and 53 million then sign fit 2 years 50 million with Tampa? That makes no sense.

Makes no sense because it didn't happen that way. How much of that supposed money was guaranteed or tied to incentives? You don't have the details of that unconfirmed contract offer. We know what his final actual contracts were... incentive laden in 2018 with a supporting cast unworthy of the incentive targets and the one-year farewell deal in 2019.

“Not muddy the water with cap talk” means you assume he would have paid for Cam Newtons paycheck. That’s not reality.

You cannot eliminate $50 million from the coffers and “move money around”. You know that which is why you are taking the dumbass approach.

The team overpaid Devin McCourty heading into the 2020 season with a two-year $23 mil contract. They also inexplicably franchised Joe Thuney at a whopping $15 mil. That's already a hefty chunk of what would have been needed to retain Brady. There are always several opportunities to shuffle cap money around. The hypotheticals become too many which is why the "dumbass approach" is easier. None of these scenarios are actually happening... it's just interesting to say plug player X into team Y and speculate on the outcome. They win the division in 2020 and 2021 with Brady. By they I mean nearly every team that didn't a division in 2020 or 2021 (Jets, Jaguars, Lions and Giants excluded... probably).

 

[TommyD4207]

I saw Stidham throw two times in the highlights of the first game of preseason before turning it off and see why he never played in 2020.

He was magical on those 20 screen passes he threw

 

[sb1]

“Clearly”.

 

[Wozzy]

“Clearly”.

So they tanked, but we can't say they tanked because we have to be careful with our words...

 

[Wozzy]

They actively worked to turn him against his team, and succeeded.

Why would Brady resent being offered 2 years and 53 million then sign fit 2 years 50 million with Tampa? That makes no sense.

How do you know that no one knew about his conspiring with Miami? You don’t.

“Not muddy the water with cap talk” means you assume he would have paid for Cam Newtons paycheck. That’s not reality.

You cannot eliminate $50 million from the coffers and “move money around”. You know that which is why you are taking the dumbass approach.

Anyone saying the 2020 roster with Timmy added and without Thuney and DMC would have won the division is a delusional fanboy... they didn't win the division the season prior with all three of those guys (our best players) and the 2020 roster was substantially worse.

Oh yeah, and the massive spending spree in 2021 doesn't happen because they're not taking a down year to clear cap with a 42 year old QB on the roster. Timmy wouldn't want to play on that team, nor should he. He moved on because it was best for him, the team moved on because it was best for them. The 4 Super Bowls they played in and the 3 rings they won in the end was worth it.

Don't bother, there's no arguing with a fanboy.

 

[RobertWeathers]

“Clearly”.

God I hate that man.

 

[XLIX]

Anyone saying the 2020 roster with Timmy added and without Thuney and DMC would have won the division is a delusional fanboy... they didn't win the division the season prior with all three of those guys (our best players) and the 2020 roster was substantially worse.

Don't bother, there's no arguing with a fanboy.

Indeed. You can't imagine the level of ignorance out there amongst the Brady haters.

 

[captain stone]

God I hate that man.

Indeed… Stokoe does not have even a segment of spine in his entire body… How the **** can he sit up straight on the toilet when he takes his daily dump?

 

[Koma]

Indeed… Stokoe does not have even a segment of spine in his entire body… How the **** can he sit up straight on the toilet when he takes his daily dump?

Goodall is the dump.