OT: Dolphins Owner Steven Ross Suspended, Picks Forfeited, For Tampering With Brady, Payton

[All3Phases]

Brady was making deals with the Dolphins in Pats 2019 training camp.

He could not even wait until the season began.

Are we going to now care about Tampering of all things? Dont forget

 

[BTTA]

Many of us have idolized the guy. Many here have made him into Captain America. I have been accused by friends of having a man-crush on Brady. I said no, I want to be Tom Brady. And who wouldn't ? Multi gazillionaire, winner, supermodel wife. While he might not be the mercenary that a guy like Revis is, or a eff you pay me guy like Asante, he's not a lot different than the rest. He's 100% not like the rest of us who root for the laundry.

Brady is much more mercenary than Revis is. He just does it in a polite manner, through manipulative marketing tactics that sell people an image they'll never achieve, and then ultimately feel worse about themselves. That's what Giselle is all about and she's taught him well. Revis is at least honest and transparent about it. People fall for Brady marketing stuff and don't even know what's happened to them.

I'm a bit disappointed in Brady because he made that choice years ago, but not terribly. He just jumped in to a very strong river current. "Hate the system, not the playa" is legitimate here.

 

[Bill Lee]

By "class" I mean not putting self-interests above all else, especially when it means dishonoring commitments or placing others at risk. I agree with your last line and I also believe Tom remains the GOAT on a football field. But I think Gisele's influence has changed him considerably in recent years and not always for the better.

I think the lack of pushback on this and other posts saying similar things shows even the hard core Brady supporters have a hard time refuting this idea.

I agree with what you and others wrote, Tom is still the GOAT on the field, and owes New England exactly nothing.

At the same time it's hard to deny he did change over the years and a lot of that was due to his wife's influence.

I don't think that's a terrible thing because one is supposed to learn things from one's life partner, while some Bradyites seem to think making such admissions some how is an attack on Brady's masculinity.

Objectively speaking, she was right. It was a good time for Brady to decide he had enough here and he should look for greener pastures. Clearly NE was falling out of their window while Tampa was just entering theirs. He got more money than NE was putting on the table, moved to a nicer climate, led his team to another SB win which further enhanced his legacy, and secured the highest salary ever for a NFL TV commentator. For all we know he might be the next Terry Bradshaw or Al Michels, collecting big paychecks deep into their 70s.

As a Patriots fan this perhaps isn't the ideal way for things to end, but as above, he owes us nothing. Endings are messy, and IMO it could have been far worse. I predict in a few years both Brady and Gronk will show up for their red jackets. Time has a way of healing wounds. If they don't, oh well, we still got the trophies.

 

[Guts]

I don't think Tom was motivated but I also think he didn't have a lot to work with those last 8 or 9 games

Best post so far

 

[Ring 6]

My view is this...

Tom was looking to shoot his way out of town before the 2019 season in a very below-board way.

He clearly did not want to be here, was disillusioned with the NEP and cut corners in preparing for the season.

Did he give 100% during games? Who knows. At about the midpoint of the season AB exploded, JE and Sanu were hurt, the line was in shambles and D was starting to falter. At that point, it's reasonable to speculate Tom was truly checked out and going through the motions. If that is the case, I firmly believe Bill knew it and had no interest in retaining him.

Belichick would have retained Brady until he couldn’t stand up any more if not for the fact that he has an entire organization to run and had to account for the likelihood that age would catch up to Brady like everyone else.
Belichick never didn’t want Brady, but he had to consider the ramifications of a long term deal to a guy who was past the age ANYONE had ever been able to play the position at.
The compromise was the same thing the Saints did with Brees and Brady was offended. Hindsight isn’t available to know where a 43 year old will be in 3 years, nor is precedent.
Ultimately given the way the team performed with him in the second half of 2019, and the cap position staying on top has put them in, him leaving ended up best for Patriots. They could not have rebuilt and put a strong team together this quickly if they also paid Brady 75-90 million over those 3 years.
2020 would have been a substantial step back from 2019; it had to be because they couldn’t afford to keep their own or sign anyone new of note even without Brady, and 75% of the Free Agent influx in the rebuild of 2021 was paid for with the money they didn’t pay Brady in 20 and 21. They could have added a couple guys last year but only a small fraction of what they did (40% of the snaps on both sides of the ball were played by additions last year). So they would have suffered through 2 mediocre seasons and not be starting a rebuild around a 45 year old QB.

 

[All3Phases]

Belichick would have retained Brady until he couldn’t stand up any more if not for the fact that he has an entire organization to run and had to account for the likelihood that age would catch up to Brady like everyone else.
Belichick never didn’t want Brady, but he had to consider the ramifications of a long term deal to a guy who was past the age ANYONE had ever been able to play the position at.
The compromise was the same thing the Saints did with Brees and Brady was offended. Hindsight isn’t available to know where a 43 year old will be in 3 years, nor is precedent.
Ultimately given the way the team performed with him in the second half of 2019, and the cap position staying on top has put them in, him leaving ended up best for Patriots. They could not have rebuilt and put a strong team together this quickly if they also paid Brady 75-90 million over those 3 years.
2020 would have been a substantial step back from 2019; it had to be because they couldn’t afford to keep their own or sign anyone new of note even without Brady, and 75% of the Free Agent influx in the rebuild of 2021 was paid for with the money they didn’t pay Brady in 20 and 21. They could have added a couple guys last year but only a small fraction of what they did (40% of the snaps on both sides of the ball were played by additions last year). So they would have suffered through 2 mediocre seasons and not be starting a rebuild around a 45 year old QB.

The first half of your post basically says, BB wanted Brady, strictly on his terms. Thats not how negotiations work. Brady wanted a multi year deal (which was still a bargain) and was denied multiple times. They had every chance to pay him and they didnt

 

[catent]

The first half of your post basically says, BB wanted Brady, strictly on his terms. Thats not how negotiations work. Brady wanted a multi year deal (which was still a bargain) and was denied multiple times. They had every chance to pay him and they didnt

That’s actually how negotiations work. The team had their terms, Brady had his; they couldn’t be reconciled.

None of that provides a good reason for Brady doing what he did.

 

[All3Phases]

That’s actually how negotiations work. The team had their terms, Brady had his; they couldn’t be reconciled.

None of that provides a good reason for Brady doing what he did.

Quarterbacks have all leverage in deals with teams. Teams pay the quarterbacks what they want, theres a reason they never hit FA. Great ones at least. Offering an MVP quarterback year to year deals is lowballing, and they continued to do it for multiple years. What he wanted was a massive steal. The patriots didnt want to sign him, its simple. He asked and they denied.

 

[Ring 6]

The first half of your post basically says, BB wanted Brady, strictly on his terms. Thats not how negotiations work. Brady wanted a multi year deal (which was still a bargain) and was denied multiple times. They had every chance to pay him and they didnt

Everyone has terms. I’m not sure why you think that Belichick having criteria of how the contract would work for the Patriots and not just give away whatever is asked for without consideration to the long term health of the franchise is unusual or bad.

 

[All3Phases]

Everyone has terms. I’m not sure why you think that Belichick having criteria of how the contract would work for the Patriots and not just give away whatever is asked for without consideration to the long term health of the franchise is unusual or bad.

2/50 hurts the long term health of the franchise? Wow. You are acting like Brady wanted a 10 year deal with a blank check. Offering below market deals for an elite player constantly is bad negotiating and they paid the price

 

[venecol]

Towards the end Brady was very public with how he was being treated as a player and contractually.

To this day, he's never bad mouthed the Patriots.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The first half of your post basically says, BB wanted Brady, strictly on his terms. Thats not how negotiations work. Brady wanted a multi year deal (which was still a bargain) and was denied multiple times. They had every chance to pay him and they didnt

You are assuming Brady wanted to be here past 2019…it’s pretty clear he didn’t. This isn’t a situation where he left simply because he didn’t get a long term contract.

 

[catent]

Are we going to now care about Tampering of all things? Dont forget

Let me know when Belichick has ongoing conversations with other teams over a period of multiple months, conversations that are detailed and specific, conversations that occur during and throughout the course of an ongoing season. And let me know when the league releases a report detailing all of this.

 

[Ring 6]

Quarterbacks have all leverage in deals with teams. Teams pay the quarterbacks what they want, theres a reason they never hit FA. Great ones at least. Offering an MVP quarterback year to year deals is lowballing, and they continued to do it for multiple years. What he wanted was a massive steal. The patriots didnt want to sign him, its simple. He asked and they denied.

So your argument is that because other teams allow their QBs to demand whatever they want without push back and negotiation that the Patriots should do that with a 43 year old, coming off his worst half season of his career?
The Patriots made him offers, Kraft asked if there was anything he could do, Brady said no. That is the opposite of what you said.

 

[All3Phases]

So your argument is that because other teams allow their QBs to demand whatever they want without push back and negotiation that the Patriots should do that with a 43 year old, coming off his worst half season of his career?
The Patriots made him offers, Kraft asked if there was anything he could do, Brady said no. That is the opposite of what you said.

What are you talking about? He asked for multi year extensions after winning the MVP in 17 and winning the SB in 18. They denied it. You saying they didnt want to sign him long term is just that. Them not wanting him. They didnt want to commit to him, its ok. We dont need to tip toe around it

 

[Ring 6]

You are assuming Brady wanted to be here past 2019…it’s pretty clear he didn’t. This isn’t a situation where he left simply because he didn’t get a long term contract.

No he left because the Dolphins got in his head and turned him against the organization.
The timeline of the tampering and Brady’s drastic change in actions and demeanor are congruent.
This is the reason tampering is not allowed. In this case it actually affected play on the field.

 

[All3Phases]

Let me know when Belichick has ongoing conversations with other teams over a period of multiple months, conversations that are detailed and specific, conversations that occur during and throughout the course of an ongoing season. And let me know when the league releases a report detailing all of this.

The NFL should investigate it, maybe youll get your answers. Until then, cry about something that goes on 24/7 in sports

 

[Ring 6]

What are you talking about? He asked for multi year extensions after winning the MVP in 17 and winning the SB in 18. They denied it. You saying they didnt want to sign him long term is just that. Them not wanting him. They didnt want to commit to him, its ok. We dont need to tip toe around it

They wanted to sign him. That is no debatable.
Of course they weee red reluctant to sign a 43 year old to a long term contract, they aren’t idiots.
In hindsight it’s good that they didn’t.

 

[RobertWeathers]

To this day, he's never bad mouthed the Patriots.

Yep but we knew he felt unappreciated and unhappy with his contract

 

[venecol]

Belichick would have retained Brady until he couldn’t stand up any more if not for the fact that he has an entire organization to run and had to account for the likelihood that age would catch up to Brady like everyone else.
Belichick never didn’t want Brady, but he had to consider the ramifications of a long term deal to a guy who was past the age ANYONE had ever been able to play the position at.
The compromise was the same thing the Saints did with Brees and Brady was offended. Hindsight isn’t available to know where a 43 year old will be in 3 years, nor is precedent.
Ultimately given the way the team performed with him in the second half of 2019, and the cap position staying on top has put them in, him leaving ended up best for Patriots. They could not have rebuilt and put a strong team together this quickly if they also paid Brady 75-90 million over those 3 years.
2020 would have been a substantial step back from 2019; it had to be because they couldn’t afford to keep their own or sign anyone new of note even without Brady, and 75% of the Free Agent influx in the rebuild of 2021 was paid for with the money they didn’t pay Brady in 20 and 21. They could have added a couple guys last year but only a small fraction of what they did (40% of the snaps on both sides of the ball were played by additions last year). So they would have suffered through 2 mediocre seasons and not be starting a rebuild around a 45 year old QB.

This is such nonsense. For a recent example see the Rams.