OT: Dolphins Owner Steven Ross Suspended, Picks Forfeited, For Tampering With Brady, Payton

[Guts]

How many Super Bowls did he win in MN? Did he also lure a retired team legend to his new team?

How many Superbowls did he win for GB? 1 compared to freaking 6!!!!

 

[RobertWeathers]

That is a very interesting point. We all wondered why Belichick held the line on the contract and not franchising him. It also runs directly to the the timing of the decision to give Jimmy Garappolo away for nothing. Once that happened, Brady figured he could do whatever he wanted outside the organization.

What if Belichick had traded Brady to Miami for a a fistful of draft picks and just went with Jimmy G as his starter?

I think it's possible.

After Flo got wind TB12 was gonna be on Ross's yacht he reached out to Bill and told him what was going down.

Then Bill tells Bob.

Bob takes it as a personally disloyal act but because of Tom's stature in the region, importance to the franchise and the politics involved with Bill he publicly says he wants Tom to stay but never really does anything to make it happen- which is exactly what happened.

 

[archstanton543]

How many Superbowls did he win for GB? 1 compared to freaking 6!!!!

I didn't say how many did he win in GB. How many did he win for the Vikes?

 

[DaBruinz]

I hope someone sues the NFL just to bring it back out from underneath the rock they just attempted to bury it under. It only takes one or two people who had any type of Financial interest in the outcomes of the games.

Brian Flores still has his suit pending. Unless the NFL settles, they just handed Flores' lawyer some more juiciness.

 

[Bruins29]

Ok Thats it! Brady is off the Mount Rushmore of Boston Athletes.

 

[Hawaiianpatsfan2]

My biggest question is, why did Brady want to go to the DOlphins of all teams? Was it because of Ross specifically, or did he just want to stick it to Belichick...my guess it's the latter.

I believe I read somewhere that Ross offered him a shot at a partial ownership percentage. That’s a hard thing to say no to.

 

[Bill Lee]

Lol

Cleared? What a whopper of a lie!

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I think it's possible.

After Flo got wind TB12 was gonna be on Ross's yacht he reached out to Bill and told him what was going down.

Then Bill tells Bob.

Bob takes it as a personally disloyal act but because of Tom's stature in the region, importance to the franchise and the politics involved with Bill he publicly says he wants Tom to stay but never really does anything to make it happen- which is exactly what happened.

But if you read The Dynasty by Jeff Benedict he says Kraft wanted Brady to stay here and was surprised when he wanted to leave...

 

[RobertWeathers]

I believe I read somewhere that Ross offered him a shot at a partial ownership percentage. That’s a hard thing to say no to.

My understanding is that "offer" was made after the 2021 season but I am not sure.

Ross could have laid the foundation for that in Aug 2019 I guess.

 

[Bradybranch]

So BB knew what he was doing when he texted the "wrong" Brian.

 

[Ring 6]

Not at all. I'm not happy Brady spoke to anyone, but, we don't know the details of the conversations. What we do know is he didn't go to the Phins, so whatever they were pitching he wasn't buying. To be clear, whoever approached Brady he should have said I'll talk to you after the season.

And perhaps they contributed in turning him against the Patriots.
In any event he was an employee of the Patriots, who is aware of tampering rules, and should not have had those discussions, especially while staying away for the off season, sitting out the bulk of practices, outwardly griping ( I guess now we know what “I just work here” meant. ) and playing the worst football of his life.

I love Brady and he has given more to me than any athlete I have ever rooted for, but there is no question he mailed it in that year and we were primed to repeat if he hadn’t.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I still don't see how this is a bad look. They wanted to move on, which they did and hired a new coach anyways. Speaking of the new coach, I like how they emphasized their new hired coach was someone of color. Many people would've never known if it wasn't mentioned.

I think you actually explained in your response why it was a bad look. Flores accused the Dolphins of using him as an Uncle Tom to meet a quota, and the moment the team was good again they’d dump him for another (presumably white) coach, and specifically Sean Payton. If the Dolphins actually sign Sean Payton and trade for Brady’s rights / sign him after Brady gets Tampa to release him from him contract, then it plays out exactly as Flores predicted ahead of time - potentially adding legitimacy to his claim in the public’s eye. Instead, the Dolphins stop all pursuit of both…. And then they hire a mixed-race coach who looks white, such that the Dolphins then publicly exclaim that it’s someone of color. Which has the impact of deflating Flores’ claims since they replaced him with another person of color. I think it’s pretty clear that the Flores situation made the Dolphins change their plans. Should they have? That’s a different question, but it’s quite clear that they did.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

If we cant get their 1st rounder, we should have a pick of any player on their team and the dolphins have to take the cap hit for it! Xavien Howard or Waddle, please!

 

[RobertWeathers]

But if you read The Dynasty by Jeff Benedict he says Kraft wanted Brady to stay here and was surprised when he wanted to leave...

Kraft is a great politician.

 

[patsfan13]

12-4 season isn't tanking and was a defensive stop away from getting a bye

See the last 6 games particularly the Dolphins season finale and the Titans PO game. He stunk.

 

[Sciz]

There were tampering punishments involving pick swaps benefitting the "victim" team in 2008 and 2011 (Lance Briggs and Jarrad Page). The Eagles did not get a pick when the Chiefs tampered with Jeremy Maclin in 2016 (forfeited 3rd and 6th). Similarly, the Patriots did not get any picks when the Jets tampered with Revis (fine only) or Brady (forfeited 1st and 3rd). Of those five, only Revis actually joined the team that tampered with him.

 

[Vindicate]

Cleared? What a whopper of a lie!

These people are terrible at lying. It's just that the folks who can do anything about it are either willfully ignorant or woefully stupid.

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

Ironic. Brady now at center of two of the largest penalties in NFL history
2 1st rounders, a third and a fourth, one owner suspended

Not his fault but he perhaps is a lightning rod

 

[VectorPrime]

We don't know Brady's contract demands and whether he and the agent were plotting his departure. We do know he stunk the last 6 games in NE, they might have been better off starting Hoyer who was at least trying to win. Did he tank the Titan's PO game because he wanted to be gone?

Brady literally threw the TD to give the Pats a 4 point lead against Miami with 3:30 to go in week 17 and all the Pats needed was for their league best defense to stop Ryan Fitzpatrick to secure 13-3 and a first round bye. The other three loses that season were to the eventual Super Bowl champs, the 1 seed in the conference, and the Texans who were good that year.

 

[Guts]

See the last 6 games particularly the Dolphins season finale and the Titans PO game. He stunk.

I mean James White was the leading receiver in both those games.

They doubled Edelman and just had a hobbled Sanu and the fan favorite Harry to work with. A sprinkle of Dorsertt too.

Not excusing it, but I think if AB doesn't do AB things we probably repeat