Patricia Vs Judge For Play Calling Duties?

[Ring 6]

You’re literally saying that the players are wrong, Wynn has been in the playbook FIVE years. I’d think he knows if they’re simplifying it, for the exact reason he said. And you keep telling me I’m guessing, while acting like you know for sure. Unfortunately all evidence backs me up and not you. Sorry Ring

No I am not. I am telling you that they had 2 days of practice. I am telling you that these comments about changes happen all the time and usually do not end up anywhere near the original discussion.

There is no evidence, they haven’t installed the offense yet. There is conjecture. Your conjecture flies in the face of what they have done for 20 years.

 

[Ring 6]

Nobody said they started a new offense from scratch, you simply projected that into your argument.

You stated that they are completely and totally changing the terminology and playbook. That is the point of this discussion.

I will summarize.

My point. They make changes every year. They should be more than normal this year because the last 2 off seasons changes were with newton projected to be the qb.

Your point, the changes are drastic and they are throwing out 20 years of a system and totally overhauling it.

Then you argue: this player says they are making changes, see I’m right.
It’s a strawman argument.

 

[Ring 6]

You’re literally saying that the players are wrong, Wynn has been in the playbook FIVE years. I’d think he knows if they’re simplifying it, for the exact reason he said. And you keep telling me I’m guessing, while acting like you know for sure. Unfortunately all evidence backs me up and not you. Sorry Ring

David Andrews said “we do this every year”. Is he wrong?

 

[Ring 6]

Ring6 is telling me guys on the team are incorrect, I’m sure he’s in the playbook as much as them

They had 2 practices. They haven’t installed the offense. Wynn won’t know what the offense is until it’s installed and neither will you or I.
Resorting to comments like this are what people do when they invent a larger point out of a few very early pieces of information and build it into something it’s not.

 

[venecol]

You’re literally saying that the players are wrong, Wynn has been in the playbook FIVE years. I’d think he knows if they’re simplifying it, for the exact reason he said. And you keep telling me I’m guessing, while acting like you know for sure. Unfortunately all evidence backs me up and not you. Sorry Ring

It's not nice to kick a dude when he's already down.

 

[venecol]

Nobody said they started a new offense from scratch, you simply projected that into your argument.

That's what he does. He twists and turns and contorts arguments, incrementally changes his position or your position, makes shyt up, moves goal posts, etc. all in an effort to win an argument. He's the most dishonest poster on patsfans. It's a waste of time to engage him.

 

[All3Phases]

No I am not. I am telling you that they had 2 days of practice. I am telling you that these comments about changes happen all the time and usually do not end up anywhere near the original discussion.

There is no evidence, they haven’t installed the offense yet. There is conjecture. Your conjecture flies in the face of what they have done for 20 years.

What they’ve done for 20 years is changing, it’s ok to admit it. 2 days doesn’t matter, players and coaches are telling you changes are happening. Feel free to find me quotes from years past about major terminology changes/dumbing down/ streamlining. Changes happen every year, this is different

 

[Ring 6]

What they’ve done for 20 years is changing, it’s ok to admit it. 2 days doesn’t matter, players and coaches are telling you changes are happening. Feel free to find me quotes from years past about major terminology changes/dumbing down/ streamlining. Changes happen every year, this is different

Things change every year. The framework of the offense will continue to be the same.
This is no different.

 

[Ring 6]

That's what he does. He twists and turns and contorts arguments, incrementally changes his position or your position, makes shyt up, moves goal posts, etc. all in an effort to win an argument. He's the most dishonest poster on patsfans. It's a waste of time to engage him.

Actually quite the opposite.
I’ve said the same thing all along. Change happens every year, this year is no different than any other, and just like any other what changes is unique to the year.
Arguing against that by saying things are changing and that refutes my point is the definition of twisting and moving the goalposts.

 

[All3Phases]

David Andrews said “we do this every year”. Is he wrong?

Is Isaiah Wynn wrong?

 

[All3Phases]

Things change every year. The framework of the offense will continue to be the same.
This is no different.

Again, nobody said the core of the system is changing, I said the terminology is changing and the reason behind it was the inexperienced coaching staff. Players and the coach confirmed

 

[All3Phases]

You stated that they are completely and totally changing the terminology and playbook. That is the point of this discussion.

I will summarize.

My point. They make changes every year. They should be more than normal this year because the last 2 off seasons changes were with newton projected to be the qb.

Your point, the changes are drastic and they are throwing out 20 years of a system and totally overhauling it.

Then you argue: this player says they are making changes, see I’m right.
It’s a strawman argument.

Nope, I said the terminology is changing and simplifying. I didn’t say anything other than that. You’re trying to save face because you said dumbing down the playbook would be stupid of them before you found out they did that. Find me the quotes in the past about streamlining the terminology.

 

[Ring 6]

Is Isaiah Wynn wrong?

Is David Andrews?

They are probably both right.
Andrews knows they do this every year, Wynn feels what they changed makes it easier.
They have said they STREAMLINED TERMINOLOGY. That is the same as changing the offense. I am sure an OL would consider “streamlining the terminology” easier.
You never answered what you think streamlining the terminology means. Why not?

 

[All3Phases]

Is David Andrews?

They are probably both right.
Andrews knows they do this every year, Wynn feels what they changed makes it easier.
They have said they STREAMLINED TERMINOLOGY. That is the same as changing the offense. I am sure an OL would consider “streamlining the terminology” easier.
You never answered what you think streamlining the terminology means. Why not?

I think Dave Andrews knows how to work the media, unfortunately there’s plenty of other Patriots who willingly are telling you they’re changing things from previous years. Wynn has plenty of experience don’t you think? At this point it’s how many sources do you need?

And I have told you what I think it means, to me they’re changing the verbiage in the playbook to simply be less complex, whether they’re taking options out, etc. I believe they’re doing it because the coaching staff isn’t familiar with the current playbook. So simplifying it is easiest for everybody to learn at the same time. I’m sure it won’t look much different on the field from our POV, but when you have the terms “dumb it down” as a description of it, they’re simplifying things.

 

[Ring 6]

Nope, I said the terminology is changing and simplifying. I didn’t say anything other than that. You’re trying to save face because you said dumbing down the playbook would be stupid of them before you found out they did that. Find me the quotes in the past about streamlining the terminology.

That is a lie. I quoted your comment many times. Why can’t you be honest about what you said.
I could not care less about “saving face”, but my comment was about changing the site read passing game (do you know what that is) for Ocho cinco and it was and still is true that you don’t take an offense built on intelligence and change to one that idiots understand. Streamlining the terminology is nothing like that.

 

[Ring 6]

Again, nobody said the core of the system is changing, I said the terminology is changing and the reason behind it was the inexperienced coaching staff. Players and the coach confirmed

You did. I quoted it a few times.

 

[All3Phases]

You did. I quoted it a few times.

No you haven’t, you paraphrased and added to what I said, everything I’ve argued is about the terminology, not about the actual plays in the playbook. I’ve agreed numerous times that stems from the playbook are altered every year. Which you ignore

 

[All3Phases]

That is a lie. I quoted your comment many times. Why can’t you be honest about what you said.
I could not care less about “saving face”, but my comment was about changing the site read passing game (do you know what that is) for Ocho cinco and it was and still is true that you don’t take an offense built on intelligence and change to one that idiots understand. Streamlining the terminology is nothing like that.

Provide the quote where I said They're changing the playbook completely not in relation to the terminology. No need to twist words

You continuously say, things change every year. That’s a generic statement without any detail because you simply don’t have any evidence to specifically back anything up.

 

[Ring 6]

No you haven’t, you paraphrased and added to what I said, everything I’ve argued is about the terminology, not about the actual plays in the playbook. I’ve agreed numerous times that stems from the playbook are altered every year. Which you ignore

Dude I quoted your exact words, go back and read it, it’s right in the thread.

 

[All3Phases]

Dude I quoted your exact words, go back and read it, it’s right in the thread.

I literally never said they were completely changing the playbook in terms of scheme, sorry you “misinterpreted” that. Everything I’ve argued was in terms of terminology. I’m assuming this is what you’re referring to?

“The entire playbook is streamlined and the terminology is completely changed in an off season”

Which part of this is saying the playbook is schematically changing? The problem is you can’t call somebody a liar when they have the receipts to pull from. You previously asked me to provide quotes to back up my claim, all I’ve done is beat you over the head with them. Then it switched to those guys being liars and discrediting them. The dancing will need to stop at some point.