Rumor: Some Patriots Players Have Doubts About Cam Newton

[DropKickFlutie]

Team Bill jumps all over anyone that dare think he hasn’t drafted well as of late or that he didn’t have a post Brady backup plan. At the same time team Bill likes to make sure everyone knows that Bill drafted Brady (not really, partial credit at best) and that Brady owes Bill all he knows and acts like Brady was just some cog on the wheel. Brady wasn’t Lawyer Milloy. He wasn’t Richard Seymour. He was (is) bigger than the team. He was the most important piece of the best dynasty in NFL history and Team Bill likes to act like he was only Tom Brady because of Bill. So far Brady without Bill looks much better than Bill without Brady.

It's pretty much unquestioned at this point that Brady going to a 7-9 team that hadn't made the playoffs for 18 years and then taking them to a Superbowl championship, has put the biggest exclamation point on any arguments. Bill would do well to scrutinize why his drafts and talent developement have sucked for 8 years after Reese/O'Brien left, and push his OC who never did anything without Tom out the door.

 

[Ring 6]

Team Bill jumps all over anyone that dare think he hasn’t drafted well as of late or that he didn’t have a post Brady backup plan. At the same time team Bill likes to make sure everyone knows that Bill drafted Brady (not really, partial credit at best) and that Brady owes Bill all he knows and acts like Brady was just some cog on the wheel. Brady wasn’t Lawyer Milloy. He wasn’t Richard Seymour. He was (is) bigger than the team. He was the most important piece of the best dynasty in NFL history and Team Bill likes to act like he was only Tom Brady because of Bill. So far Brady without Bill looks much better than Bill without Brady.

I have we not seen anyone say Brady was nothing without belichick.
I disagree with your opinion he was bigger than the team, and he would too.

I also think it is incorrect to think belichick had no hand in Brady’s success. Coaching matters and belichick personally coached Brady one on one. That doesn’t diminish Brady, every player is a product of how they are coached.

I also have no clue why there would be a team bill and a team Tom. They were on the same team and they accomplished everything they did together. Neither would be as successful without the other.

 

[captain stone]

Which they couldn’t have done if Brady took up most of the cap space they used.

Bill could've made better draft picks at TE & WR too ya know...Rookie contracts are a wonderful thing when used properly...

 

[Ring 6]

Bill could've made better draft picks at TE & WR too ya know...Rookie contracts are a wonderful thing when used properly...

It’s a circular argument. If the discussion is about the decision in 2019 it’s about the decision in 2019.
You can’t bring in individual decisions along the way without then including ALL decisions because they are all interconnected and the only way to judge is the end result.

Football teams, all of them, every year are faced with more need than resources. There has never been a team that if you handed them more resources they didn’t have deficiencies to improve upon.
This is why you can only judge overall success because individual decisions in a vacuum are meaningless.

 

[Ring 6]

Bill could've made better draft picks at TE & WR too ya know...Rookie contracts are a wonderful thing when used properly...

It’s a circular argument. If the discussion is about the decision in 2019 it’s about the decision in 2019.
You can’t bring in individual decisions along the way without then including ALL decisions because they are all interconnected and the only way to judge is the end result.

Football teams, all of them, every year are faced with more need than resources. There has never been a team that if you handed them more resources they didn’t have deficiencies to improve upon.
This is why you can only judge overall success because individual decisions in a vacuum are meaningless.

 

[masterbouncer]

This rumor thread continues to be trash but it does show the mods are biased against Cam for keeping it up so long

is it usual to cry around so much because a thread was closed?

we got you, Cam is uncontested starter for the next decade, in Foxborough there is no competition for positions at all
and Cam is to have MVP season

or actually having a positiv TD/INT ratio

 

[Lagaffe_07]

So I’m curious. Compared to the other 31 starting NFL QBs where would you rank Newton from 1 to 32?

40

 

[Ring 6]

40

That’s why I said starters to avoid the argument of the 20 or so backups that are better

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Nah I took an L in this pissing contest. Jax, Neptune, and Atlantic Beach don’t touch Jupiter. I can’t even hate on him anymore.

At least you‘re not softening up on patsfanwholovesaclevelandsteamer.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Yea I would never say Tom Brady leaving the NEP was the right thing but from a cap and team-building standpoint it did accelerate the rebuild as there was space.

It's impossible to say what their record would have been last year with Tom but I think something between 12-4 and 7-9 would be a reasonable guess.

Probably 9-7.. just a guess.

 

[moosekill]

No. Can you find it? Thanks.

I figured as much.

 

[moosekill]

I also have no clue why there would be a team bill and a team Tom. They were on the same team and they accomplished everything they did together. Neither would be as successful without the other.

There are a few posters on here who are Tom Brady fans and blame Bill for letting him go. Most don’t really care about the Patriots except as the team that Tom played for. They are Team Tom, the pink hat brigade. Everyone on here knows who they are, they come on every thread and let us know that Bill is an idiot and should have been fired. Team Tom.

Then anyone who disagrees with them are Team Bill the Homers.

 

[PP2]

On the other hand, I am on record as saying he lived with Tom leaving, sucked up a down year with Cam knowing he would get $85m in cap space and a top 15 draft pick in 2021. He chose to fight another day. That is how an NFL team reloads.

Which makes me think more and more that BB is going to keep Mac on the bench for this year and suck up yet another year to set up this franchise for the next 10 years or more.

 

[amfootball]

Which makes me think more and more that BB is going to keep Mac on the bench for this year and suck up yet another year to set up this franchise for the next 10 years or more.

So he can learn for an entire season about what not to do from Cam?

No one has really mentioned this but I can't think of a worse veteran Qb for Mac to learn under than Cam. Not only is Cam completely washed, he can't even play well in our system. Mahomes had Alex Smith who could actually teach him the offense.

Mac is much better off playing this season for us for his development.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Riddle


Tom Riddle

It's like they always say, those who nose ain't talking, and those talking don't nose.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

So he can learn for an entire season about what not to do from Cam?

No one has really mentioned this but I can't think of a worse veteran Qb for Mac to learn under than Cam. Not only is Cam completely washed, he can't even play well in our system. Mahomes had Alex Smith who could actually teach him the offense.

Mac is much better off playing this season for us for his development.

Watching 2000 Bledsoe didn't give Brady bad habits ..

 

[sb1]

I also think it is incorrect to think belichick had no hand in Brady’s success. Coaching matters and belichick personally coached Brady one on one. That doesn’t diminish Brady, every player is a product of how they are coached.

Not really. It's the great QB's that can and have carried coaches to championships and success. Not the other way around.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Honestly, from what I read everywhere, Mac get the ball out quicker than Cam, seems to process faster than Cam, is more accurate than Cam and throws with anticipation and on time.

before the draft, he was described as the most NFL QB ready in the draft. Mac doesn’t need to sit to learn the system more. He needs game rep to get use to the NFL game speed. He need the experience. He needs to make mistakes to know what he can get away with and what he can’t. IMO sitting a year behind Cam will not change that and instead of making those errors this year, he will make them next year and we will have lost two seasons of Mac instead of one.

i don’t really see what we have to gain by playing a QB that can’t separate himself from a rookie QB in his first training camp.

 

[1960Pats]

Watching 2000 Bledsoe didn't give Brady bad habits ..

Bledsoe was a much better QB than Cant and was helpful even when TB replaced him in 2001.
We'll see how well Cant handles his demotion if it happens. :::::hoping that it does::::::

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Bledsoe was a much better QB than Cant and was helpful even when TB replaced him in 2001.
We'll see how well Cant handles his demotion if it happens. ::::::raying that it does::::::

Bledsoe wasn't good in 2000.... slow decision making and bad throws. But the year to learn helped Brady as it did Rogers and Mahomes.