Trade a 2nd For Jimmy Now; This is Not a Long Term Commitment

[lancerman]

Hello, been checking out this thread, and thought it might help to give things from a 49er perspective. It is to the 49ers advantage to keep JG this year and play him. 49ers want to contend for a Super Bowl, which is hard to do with a rookie. The 49ers are also investing a lot of draft capital into a single player, they can't afford for it to fail. The best thing for a rookie QB is to sit a year and learn behind a vet (and Kyle's offense is more complicated than most).

I even started a poll on a 49er forum. 50% wouldn't trade him for any price, 20% would trade him for a first, and another 30% would trade him for a second or better. Of course, fans aren't management. I suspect that 49er brass would trade him for a first despite the advantages of keeping him based on them saying a trade was possible.

Biggest issue for trading JG (other than his no trade clause) is his salary. He is being paid like he is one of the best QB in the league, but his play/health history doesn't match up to it. If he is cut, no one will pay him 25 million a year. I expect JG will play for the 49ers for a year, and either prove he is worth his salary and be traded, or fail and get cut. So if you can wait a year, you might get him for free.

The 49’ers are to good to bet it all on a rookie and Jimmy’s free agency stock is too low in a year where teams are strapped for cash to want to test the market. His best bet is repairing his image with a good year in SF and the Niner’s best bet is to roll with the vet for a potential SB run unless Jimmy gives them a reason not to via injury or poor play.

A lot of the trade scenarios in this thread are wishful thinking.

 

[lancerman]

This makes sense FOR THE NINERS but makes no sense at all for Jimmy. I think he demands a trade or to be released. No guaranteed $$ until week one...why risk training camp injury on a team you know doesn’t want you. His agent is also very smart...I don’t see him playing in SF this year.
That said...I’m not certain he plays in NE either.

Jimmy’s stock is low and teams have cap issues now. If he goes to free agency he’s going to lose money assuming he is the week 1 starter in SF (which barring injury, he would be imo). Jimmy’s smart move is to be on himself, play well on a good real, and make a free agency case for himself next year.

He goes in free agency this off season or gets traded and restructures and has a bad year on a worse team, he’s pretty much ending his chances at big money ever again and likely being a starter

 

[varjao]

I believe most of Jimmy's injuries if not all happened because he exposed himself too much, that may be fixable

 

[Bourne Patriot]

I believe most of Jimmy's injuries if not all happened because he exposed himself too much, that may be fixable

If only we were a team that had a great O line and ran plays to get the ball out his hands before he's at risk of being hit...

Would also be ideal if we had two great receiving TE's to take advantage of his short/mid range accuracy.

 

[sean10mm]

If only we were a team that had a great O line and ran plays to get the ball out his hands before he's at risk of being hit...

Would also be ideal if we had two great receiving TE's to take advantage of his short/mid range accuracy.

This basically describes the Shanahan 49ers so

 

[Respectful49erFan]

This makes sense FOR THE NINERS but makes no sense at all for Jimmy. I think he demands a trade or to be released. No guaranteed $$ until week one...why risk training camp injury on a team you know doesn’t want you. His agent is also very smart...I don’t see him playing in SF this year.
That said...I’m not certain he plays in NE either.

Jimmy has no leverage. If he refuses to play, the 49ers keep him and he doesn't get paid. They will have drafted his backup, so it isn't like they will be hurting that much by him holding out. In the mean time, his free agent stock will be dropping and there is 0 chance that he will be making 25 million next year.

On the other hand, I don't see him renegotiating his contract to a more cap friendly number with the 49ers this year. There was some chance that he might do so before the 49ers traded up to #3, but now the 49ers have no leverage to pressure him to a new contract.

 

[Bourne Patriot]

This basically describes the Shanahan 49ers so

True, and Shanahan also likes a lot more QB roll outs and mobility.

Get Jimmy to play in the scheme that TB12 did and he would come to less harm than a scheme which relies on him running more, "in theory". Of course he got hurt once with the Pats anyway but Bill likes to stamp out bad habits.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

True, and Shanahan also likes a lot more QB roll outs and mobility.

Get Jimmy to play in the scheme that TB12 did and he would come to less harm than a scheme which relies on him running more, "in theory". Of course he got hurt once with the Pats anyway but Bill likes to stamp out bad habits.

Jimmy holds the ball too long. Underrated aspect to TB12’s game was getting rid of the ball to love to fight another down

 

[sean10mm]

True, and Shanahan also likes a lot more QB roll outs and mobility.

Get Jimmy to play in the scheme that TB12 did and he would come to less harm than a scheme which relies on him running more, "in theory". Of course he got hurt once with the Pats anyway but Bill likes to stamp out bad habits.

I mean Shanahan doesn't run a QB killing scheme by any stretch. Matt Ryan wasn't eating needless kill shots in that system for instance.

The problem is Jimmy G is not that good mentally and takes avoidable hits because he's dumb sometimes.

 

[mgteich]

This makes sense FOR THE NINERS but makes no sense at all for Jimmy. I think he demands a trade or to be released. No guaranteed $$ until week one...why risk training camp injury on a team you know doesn’t want you. His agent is also very smart...I don’t see him playing in SF this year.
That said...I’m not certain he plays in NE either.

Jimmy can demand all he wants. If he wants to sit out the season, then he will be paid nothing and will belong to the 49's next year. The 49ers are NOT so desperate for a draft pick that they would give up the QB who would bring them to the playoffs this year. Even a whining Jimmy is a better option than the other backups.

 

[mgteich]

SF has to decide. They can have Jimmy for $24M or they can cut him. Alternatively, they can get a pick from NE, if Jimmy is willing to allow SF to squeeze NE for a draft choice.
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I suspect that SF is either willing to keep Jimmy and be more competitive this year, or not. I don't think that a draft choice should or will change their mind.

 

[Deus Irae]

This makes sense FOR THE NINERS but makes no sense at all for Jimmy. I think he demands a trade or to be released. No guaranteed $$ until week one...why risk training camp injury on a team you know doesn’t want you. His agent is also very smart...I don’t see him playing in SF this year.
That said...I’m not certain he plays in NE either.

I'm not sure how JAG looks at getting paid $25m+ for the season as making no sense. could you explain that one to me?

 

[Deus Irae]

SF has to decide. They can have Jimmy for $24M or they can cut him. Alternatively, they can get a pick from NE, if Jimmy is willing to allow SF to squeeze NE for a draft choice.
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I suspect that SF is either willing to keep Jimmy and be more competitive this year, or not. I don't think that a draft choice should or will change their mind.

Or they can ship him elsewhere, if they can find a trade partner. Teams have been mentioned by reporters.

 

[mgteich]

Or they can ship him elsewhere, if they can find a trade partner. Teams have been mentioned by reporters.

Jimmy has a no trade clause.

 

[Deus Irae]

Jimmy has a no trade clause.

And?

 

[Brady6]

There are other excellent thread on QB, but I wanted to focus on a single issue.

WE HAVE A NEED FOR A QB FOR 2021!!!
How can it NOT be worth a 2nd to be able to have an excellent team in 2021.
Jimmy would be paid $26M, $25M AAV over 5 years ($25M bonus plus $1M salary) for a $6M cap hit . Surely the parties can work this out.
We would not be committed to Jimmy for 2022 or thereafter; we could trade him or cut him.

THIS NEED NOT AFFECT ANY DECISIONMAKING FOR THE DRAFT
If we don't believe that Jimmy is a LT answer, we would still do our best to trade up for a QB (or stay or trade down, as you would before the trade).
BTW, this way Lance becomes an even a better prospect, since he may not be ready to start early in 2021.

I cannot see a scenario where we give the 49ers the same thing they gave us for Garoppolo 4 years later with multiple injuries including an ACL, and no longer on a rookie contract.

 

[Ring 6]

By far best case scenario mock. Todd McShay mock draft: Patriots trade up to get their quarterback of the future

 

[davidjc]

Problem is Jimmy is worth more than a 2nd round pick. If you are trading for him you are already betting on him being healthy the full season. Otherwise you are not going to do it. I know a lot of people like to make it all about his injury history expecting that to result in big discounts but it's fairly unrealistic to expect the 49ers to let go of Jimmy for a single 2nd round pick. Jimmy has proven he is the real deal when healthy. At the very least at the level of Kirk Cousins. When the Pats traded to 49ers for a second round pick that was considered a poor deal for the Pats when Jimmy was still of a more unknown entity.

A few years later and Jimmy has established he is capable of being one of the few QBs who can take a team to the Super Bowl. And there is reason to believe he won't always be so injury prone. Personally I think Jimmy is worth a mid to low tier first round pick.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Problem is Jimmy is worth more than a 2nd round pick. If you are trading for him you are already betting on him being healthy the full season. Otherwise you are not going to do it. I know a lot of people like to make it all about his injury history expecting that to result in big discounts but it's fairly unrealistic to expect the 49ers to let go of Jimmy for a single 2nd round pick. Jimmy has proven he is the real deal when healthy. At the very least at the level of Kirk Cousins. When the Pats traded to 49ers for a second round pick that was considered a poor deal for the Pats when Jimmy was still of a more unknown entity.

A few years later and Jimmy has established he is capable of being one of the few QBs who can take a team to the Super Bowl. And there is reason to believe he won't always be so injury prone. Personally I think Jimmy is worth a mid to low tier first round pick.

You have it backwards.

Jimmy is worth a ~2nd rounder BECAUSE of his injury history.

..and the ~ means when assigning value, let's qualify that.

Is Jimmy worth a high 2nd (30s) or a low 2nd (50s)? Big difference.

 

[mgteich]

Yes, if Jimmy had no injury history, he would be worth more than a 1st.