Trade a 2nd For Jimmy Now; This is Not a Long Term Commitment

[Rob0729]

Garoppolo's contract gives him ZERO long-term security. It's almost all salary this year and next. Another injury and he's done, $-wise. The only way I see him wanting to not renegotiate would be if he's certain that he'll become a back-up, which I doubt. Were I him, I'd rather a 4-year, starter-level deal with typical guarantees built in, which I think more than one team would offer him.

Why should SF trade him at all? Well, they've made it clear he ain't their guy and they're laying out 25m in salary to someone they feel they can and should replace. 13.5% of the salary cap on a placeholder? Shanahan could certainly coax Alex Smith for less than half that, I'd expect, or could trade for Minshew or Darnold or someone to hold the fort at a fraction of the $$$. But again, it's Shanahan, who is out there and stubborn as hell, from all indications.

Why should Jimmy want to leave? Because he's doomed there. There's little upside - his contract structure now gives all the leverage to SF.

There is upside for both Garoppolo and the 49ers. At full strength, the 49ers are a pretty good team. They are one year removed from a Super Bowl appearance. Garoppolo gives the 49ers a win now option. And if they repeat another appearance to the Super Bowl in the 2021 season with Garoppolo under center, his trade value skyrockets and he can either keep his current deal or get a far better deal with hi s next team.

And I don't see the 49ers using draft capital to trade for Darnold who would could command a low second day pick. After what the 49ers gave up to move up, they are not spending any draft capital to get a one year placeholder QB.

 

[Deus Irae]

Garoppolo's contract gives him ZERO long-term security. It's almost all salary this year and next. Another injury and he's done, $-wise. The only way I see him wanting to not renegotiate would be if he's certain that he'll become a back-up, which I doubt. Were I him, I'd rather a 4-year, starter-level deal with typical guarantees built in, which I think more than one team would offer him.

Why should SF trade him at all? Well, they've made it clear he ain't their guy and they're laying out 25m in salary to someone they feel they can and should replace. 13.5% of the salary cap on a placeholder? Shanahan could certainly coax Alex Smith for less than half that, I'd expect, or could trade for Minshew or Darnold or someone to hold the fort at a fraction of the $$$. But again, it's Shanahan, who is out there and stubborn as hell, from all indications.

Why should Jimmy want to leave? Because he's doomed there. There's little upside - his contract structure now gives all the leverage to SF.

If we can, for the purposes of this exercise, accept that the 49ers really would use JAG as this year's starter, JAG's in a pretty darned good position. He's taken his team to the SB before, and SF is a team that's talented enough to push for a return to that level. So, JAG would need to stay healthy and play well enough to get the team into another deep playoff run, and his next contract (or an extension) would be secured.

 

[Love The Drake]

Garoppolo's contract gives him ZERO long-term security. It's almost all salary this year and next. Another injury and he's done, $-wise. The only way I see him wanting to not renegotiate would be if he's certain that he'll become a back-up, which I doubt. Were I him, I'd rather a 4-year, starter-level deal with typical guarantees built in, which I think more than one team would offer him.

Why should SF trade him at all? Well, they've made it clear he ain't their guy and they're laying out 25m in salary to someone they feel they can and should replace. 13.5% of the salary cap on a placeholder? Shanahan could certainly coax Alex Smith for less than half that, I'd expect, or could trade for Minshew or Darnold or someone to hold the fort at a fraction of the $$$. But again, it's Shanahan, who is out there and stubborn as hell, from all indications.

Why should Jimmy want to leave? Because he's doomed there. There's little upside - his contract structure now gives all the leverage to SF.

Niners are trading him, he’s our best move to be In the playoffs now. give them Harry and a 4th that with a conditional up to second next year and get going

 

[50-yard-line]

If we can, for the purposes of this exercise, accept that the 49ers really would use JAG as this year's starter, JAG's in a pretty darned good position. He's taken his team to the SB before, and SF is a team that's talented enough to push for a return to that level. So, JAG would need to stay healthy and play well enough to get the team into another deep playoff run, and his next contract (or an extension) would be secured.

Sure, i see the possible upside. There's a lot of downside - he plays okay, but gets replaced midway through, he gets hurt,,,

Also, if they get deep into the playoffs, what happens net year? And how long before the SF fans start wondering: "If only we had drafted Pitts/Waddle/Smith/etc!" "If only we had a pick this year!" (2022).

Helluva gamble.

 

[Deus Irae]

Sure, i see the possible upside. There's a lot of downside - he plays okay, but gets replaced midway through, he gets hurt,,,

Also, if they get deep into the playoffs, what happens net year? And how long before the SF fans start wondering: "If only we had drafted Pitts/Waddle/Smith/etc!" "If only we had a pick this year!" (2022).

Helluva gamble.

He's got more than 25 million reasons to think it's a worthwhile one.

 

[50-yard-line]

He's got more than 25 million reasons to think it's a worthwhile one.

I'd take a longer term security deal, personally.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'd take a longer term security deal, personally.

That would be silly. Right now, he gets that $25m or free agency.

 

[50-yard-line]

That would be silly. Right now, he gets that $25m or free agency.

To each his own. And it wouldn't be silly - it would just be a preference. Getting trading somewhere that considers him a longer term starter - along with a 4-year deal, would be a situation I'd prefer as I go into my 30th year. He can fashion a contract that guarantees him more and pays off higher for performance/availability. A little less risk/less gamble, so to speak.

He's already made a s***-ton of cash. Now, if I'm him, I'm trying to shake the demons and strengthen the legacy - go for a Steve Young-like career, if you will. Particularly after watching the falls of Trubisky and Mariota in real time.

So if Don Yee comes to him and says Team X would trade for you and make you the starter going forward, but need to rework and extend the contract, I'd jump.

Consider: if he gets hurt or doesn't do well this year, his trade value goes down further, no one will take on that one year of $25m, and he's likely looking at back-up status forever after.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Clearly talking Jimmy, get it done!

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

I say we just draft Davis mills!

 

[50-yard-line]

To each his own. And it wouldn't be silly - it would just be a preference. Getting trading somewhere that considers him a longer term starter - along with a 4-year deal, would be a situation I'd prefer as I go into my 30th year. He can fashion a contract that guarantees him more and pays off higher for performance/availability. A little less risk/less gamble, so to speak.

He's already made a s***-ton of cash. Now, if I'm him, I'm trying to shake the demons and strengthen the legacy - go for a Steve Young-like career, if you will. Particularly after watching the falls of Trubisky and Mariota in real time.

So if Don Yee comes to him and says Team X would trade for you and make you the starter going forward, but need to rework and extend the contract, I'd jump.

Consider: if he gets hurt or doesn't do well this year, his trade value goes down further, no one will take on that one year of $25m, and he's likely looking at back-up status forever after.

One last note on this: as Jimmy's contract has no guarantees until Week 1, he's taking a helluva risk going through TC. Not only the risk of getting hurt or getting outplayed, but the risk that a team that might want him settles elsewhere, or won't jettison their expected starter for locker room issues.

I'd be asking for a trade, personally.

 

[Penn State Patriot]

At the risk of my first post on this forum being a completely wrong take, I still think at some point Stidham will be a permanent QB1 for this team in 2021.

 

[wjcook68]

FNG here with a serious question. Is BB just looking for a game manager at this point? Is there a chance they are going to go to try and win with a stifling defense and on offense play the old "3 yards and a cloud of dust" and just pound on people?

 

[moosekill]

The only way it is a bad deal for Jimmy is if he gets hurt. If he makes the team he gets $24 million, if he gets traded he gets $24 million. If he gets cut he can make a deal probably worth in excess of $24 million. If he gets hurt in training camp he is ****ed.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I love Jimmy but I can't overpay for him. You're hoping either way. Hoping he stays healthy & back to form. Hoping Cam finds his streaky self again.

 

[mgteich]

Garoppolo's contract gives him ZERO long-term security. It's almost all salary this year and next. Another injury and he's done, $-wise. The only way I see him wanting to not renegotiate would be if he's certain that he'll become a back-up, which I doubt. Were I him, I'd rather a 4-year, starter-level deal with typical guarantees built in, which I think more than one team would offer him.

Why should SF trade him at all? Well, they've made it clear he ain't their guy and they're laying out 25m in salary to someone they feel they can and should replace. 13.5% of the salary cap on a placeholder? Shanahan could certainly coax Alex Smith for less than half that, I'd expect, or could trade for Minshew or Darnold or someone to hold the fort at a fraction of the $$$. But again, it's Shanahan, who is out there and stubborn as hell, from all indications.

Why should Jimmy want to leave? Because he's doomed there. There's little upside - his contract structure now gives all the leverage to SF.

Jimmy's choices are to accept a salary cut for the 49er's or not.

If he says no, then they can pay him $25M or cut him.

It seems reasonable for Jimmy to call their bluff and either get $25M or be cut.

 

[Love The Drake]

Jimmy's choices are to accept a salary cut for the 49er's or not.

If he says no, then they can pay him $25M or cut him.

It seems reasonable for Jimmy to call their bluff and either get $25M or be cut.

I wonder how Shanny would feel about Belichick if Jimmy forces niners to cut him then Belichick swoops in.

 

[Respectful49erFan]

Hello, been checking out this thread, and thought it might help to give things from a 49er perspective. It is to the 49ers advantage to keep JG this year and play him. 49ers want to contend for a Super Bowl, which is hard to do with a rookie. The 49ers are also investing a lot of draft capital into a single player, they can't afford for it to fail. The best thing for a rookie QB is to sit a year and learn behind a vet (and Kyle's offense is more complicated than most).

I even started a poll on a 49er forum. 50% wouldn't trade him for any price, 20% would trade him for a first, and another 30% would trade him for a second or better. Of course, fans aren't management. I suspect that 49er brass would trade him for a first despite the advantages of keeping him based on them saying a trade was possible.

Biggest issue for trading JG (other than his no trade clause) is his salary. He is being paid like he is one of the best QB in the league, but his play/health history doesn't match up to it. If he is cut, no one will pay him 25 million a year. I expect JG will play for the 49ers for a year, and either prove he is worth his salary and be traded, or fail and get cut. So if you can wait a year, you might get him for free.

 

[1960Pats]

If Jimmy can’t Cam sure as heck won’t.

It didn't look that way last year.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Hello, been checking out this thread, and thought it might help to give things from a 49er perspective. It is to the 49ers advantage to keep JG this year and play him. 49ers want to contend for a Super Bowl, which is hard to do with a rookie. The 49ers are also investing a lot of draft capital into a single player, they can't afford for it to fail. The best thing for a rookie QB is to sit a year and learn behind a vet (and Kyle's offense is more complicated than most).

I even started a poll on a 49er forum. 50% wouldn't trade him for any price, 20% would trade him for a first, and another 30% would trade him for a second or better. Of course, fans aren't management. I suspect that 49er brass would trade him for a first despite the advantages of keeping him based on them saying a trade was possible.

Biggest issue for trading JG (other than his no trade clause) is his salary. He is being paid like he is one of the best QB in the league, but his play/health history doesn't match up to it. If he is cut, no one will pay him 25 million a year. I expect JG will play for the 49ers for a year, and either prove he is worth his salary and be traded, or fail and get cut. So if you can wait a year, you might get him for free.

This makes sense FOR THE NINERS but makes no sense at all for Jimmy. I think he demands a trade or to be released. No guaranteed $$ until week one...why risk training camp injury on a team you know doesn’t want you. His agent is also very smart...I don’t see him playing in SF this year.
That said...I’m not certain he plays in NE either.