Belichick criticism mega-thread

[203Pat]

I was glad at the time, but the talent in 2001 was better than 2000 and even with Bledsoe, the record would have been better, but of course no SB.

I think they might have won an extra game or two on top of the 5 they won the year before but the offense wasn’t really suited to Drew’s strengths. With Drew it was a pass first offense which didn’t really suit what Bill seemingly wanted to do. When Brady came in they went to a run first offense that chewed up the clock and it worked combined with a good defense.

There is no doubt Bill helped Brady immensely in becoming the player he is now but that that was a two way street. If Drew never gets hurt maybe Bill never plays Brady and he Bill has another sub .500 year in 2001 and we saw that even with Brady the 2002 team was flawed. A few years of losing and maybe more Terry Glenn’s pop up in the locker room and Bill is a two time failure as a head coach and likely never gets another shot.

 

[crawhammer]

Love me some BB. Everything about him. Firstly, the focus on winning. Winning is awesome. It’s the only thing I care about (in terms of fandom).

He wasn't focused on winning Super Bowl 52 which was only one of the most important games in the history of the franchise.

Love BB the GM. Not afraid to move on early

What about when he's moving on way too early from the greatest player of all-time? You love that?

 

[Kargetina]

I'll never get over SB52. Losing to those Iggles fans was tougher than the (2) Giants' losses. BB owes us fans an explanation at some point? He lost much respect in my mind for essentially throwing away that game..

I completely agree. All three losses hurt but at least in the Giants games, they made a few more plays than the Pats did, they had some lucky plays, but so did the Pats in all 6 SB wins so 6-2 is a terrific score. But SB52 was 100% lost by Belichick and Patricia. It was salvageable all the way up to 9 minutes left in the game and the Pats up 33-32. And they still didn’t change course even though the glacier was right in front of them.

Makes my blood boil even now, three years later.

 

[farn]

He wasn't focused on winning Super Bowl 52 which was only one of the most important games in the history of the franchise.


What about when he's moving on way too early from the greatest player of all-time? You love that?

He was focused on winning that game. It was close until the very end, despite the lack of talent (and key reg season injuries) on D. I suspect you are blaming the benching of Butler on that loss ? Firstly, we don’t know the specifics, secondly we can’t be sure his mere presence would’ve made the ultimate difference.

I’m perfectly fine with « moving on » from Brady. It’s an oversimplification to uniquely blame BB for Brady’s departure. First, NE wasn’t going to win the SB this season, w or w/o Brady. They are rebuilding after 20 years of unparalleled excellence. Secondly, Brady wanted to leave. In part because of BB ? Sure. But what ? BB’s style and production in all facets of handling the job meant winning consistently for so so long. Saying it’s only BB’s fault makes no sense. Brady wanted to leave and compete in the few years he has remaining. It’s fair. Name another duo, at the top of their game, who stuck together 20 years. It doesn’t happen.

Looks like many posters are more Brady fans than Patriots fans. I don’t personally get it, but...

 

[Deus Irae]

He was focused on winning that game. It was close until the very end, despite the lack of talent (and key reg season injuries) on D. I suspect you are blaming the benching of Butler on that loss ? Firstly, we don’t know the specifics, secondly we can’t be sure his mere presence would’ve made the ultimate difference.

I’m perfectly fine with « moving on » from Brady. It’s an oversimplification to uniquely blame BB for Brady’s departure. First, NE wasn’t going to win the SB this season, w or w/o Brady. They are rebuilding after 20 years of unparalleled excellence. Secondly, Brady wanted to leave. In part because of BB ? Sure. But what ? BB’s style and production in all facets of handling the job meant winning consistently for so so long. Saying it’s only BB’s fault makes no sense. Brady wanted to leave and compete in the few years he has remaining. It’s fair. Name another duo, at the top of their game, who stuck together 20 years. It doesn’t happen.

Looks like many posters are more Brady fans than Patriots fans. I don’t personally get it, but...

When you have to crack out that line, you know you've lost the argument. At that point, you should just either concede or check out.

 

[skinnydog]

He was focused on winning that game. It was close until the very end, despite the lack of talent (and key reg season injuries) on D. I suspect you are blaming the benching of Butler on that loss ? Firstly, we don’t know the specifics, secondly we can’t be sure his mere presence would’ve made the ultimate difference.

I’m perfectly fine with « moving on » from Brady. It’s an oversimplification to uniquely blame BB for Brady’s departure. First, NE wasn’t going to win the SB this season, w or w/o Brady. They are rebuilding after 20 years of unparalleled excellence. Secondly, Brady wanted to leave. In part because of BB ? Sure. But what ? BB’s style and production in all facets of handling the job meant winning consistently for so so long. Saying it’s only BB’s fault makes no sense. Brady wanted to leave and compete in the few years he has remaining. It’s fair. Name another duo, at the top of their game, who stuck together 20 years. It doesn’t happen.

Looks like many posters are more Brady fans than Patriots fans. I don’t personally get it, but...

If Brady was still on the team, I would still be pissed at that SB loss. And yes the fans deserve an explanation for the benching of Butler in that game beyond Bill saying I was doing what I thought was best to win the game.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He was focused on winning that game. It was close until the very end, despite the lack of talent (and key reg season injuries) on D. I suspect you are blaming the benching of Butler on that loss ? Firstly, we don’t know the specifics, secondly we can’t be sure his mere presence would’ve made the ultimate difference.

I’m perfectly fine with « moving on » from Brady. It’s an oversimplification to uniquely blame BB for Brady’s departure. First, NE wasn’t going to win the SB this season, w or w/o Brady. They are rebuilding after 20 years of unparalleled excellence. Secondly, Brady wanted to leave. In part because of BB ? Sure. But what ? BB’s style and production in all facets of handling the job meant winning consistently for so so long. Saying it’s only BB’s fault makes no sense. Brady wanted to leave and compete in the few years he has remaining. It’s fair. Name another duo, at the top of their game, who stuck together 20 years. It doesn’t happen.

Looks like many posters are more Brady fans than Patriots fans. I don’t personally get it, but...

You are wasting your time with these.......fans

 

[TheRainMaker]

Firstly, we don’t know the specifics, secondly we can’t be sure his mere presence would’ve made the ultimate difference.

I remember that one time he came into the game for a struggling Kyle Arrington and intercepted a pass that ended the 10 year drought and prevented their 3rd straight Super Bowl collapse on the last drive of the game.

Regarding the first part, how does Chandler Jones get released from the Hospital only a few days away from the 2015 KC Divisional game but he plays? In addition, had Tom Brady for any reason not been "locked in" or missed practice time during the week that would not have prevented him from playing against the Eagles. There's got to be more to the story than Butler being "sick".

 

[farn]

I remember that one time he came into the game for a struggling Kyle Arrington and intercepted a pass that ended the 10 year drought and prevented their 3rd straight Super Bowl collapse on the last drive of the game.

Regarding the first part, how does Chandler Jones get released from the Hospital only a few days away from the 2015 KC Divisional game but he plays? In addition, had Tom Brady for any reason not been "locked in" or missed practice time during the week that would not have prevented him from playing against the Eagles. There's got to be more to the story than Butler being "sick".

I never said he was sick. We don’t know why Butler missed the game. Neither he, nor BB has commented at length on the subject.

Butler made a huge play in the Seahawks game. He was a huge part of that game. I loved him as a player - scrappy, productive... but he didn’t « win that game ». Brady came back, down 10 in the 4th vs an amazing D, Hightower made a crucial/difficult stop, the WRs made key snags...

I dunno, the hate for BB and the lack of acknowledgement that he played a major, major role in the story of success is astonishing. I don’t think posters have a grip on how difficult leadership in the NFL can be...

 

[Deus Irae]

the lack of acknowledgement that he played a major, major role in the story of success is astonishing.

 

[Biffins]

I think the beginning of the end was the drafting of Garoppolo. Bill's "We all know the the quarterback's age and contract status" comment then his infatuation with Jimmy and allegedly making personnel moves with a Garoppolo led offense in mind. He then waited too long to pull the trigger on trading Jimmy and severely diminished the return by trading him mid season. Even after that Bill refused to give Brady a real extension instead offering incentive laden crap and "kick the can" deals with dead years. So while Bill was allegedly texting Jimmy after every game he was pissing off the QB that had won three Super Bowls and a league MVP since Garoppolo was drafted. Bill seemingly couldn't wait to run Brady out of town and it was a bad move. Bill failed the team badly in that regard and deserves absolutely every ounce of criticism he receives and as far as I am concerned even more than he is getting.

When did it come out that Bill was "texting Jimmy after every game"? Wow. I didn't know.

 

[venecol]

When did it come out that Bill was "texting Jimmy after every game"? Wow. I didn't know.

Oh, Oh.

 

[farn]

You’re a bit of a weirdo, Deus. Welcome back.

If this GIF is to suggest BB wasn’t a big part of the success, agree to disagree. I know you heart Brady.

If, as I suspect, you are astounded that I am suggesting people discredit BB’s impact, then let me give a short compte rendu of the fun you’ve been missing. 39 and unders who’ve seen little but winning have been saying (I paraphrase) :
-it’s 100% Brady
-BB rode coattails all this time
-Weapons, weapons, weapons, where are they ?
-I want my team to be just like Madden
-7 and 9 is the worst and I can’t imagine any team has ever been this horrendous because 7 and 9 is the worst possible record in the world
-and such

In closing, weirdo, but our weirdo. Welcome back.

 

[Biffins]

He was focused on winning that game. It was close until the very end, despite the lack of talent (and key reg season injuries) on D. I suspect you are blaming the benching of Butler on that loss ? Firstly, we don’t know the specifics, secondly we can’t be sure his mere presence would’ve made the ultimate difference.

I’m perfectly fine with « moving on » from Brady. It’s an oversimplification to uniquely blame BB for Brady’s departure. First, NE wasn’t going to win the SB this season, w or w/o Brady. They are rebuilding after 20 years of unparalleled excellence. Secondly, Brady wanted to leave. In part because of BB ? Sure. But what ? BB’s style and production in all facets of handling the job meant winning consistently for so so long. Saying it’s only BB’s fault makes no sense. Brady wanted to leave and compete in the few years he has remaining. It’s fair. Name another duo, at the top of their game, who stuck together 20 years. It doesn’t happen.

Looks like many posters are more Brady fans than Patriots fans. I don’t personally get it, but...

It's quite clear, given the record performance by the offense, that defense was to blame for the loss. And in that it is quite clear that all defensive backs were playing out of position and got torched by a backup QB who became Superbowl MVP and didn't have a starting QB job before or since then.

Secondly "moving on" from Brady was clearly a monumentally stupid decision and I don't understand why you are "perfectly fine" with BB's folly in the context of being a Patriots fan caring about us winning. How much more losing seasons will it take before you question that decision? I suppose I'll juxtapose your final line and say that the following:

Looks like many posters are more BB fans than Patriots fans. I don't personally get it, but....

 

[Biffins]

I never said he was sick. We don’t know why Butler missed the game. Neither he, nor BB has commented at length on the subject.

Butler made a huge play in the Seahawks game. He was a huge part of that game. I loved him as a player - scrappy, productive... but he didn’t « win that game ». Brady came back, down 10 in the 4th vs an amazing D, Hightower made a crucial/difficult stop, the WRs made key snags...

I dunno, the hate for BB and the lack of acknowledgement that he played a major, major role in the story of success is astonishing. I don’t think posters have a grip on how difficult leadership in the NFL can be...

We were referring to the Eagles' superbowl, not Seahawks' game. Don't switch the topic.

If someone says Brady deserves more credit, it doesn't mean BB deserves none.

Also leadership can be difficult, but still poor decisions shouldn't get a pass.

 

[farn]

It's quite clear, given the record performance by the offense, that defense was to blame for the loss. And in that it is quite clear that all defensive backs were playing out of position and got torched by a backup QB who became Superbowl MVP and didn't have a starting QB job before or since then.

Secondly "moving on" from Brady was clearly a monumentally stupid decision and I don't understand why you are "perfectly fine" with BB's folly in the context of being a Patriots fan caring about us winning. How much more losing seasons will it take before you question that decision? I suppose I'll juxtapose your final line and say that the following:

Looks like many posters are more BB fans than Patriots fans. I don't personally get it, but....

I want the team to win SBs. Brady wasn’t winning a SB with this team. If they miss the playoffs for the next 5 years, I’ll be longing for a return - even if it means an early exit. But, after this much success, going 10-6 and losing the first round isn’t enticing.

You strongly believe NE was a contender this season with Brady ? If so, we disagree.

They stuck together for 20 years. That’s amazing. You are putting emphasis on the departure rather than the long stay.

 

[farn]

We were referring to the Eagles' superbowl, not Seahawks' game. Don't switch the topic.

If someone says Brady deserves more credit, it doesn't mean BB deserves none.

Also leadership can be difficult, but still poor decisions shouldn't get a pass.

I am aware we are talking about the Philly game. I referenced the Seattle game as a sign I wasn’t anti-Butler. I am curious as to why he didn’t play. But we don’t know. Once / If we do : it’ll be time to reassess as to « should he have played ».

I don’t think Butler not playing was the ultimate reason they lost. It was a factor. Using his benching as a dig on the coach... weird. Did the January 2018 benching lead to Brady leaving ?

 

[Brewskies]

Here they come. Knives out!

USA Today: Belichick's greatest mistake was betting against Tom Brady.

Bill Belichick’s greatest mistake was betting against Tom Brady

Bill Belichick didn’t see the value of Tom Brady in New England, and for the Patriots, it’s unfortunate.

patriotswire.usatoday.com

I'll post other media content related to the t itle here as well so it's all in one place.

Bifffins, what is your favorite NFL football team? What are your favorite MLB, NHL and NBA teams? thanks don't lie. You won't get bounced from this firum, truth please.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Bifffins, what is your favorite NFL football team? What are your favorite MLB, NHL and NBA teams? thanks don't lie. You won't get bounced from this firum, truth please.

dude changed his avatar to Bucs...his (current) favorite football team is obvious.

 

[PatsWSB47]

dude changed his avatar to Bucs...his (current) favorite football team is obvious.

His Avatar is a picture of Tommy Brady wearing number 12. Perhaps you should change your screen name to a quarterback that plays for the Patriots.