Belichick criticism mega-thread

[venecol]

You think 2020 was Brady's second best season? So what you're telling me is you don't really understand what you're talking about and just grasping on to some emotional straws because you're sad Brady left. Got it.

Brady was indeed on a steady decline and 2020 was definitely not his second best year lol.

Out of his 20 seasons, in 2020 Brady was:

2nd in TDs (40)
2nd in Completions (401)
5th in Passing yards (4,633)
6th in Rating (102.2)
20th in Age (43)

Pretty damn good year, similar to 2015. Definitely top 5.



As far as postseason:

1st in TDs (10)
4th in Completions (81)
3rd in Passing yards (1,061)
5th in Rating (98.1)
20th in Age (43)

Brady's the only QB in NFL history to defeat 3 SB MVPs in the postseason. He's also the only QB in NFL history to complete 80% of his passes and throw 3 TDs in one half of the SB. He's also the only QB in NFL history to win a SB in both conferences.

Falling off the cliff, he's not. Lol

 

[Deus Irae]

You think 2020 was Brady's second best season? So what you're telling me is you don't really understand what you're talking about and just grasping on to some emotional straws because you're sad Brady left. Got it.

Brady was indeed on a steady decline and 2020 was definitely not his second best year lol.

He was the MVP in 2017. You appear to have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

[jmt57]

I find it interesting that a certain group on this forum want to scrutinize every Belichick decision of the last twenty years (with the benefit of hindsight, of course), without doing the same to the person they are comparing to BB. Apparently the six Lombardis are all thanks strictly to TB12 and nobody else on any of those teams, while the other 14 seasons are all on the coach and GM. (Also, the 369 turnovers never happened, or were all somebody else's fault.)

Wake up.

Brady elevated Belichick.
Belichick elevated Brady.

The only ones that seem to want to make this into a binary question are sports talk radio hosts with limited knowledge of the game or true contacts, but with a PhD on how to get fans riled up and instigate a contrived controversy. Unfortunately too many gullible fans are buying into that noise.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Very good post but it doesn't explain why BB wouldn't of put him in in the second half. If he was really just lacking focus, or sick, or something of that nature, you had nothing to lose at that time. Put him in? If it was discipline, one half was enough punishment no? Everything you said is fine and the problem lies in the fact that any way you look at it, the situation was BS. I like both guys but one of them is responsible for making the other one leave and one of them is responsible for the defense in that SB. I don't want BB fired, but I'd like him to explain wtf he was doing but he's above that too. The people coming in here and having the balls to say that somehow BB is responsible for the player Brady is today is complete nonsense. Never do we hear that about other players. Somehow even this team's own fans believe that this coach has magical powers and that Brady isn't an elite QB. They aren't saying it but it's implied all over their posts. He's a coach, he's the best coach but still just a coach and he's had some of the biggest fireable offenses in the history of the NFL. That SB and the Brady contract are major blunders. Brees can come back next year if he wants broken arm and all. Anything he wants. They know how to handle a team legend. Bill couldn't help but be Bill, no exceptions. Ridiculous. I said it last year and regardless of anything that happened this year on both teams, you should of given Brady what he wanted he had earned it. I don't want to hear from the old ass hard line clowns saying no one is above the team. I'm not talking about you but they, as much if not more than the Brady ass eaters, are responsible for this **** show we find ourselves in. The media is having a field day with this.

I hear the frustration. BB can be a frustrating guy. Hes not the greatest communicator and that does hurt him publicly. He has his faults no doubt about that.

When it comes to explaining football matters BB is a prick no question. He just has his way of going about his business. There isn't a lot of finesse and suave with him. Hes a hard-line, matter-of-fact, down to brass tax kinda guy. Not a lot of room for warm n fuzziness. Is he an elitist? I dunno. I think he has a great sense of knowing when a topic can get unwieldily so he shuts it down before it starts.

I get the annoyance with the lack of expression and explanation. The man has his reasons and certainly doesn't owe me an explanation for anything he does. All I try to do I understand the situation, gather facts, see thru the noise and come up with my own opinion. I think I've spent a reasonable amount of time, read books on him (Holley is the best) and after 20 years have a good feel for how the man thinks about football and team building.

Basically hes a throwback. If you watch any of the Lombardi, Landry, Noll, Shula, Gibbs, Walsh press conferences BB is the exact same way. He says nothing and when he does say something interesting, it's a lesson. The team is his business and no one - no one will F with it. He needs to have complete control. Players, contracts, media, doctors..everything.

 

[RobertWeathers]

What's worse, benching one of your core starters on D in the Super Bowl or giving up at the end of the 2015 season and then having to go to Denver for the AFCCG?

You might not recall how at the end of the 2015 season ...

we didn't have a running game
our o-line was pathetic
JE had a metal brace under his heel
Gronk was not healthy
LaFell sucked

Protecting Tom that last game was the safe move.

 

[SteveBsFan]

He was the MVP in 2017. You appear to have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Did you read the post it came from? I said his stats were on a decline from 2016 on. And don't pull the "well he won mvp after his stats declined so that means blah blah blah". The point is not debating his performance in 16/17, it's showing the trend.

 

[Tony2046]

You think 2020 was Brady's second best season? So what you're telling me is you don't really understand what you're talking about and just grasping on to some emotional straws because you're sad Brady left. Got it.

Brady was indeed on a steady decline and 2020 was definitely not his second best year lol.

Check your drawers bub, because you clearly just shyt your pants.

Great googly moogly.

 

[Tony2046]

Btw check my account. I've been on this board since 2006. I just don't post here often because I find most Patriots fans to be dumb as ****

I'm glad you don't post much because you're dumb as shyt.

 

[sb1]

Like with spygate, benching Butler and throwing away a Super Bowl would have gotten any other coach fired.

The idea that trash like Richards, BadMostly, Rowe and Chung out of position and getting stuck with hilarious mismatches vs Eagles offensive linemen vs the run was a better "football decision" than your best tackling corner vs an RPO offense is asinine. Max Lane vs Reggie White looks like a genius decision compared to that. Bill must think we're idiots to buy that nonsense.

 

[jmt57]

Like with spygate, benching Butler and throwing away a Super Bowl would have gotten any other coach fired.

The idea that trash like Richards, BadMostly, Rowe and Chung out of position and getting stuck with hilarious mismatches vs Eagles offensive linemen vs the run was a better "football decision" than your best tackling corner vs an RPO offense is asinine. Max Lane vs Reggie White looks like a genius decision compared to that. Bill must think we're idiots to buy that nonsense.

So he should have been fired after going 16-0.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

You think 2020 was Brady's second best season? So what you're telling me is you don't really understand what you're talking about and just grasping on to some emotional straws because you're sad Brady left. Got it.

Brady was indeed on a steady decline and 2020 was definitely not his second best year lol.

<Shannon Sharpe has entered the chat>

 

[Joker]

I'm glad you don't post much because you're dumb as shyt.

thank you Mr. Tact for that succinct response....

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Players are mercenaries who do what's best for them (as they should). In many cases, that's about finding a team desperate enough to grossly overpay them (Mookie), or look for some "respect"

Desperate move by Dodgers and Bucs. Those suckers are regretting it now.

 

[Boomer B]

Desperate move by Dodgers and Bucs. Those suckers are regretting it now.

Tony was right, he really is dumb as shyt

 

[AlexB]

Did you read the post it came from? I said his stats were on a decline from 2016 on. And don't pull the "well he won mvp after his stats declined so that means blah blah blah". The point is not debating his performance in 16/17, it's showing the trend.

You said he was declining from 2016 on (so that means 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019) and that is clearly wrong. 2016 was an MVP caliber year and 2017 was an actual MVP year.

Did you mean he was on decline for 2018 and 2019 (2 years, not 4 years)? His stats did take a hit, but talent around him was also considerably worse.

 

[TheRainMaker]

You might not recall how at the end of the 2015 season ...

we didn't have a running game
our o-line was pathetic
JE had a metal brace under his heel
Gronk was not healthy
LaFell sucked

Protecting Tom that last game was the safe move.

It actually started against the Jets. They uncharacteristically ran the ball a lot in the 1st half and even on 3rd downs. Only in the 2nd half when the game was in reach they started throwing. You’d think they’d just take care of the pathetic Jets, then lock up HFA throughout and rest everybody week 17. Nope.

Michael Lombardi said they did this on purpose as they didn’t want to risk any more injuries and they weren’t afraid to go back to Denver. If that was the case, why even play your starters? Their arrogance came back to haunt them in the AFCCG.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

I agree with you and BBs legacy is fine in my house but it has clearly taken a hit outside of it.

Bill is the GOAT... With that said, if he cannot field a winning team by end of 2022 season and the arrow is not pointing up, it COULD be time. Not because he isnt the goat. Even winning cultures can tire and not work anymore. However, its been one season. People here need to chill.

 

[Biffins]

Your cut and paste and regurgitation of tired, lazy arguments game is on point.

Otherwise called facts

 

[Deus Irae]

Did you read the post it came from? I said his stats were on a decline from 2016 on. And don't pull the "well he won mvp after his stats declined so that means blah blah blah". The point is not debating his performance in 16/17, it's showing the trend.

I read your posts. As I said, you don't know what you're talking about. And you didn't actually say that his stats were in decline (which is both misleading and not entirely true). You said that Brady was on a steady decline, which is not the same.

Brady was indeed on a steady decline and 2020 was definitely not his second best year lol.

Belichick criticism mega-thread

 

[Biffins]

Yeah. The Eagles went something ridiculous like 12 for 18 on 3rd and 4th down. I think they only punted once. Couldn't defend the RPO. Two or three plays on those downs that changed an Eagles score into a punt or turnover and Pats win.

It doesn't matter where Butler's mind was at. There is no way that our best tackling corner wouldn't have been able to make two or three plays that would have been the difference in the outcome of this football game. That's it - just 2 or 3 plays. He didn't have to dominate like Deion Sanders or Darrelle Revis in that game.

At least by halftime it should have been apparent that Richards and BadMostly and Rowe weren't able to do that.

BB for whatever reason threw away a Super Bowl with that decision. I wish I knew why.

How can ANYONE advocate that playing Jordan frickin Richards and Bademosi over Butler made ANY sense. "not locked in". Whatever man. Still better than a locked in Richards or Bademosi.