Belichick criticism mega-thread

[Biffins]

FIRST TAKE | Stephen A. "ridiculous" Bill Belichick legacy collapsed with the departure of Tom Brady​

 

[Biffins]

Biffins is classic Trump. Uses Fox News to get the Trumpers spun up in a tizzy when good debate/discussion is what is needed/appropriate.

What does Trump have to do with Belichick's blunder in booting Brady?

Strawman much?

 

[Deus Irae]

BTW, I just want to point out that I still consider BB to be one of the greatest coaches of all time. Sure he had Brady, but it was BB who was able to take advantage of that gift for 20 years. It's much the same way as I think people should look at Walsh in SF. Walsh was an offensive genius who was able to take advantage of the current rules and the Elitest of elite QBs to put together a (basically) 15 year run of brilliance. BB is a defensive genius, who was able to take advantage of the current rules and the Elitest of elite QBs to put together a (basically) 20 year run of brilliance.

Neither coach would have accomplished anything near that without those QBs, but both coaches were able to take good advantage, and that's a greatness in itself.

 

[sb1]

Yeah but they weren't unhappy for long when they soon realized BB was right.
The defense was far better w/o milloy abd secondary faster. And of course Rodney was lights out.
Brady totally different situation.
But even though BB ****ed up on this one, it was understandable how he did, given all the variables and it also does nothing to diminish his goat status imo.
I think hed love a mulligan on this one.
I always have and still am a huge fan of BOTH Brady and Belichick.
But qb is BY FAR the most important position in all of team sports.
A great qb is has a bigger impact on winning than a great coach. Even BB himself has said this. Anyone who says
otherwise( not you sb1)doesnt really know nfl football.

Couldn't agree more. Peyton Manning took Jim Caldwell to a Super Bowl and nobody would call Caldwell a good coach. Heck Brady took Arians to a Super Bowl title. Nuff said. Gimme the great QB over the great coach anytime.

Bill ultimately wanted the reboot, he wanted it when JG was here and eventually for better or worse he got it. It better pay off for his job's sake.

I also think Bill made the same PR mistake with Milloy that he made with Kosar. He might have been right in the end but I don't think that was the best way to approach it. They could have kept both Milloy and Rodney (I think?) Milloy was a pro bowler too wasn't he?

 

[RobertWeathers]

What does Trump have to do with Belichick's blunder in booting Brady?

Strawman much?

It doesn't

It has everything to do with your behavior.

 

[203Pat]

The pearl clutchers always make me laugh. “My heavens a thread that doesn’t praise Bill?!? Well I never!” It’s football, it’s not life and death.

 

[Biffins]

Nick Wright says Tom needs a chip on his shoulder to motivate himself (199th pick, Manning adulation, too old, etc) and now the chip is Belichick

 

[TheRainMaker]

Was Payton responsible for Brees?

This one you could actually make an argument for. Brees was okay in SD and had his moments. But they drafted Eli/traded for Rivers for a reason. His rotator cuff injury had nothing to do with the Chargers moving on from Brees with Rivers.

Brees then exploded when teaming up with Payton.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Milloy was not a fiasco. I remember vividly I was one of the very few who was100% behind BB from the getgo when he dumped Milloy. Milloy was by then a very mediocre player and a shadow of his former self. And we picked up a far superior player in Rodney.
Milloy was a liability and overpriced at that point. I was absolutely flabbergasted at the time that people were upset at the time. It was addition by subtraction and BB was certainly proven right. But it was a nobrainer.
Absolutely no comparison to Brady. Brady had lost very little and was stuck with the worst skill position players in the nfl.
I cant say anything negative about Brady or BB. Theyre both the goats and both have been for years. But BB ****ed up.
That's a fact.

It was a fiasco and it came out of left field right before the season started. The timing was terrible. Milloy certainly had a mediocre season in 2002, but people don't want to acknowledge that Ty Law also had a mediocre season in 2002. The original plan was for Milloy and Harrison to team up at Safety. If it wasn't, Milloy would've been released a lot earlier than days before the season opener.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This one you could actually make an argument for. Brees was okay in SD and had his moments. But they drafted Eli/traded for Rivers for a reason. His rotator cuff injury had nothing to do with the Chargers moving on from Brees with Rivers.

Brees then exploded when teaming up with Payton.

AJ Smith never liked Brees.

 

[TheRainMaker]

AJ Smith never liked Brees.

Or the Coach.

 

[TheRainMaker]

BTW, I just want to point out that I still consider BB to be one of the greatest coaches of all time. Sure he had Brady, but it was BB who was able to take advantage of that gift for 20 years. It's much the same way as I think people should look at Walsh in SF. Walsh was an offensive genius who was able to take advantage of the current rules and the Elitest of elite QBs to put together a (basically) 15 year run of brilliance. BB is a defensive genius, who was able to take advantage of the current rules and the Elitest of elite QBs to put together a (basically) 20 year run of brilliance.

Neither coach would have accomplished anything near that without those QBs, but both coaches were able to take good advantage, and that's a greatness in itself.

I give BB the benefit of the doubt just like Phil Jackson with Jordan's Bulls. Jackson wasn't Jackson yet, but he was the difference when he went to the Lakers. I'm a die hard Lakers fan and saw that the Shaq/pre starting Kobe were still loaded, but were horribly coached by Del Harris. In fact, I don't think Shaq and prime Kobe win a title together. Pre Jackson Lakers played as individuals too often and as Dennis Rodman said during his time with the Lakers, "they were soft and entitled".

 

[Kargetina]

I was team Bill+Tom for the longest time and I didn’t care that Bill took way more credit than any coach in any sport ever because the team was a well oiled machine and they both contributed to it. That all stopped when Bill decided to publicly embarrass the player that saved the dynasty with one miraculous play and broke the ten year draught of ridiculously bad luck. He had 4 hours to change his mind and put him into the game and he never did, never apologized to the players and never offered any explanation.

People say Pete Carroll’s call was the worst in SB history but it was a 60 second decision, he didn’t have a do-over. Bill could have played Butler even in the 4th quarter, he most certainly would have contributed more than Bademosi, Rowe and Richards. He stubbornly stuck to his choice while the Eagles made a minced meat of his defense for 60 minutes and Brady, Gronk and Amendola desperately fought back drive-for-drive for 55 minutes until the strip-sack. That a 500 yards 3/0 TD/INT performance by Brady wasn’t enough, says it all.

Ever since then, i’ve been completely on team Tom. Belichick thought sticking with his decision is more important than giving the 53 players the best chance to win the game.

And after 20 years, pretending that Brady is not different than Duron Harmon or Reche Caldwell, so we can treat him as such? Winning is not everything, especially after 6 titles. There’s also gratitude, respect and appreciation for the best player to ever played the game, who deserved to retire as such even if it meant that betting on him didn’t work for a season or even two.

But to quote Skip Bayless, there’s one man you don’t bet against and that’s Tom Brady.

 

[oldrover]

I just want to point out that I still consider BB to be one of the greatest coaches of all time. Sure he had Brady, but it was BB who was able to take advantage of that gift for 20 years.

Also, BB is still one ring ahead of Brady.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Or the Coach.

Interesting read.

Why Did the Chargers Let Drew Brees Go?

There is still a lot of confusion as to why Drew Brees is in New Orleans and why Philip Rivers remained in San Diego. Here's why.

www.boltsfromtheblue.com

 

[bormio]

So much noise and fury, signifying nothing

 

[Bella*chick]

Also, BB is still one ring ahead of Brady.

For now.

 

[Vindicate]

I was team Bill+Tom for the longest time and I didn’t care that Bill took way more credit than any coach in any sport ever because the team was a well oiled machine and they both contributed to it. That all stopped when Bill decided to publicly embarrass the player that saved the dynasty with one miraculous play and broke the ten year draught of ridiculously bad luck. He had 4 hours to change his mind and put him into the game and he never did, never apologized to the players and never offered any explanation.

People say Pete Carroll’s call was the worst in SB history but it was a 60 second decision, he didn’t have a do-over. Bill could have played Butler even in the 4th quarter, he most certainly would have contributed more than Bademosi, Rowe and Richards. He stubbornly stuck to his choice while the Eagles made a minced meat of his defense for 60 minutes and Brady, Gronk and Amendola desperately fought back drive-for-drive for 55 minutes until the strip-sack. That a 500 yards 3/0 TD/INT performance by Brady wasn’t enough, says it all.

Ever since then, i’ve been completely on team Tom. Belichick thought sticking with his decision is more important than giving the 53 players the best chance to win the game.

And after 20 years, pretending that Brady is not different than Duron Harmon or Reche Caldwell, so we can treat him as such? Winning is not everything, especially after 6 titles. There’s also gratitude, respect and appreciation for the best player to ever played the game, who deserved to retire as such even if it meant that betting on him didn’t work for a season or even two.

But to quote Skip Bayless, there’s one man you don’t bet against and that’s Tom Brady.

I can homerize the hell out of any Belichick fault. Well, almost any fault. I think I'm a bit light on the Brady thing compared to most, honestly.

One thing I will never understand is benching Malcolm. And we'll never hear the real answer. Like, really, all you had to do was stick him in for a single quarter and I bet the Patriots would've won. The domino effect of pushing everyone else up in coverage responsibilities really toppled any defensive effort.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Interesting read.

Why Did the Chargers Let Drew Brees Go?

There is still a lot of confusion as to why Drew Brees is in New Orleans and why Philip Rivers remained in San Diego. Here's why.

www.boltsfromtheblue.com

As the article mentions, I disagree Brees would've received a long term contract and Rivers gets traded had he not gotten injuries. Brees wasn't that great in SD and their teams were ever contenders, just pests. They made the playoffs only once in his 5 years there.

 

[skinnydog]

I can homerize the hell out of any Belichick fault. Well, almost any fault. I think I'm a bit light on the Brady thing compared to most, honestly.

One thing I will never understand is benching Malcolm. And we'll never hear the real answer. Like, really, all you had to do was stick him in for a single quarter and I bet the Patriots would've won. The domino effect of pushing everyone else up in coverage responsibilities really toppled any defensive effort.

Yeah, in the Super Bowl it’s somehow a good idea to bench the defensive player who had been on the field for the most snaps that season and thereby create a chain reaction of multiple DBs playing out of position. Still passed about that and I can’t imagine how the playeRs felt