Stidham already back at it

[RobertWeathers]

This goddamn picture speaks volumes.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Stidham is a scrub! If they thought he had any chance to develop that would have played him in the last two games. It was the perfect time to get him some game reps. Lets all agree that one of the main reasons that Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Rivers have been so good over the years is the amount of reps they have under their belts. The more you play, the more you see, the easier it becomes to diagnose coverages, protection, etc.

The #1 thing you need in a QB is reps! Watson and Lawrence played a few years of big time college football, they had plenty of reps under their belt. Unlike the Jamarcus Russell, Mitchell Trubisky, and a million other one year wonders. Joe Burrow would seem to be the exception to that list, but then again, we only have a half a season to judge that.

So if game reps are what QBs need most, if you had any thought that Stidham could play, wouldn't you put him in? This is not a James White/ Harris situation, they didn't play their rookie years because a) they had other backs ahead of them and b) you can't put a RB (especially a 3rd down back) in a game if he doesn't know pass protection (you would get your franchise QB killed (a problem the Pats no longer have).

As much as I liked how Cam went about his business last year, he was awful, he couldn't throw, and time and time again he came up short in crunch time (I'm all for bringing him back in a Taysom Hill type role). In the few times they put Stidham in, he was awfuler (I know its not a real word).

Yes, the Pats need a QB, but it ain't going to be Stidham. That decision has already been made.

 

[RIpats88]

Dude lost out to a QB who had a bum shoulder and only threw for 8tds (3 in the last game). He should be embarrassed

 

[Kdo5]

Stidhim will be here competing. Anything he does to get better is great. He is a 3rd year player. Some people are harsh on young players because their lives suck and they need to channel their misery onto others to feel better about themselves.

Good for Stidhim, I hope he wins the starting job and has a great career so all the haters can eat the crap they've been spewing.

I’ve been hard on him but toward the end of the season I felt he was done wrong. We all knew Cam was absolute garbage, had no future here, were out of the playoffs and yet we didn’t even give Stidham a single start with a weeks practice and first team reps.

Dont tell me “doing what gives us the best chance to win” because we played Cam Newton all season.

 

[50-yard-line]

Good. Glad to see it.

I’m not a Stidham “hater” as in I’m mad at him for anything he’s done. I just don’t think he’s a capable NFL player. He wasn’t given a chance to prepare as a starter for a reason. Bill doesn’t view him as a potential starter or even a capable backup apparently. I agree that if Bill drafts a guy he likely won’t start as a rookie but Stidham wasn’t a rookie last year.

He had one camp, though, because of COVID. It's reasonable to believe he's behind. Same with Harry and the rest.

 

[1960Pats]

Yea I didn't want to make it sound like BB turned a bum into a winner. Brady clearly always had the fire and desire to win. I just think BB enhanced that and steered him away from distractions that can swallow stars.

He drilled in the little things like not stressing over a loss. Moving on yet not overlooking your next opponent.

Yup, we had the GOAT QB and the GOAT HC for 20 years and the results left us with something that will never even come close to being duplicated. And the best part is that Goody & the 32 spent most of that time trying to stop them and couldn't.

 

[sb1]

Stidham: 24-48, 270 yards, 2 TD, 4 INT, 46.4 rating
JG (2014-2015): 20-31 188 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 91.9 rating

Neither guy got "reps with the first team" or practice time. And still it's like night and day.

Bill didn't hesitate to name one guy the starter when he needed to. The other guy was demoted not in his rookie year but in his second year from QB1 to QB3. Got back to QB2 not by his doing but by default, and was still kept on the bench behind a broken down QB1 who can't throw.

One guy actually looked like a promising NFL QB. The other guy doesn't. One guy is good. The other guy stinks.

It's that simple.

 

[p8ryts]

Jerzy Kozinski for the win!

Did they make a movie of it or something?

Don't remember it. They did "Being there". Glad somebody caught the reference.

 

[1960Pats]

Brady already had amazing work ethic. You cannot teach that.

This is what we lost:

The unglamorous life of Tom Brady: From cleaning toilets to hauling cement

It wasn’t always Super Bowls and supermodels for Tom Brady. It was more like cleaning toilets and hauling cement.

www.yahoo.com

That might be the best Brady article that I've ever read, and I've read a lot of them.

 

[sb1]

Dude lost out to a QB who had a bum shoulder and only threw for 8tds (3 in the last game). He should be embarrassed

Also lost his job to a journeyman backup in the summer. From QB1 to QB3. Ouch. There's only one reason why in a rebuilding year Bill would jump all over signing a guy like Cam when he became available. Yes Pick Six got back to QB2 but it wasn't because of anything he did it was only because Hoyer vomited all over himself and his team in the Chiefs game. If Pick Six Throne Boy was a real NFL prospect with any promise at all, we would see him move forward in his second year, not backward.

Stidham stinks. Anyone who watched Auburn knew it, 31 other teams who ignored him in the draft knew it, Bill knows it , Josh knows it, and most of us know it too. A guy who crumbled at the tiniest bit of pressure both on the field and off has no business being on this team and taking the torch from the greatest QB that this league will ever see.

 

[1960Pats]

His whole situation honestly confuses me. I don't know how he was good enough to be the only other QB behind Brady a year ago (as a rookie!!), but then couldn't beat out the corpse of Cam Newton the following year, and got passed over in favor of Hoyer in the KC game. If Brady suffered a 2008-type accident last year, Stidham would have been the starter for the rest of the year. That feels like a Curtis Painter situation, but I just can't imagine Belichick allowing that, so I have to think he had some level of confidence in the kid... so did Stidham somehow regress in year 2? Or did Bill simply not have enough confidence in the sophomore in a COVID-crazy season? I'm definitely left scratching my head.

A case could be made that Stidham did something to piss off Belichick and wasn't going to get a chance to play. He did it with Butler.

 

[moosekill]

Good. Glad to see it.

I’m not a Stidham “hater” as in I’m mad at him for anything he’s done. I just don’t think he’s a capable NFL player. He wasn’t given a chance to prepare as a starter for a reason. Bill doesn’t view him as a potential starter or even a capable backup apparently. I agree that if Bill drafts a guy he likely won’t start as a rookie but Stidham wasn’t a rookie last year.

You have been ripping him all year, with no knowledge what so ever. You have no freaking clue.

 

[sb1]

I’ve seen plenty of Jarrett in practice. I see him every day. I’ve seen him for two years. I’m confident that I understand where Jarrett is at in his development. But I also know that our job is to try to go out there and win two football games that we have left. -- Josh McDaniels

There is nothing complimentary to Stidham in that quote at all. Pretty telling what the coaches think of him. If this was just Bill was being stubborn, Josh would not say something like this.

No way he makes the roster. Can't see it at all.

 

[moosekill]

A case could well be made that Bill promised Cam the starting job all season if he agreed to sign with the Pats for pennies. You could then easily make the argument that without a preseason and with practices limited because of Covid in the weeks Cam couldn't play, that Bill thought it best to go with the old professional rather than the second year player who had never started. Further more, one can easily argue that based on what Bill did with the GOAT qb in his second year, that perhaps Bill doesn't want to put young qb's into a position of potential failure before he feels they are ready for it.

Or you can simply say Stidham sucks, as 203 has done since Brady left.

 

[sb1]

A case could well be made that Bill promised Cam the starting job all season if he agreed to sign with the Pats for pennies. You could then easily make the argument that without a preseason and with practices limited because of Covid in the weeks Cam couldn't play, that Bill thought it best to go with the old professional rather than the second year player who had never started. Further more, one can easily argue that based on what Bill did with the GOAT qb in his second year, that perhaps Bill doesn't want to put young qb's into a position of potential failure before he feels they are ready for it.

Or you can simply say Stidham sucks, as 203 has done since Brady left.

The difference is Brady took a massive jump forward from year 1 to year 2. That's what you expect from NFL prospects who have a future in this league. Stidham did the complete opposite in his second year, dropping from presumed starter to sitting behind Hoyer on the depth chart.

And in the KC game, Hoyer got the start. He was horrible. Took a horrendous sack to end the half with the coaches visibly angry after that play. You'd think they'd bench Hoyer right away and put the so called prospect out there after that right? Nope. Hoyer played the rest of the 3rd quarter. Nuff said. That's what the coaches think of Throne Boy.

 

[PatsDeb]

Yeah I also feel the same way. There is no optimism.. if he works out , let's be appreciative rather than be dismissive.

I think it's in the teams best interests that stidham and Harry work out. Even if they turn out to be above average that's a win win for us. It's nit as if we have quarterbacks clamoring to join us or we have a unlimited pot of cap. We need all the luck to get back in contention and stidham and Harry panning out is like penny stocks turning into a tesla. So we should root all the more for these guys to pan out..

The pessimism for me (and I think a lot of others) is that neither Stidham nor Harry seem to have "it," the gutsy, "winner in the NFL" gene, if you will. They've both had plenty of time to show they have what it takes to win in the NFL, and they don't have it. I hope the team moves on from both of them. In my opinion, if either of them (particularly Harry) was going to work out, he would have already done so. "It" isn't there.

 

[sb1]

The pessimism for me (and I think a lot of others) is that neither Stidham nor Harry seem to have "it," the gutsy, "winner in the NFL" gene, if you will. They've both had plenty of time to show they have what it takes to win in the NFL, and they don't have it. I hope the team moves on from both of them. In my opinion, if either of them (particularly Harry) was going to work out, he would have already done so. "It" isn't there.

Harry - what a mess. Fortunately with Brady's success making Bill look like an ass in 2020 I don't expect to see too many more of Bill's buddies getting a say in who is drafted here or in Harry's case guys who are interview warriors and nothing else.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

When Garret Stidham is depicted holding a trophy, everyone here will say "I was behind him all along"

 

[moosekill]

The difference is Brady took a massive jump forward from year 1 to year 2. That's what you expect from NFL prospects who have a future in this league. Stidham did the complete opposite in his second year, dropping from presumed starter to sitting behind Hoyer on the depth chart.

And in the KC game, Hoyer got the start. He was horrible. Took a horrendous sack to end the half with the coaches visibly angry after that play. You'd think they'd bench Hoyer right away and put the so called prospect out there after that right? Nope. Hoyer played the rest of the 3rd quarter. Nuff said. That's what the coaches think of Throne Boy.

Once again, you may be right, that may well be what the coaches think about him. But you have no freaking clue and are just spouting off to make yourself sound important. If you say it enough it must be true. You don't have any inside information, you are just a blowhard. We will find out next fall.

 

[sb1]

Once again, you may be right, that may well be what the coaches think about him. But you have no freaking clue and are just spouting off to make yourself sound important. If you say it enough it must be true. You don't have any inside information, you are just a blowhard. We will find out next fall.

LOL. I just think it's hilarious that there's so much wishful thinking about this guy when each and every single piece of evidence we have like in game performance and coaches opinion says Throne Boy stinks. Basically all Stiddy lovers have is Brady was a 6th round pick therefore Stiddy MUST be great one day because he was a 4th rounder. Sounds logical. LMAO

Gotta hand it to the Throne Boy lovers still hanging on to the dream. I wouldn't count on that dream still being alive by week 1.