PATRIOTS TRAINING CAMP Training Camp Day 5

[Hercules Rockefeller]

The receivers of old wouldn’t talk about how good they are, go out there and surprise opponents who overlooked them. Then they win championships. Brown, Branch, Givens, and Edelman.

The current crop post on social media about how ripped they are and how they’re about to break out, taking a pre-emptive victory muscle flex. Then they face plant. Sanu and Harry.

Edelman enjoys social media and attention. The other three played for the team before any of the social media you decry. There's no connection there. If they play well, they play well, and if not they do not. You are reading tarot cards.

 

[TomPatriot]

The Patriots brought in Alfred Haynesworth.

Why stop there? Chad Ochocinco, Adalius Thomas . . . and the beat goes on . . .

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Why stop there? Chad Ochocinco, Adalius Thomas . . . and the beat goes on . . .

Adalius only became a problem with the Pats, and not even right away. Ocho and Haynesworth, Corey Dillon, Moss... but Adalius was fine until he suddenly wasn't after he got sent home on a snowy day for being late.

 

[TomPatriot]

I have a feeling the gdt's this season are going to be so much fun.

Yeah, it’s like Chicken Little meets Game Night. Well, at least you’ll be there as Kindergarten Cop!

 

[captain stone]

If that’s the case, he’s looking about the same as the majority of our top picks since 2013. The lone exception being Wynn and *maybe* Michel if his knee isn’t completely destroyed already.

Fuhgeddabout Soreknee Michelle: she's another Bust.

But I would take back Malcolm Brown right now.

 

[captain stone]

Any news on those TE's we drafted??

Zolak said they're terrible so far and their best TE is Izzo

Everyone else has said Asiasi has been promising and getting better as the practices go on.

I think FCB's reply might've been made with tongue a bit in cheek...Asiasi has been impressive supposedly, especially earlier in camp...Dalton Should've Drafted Adam Trautman Keene, on the other hand, has reportedly been invisible...

 

[captain stone]

The Patriots brought in Alfred Haynesworth...

...and lived to regret it, same as with OchoStinko...as some of us predicted.

 

[Deus Irae]

 

[luuked]

It's embarrassing bc once we signed Cam any respectable, objective football mind knew Cam was starting if he's right. The idea that Hoyer could beat out Cam is absolutely comical.

Bingo you put your own conditional into that sentence. If he is right. And that was exactly Hoyer's path to be a starter and reason for being signed. The steady, uninspiring and inconsistent QB who can run the offense the way McDaniels wants it to.

But you said:

He has a very specific & arguably special role here but its NOT playing QB.

Which somehow didn't include any conditional about Newton being fine but clearly said he is not here to be a QB. Which goes against everything that was reported and indicated to various beat guys from Hoyer himself and his agent. Moreover we have also seen all this play out exactly as reported with our own eyes in the first week of camp when Hoyer got the same amount of reps as Newton and Stidham. He got the same chance to contend for the spot as everyone else.

Again a far cry from "he is not here to play QB".

Obviously, if Cam is right and didn't lose his mental faculties he will most likely beat out both Stidham and Hoyer. But that is besides the point. It is not embarassing to say that Hoyer had a path to be the starter but simply a matter of fact.

As for the "beat" guys. Well we've been through this before. You clearly hold these guys in higher regard than me. Very few are useful, provide decent insight & are generally ok but again they're few & far between.

I hold their experience and -- above all -- their access higher than anyone on this board. Hate the sports media aspect and all the flashy/click-baity headlines all you want but they are sitting closer to the source than probably all of us ever will.

And just because Howe reported on April 27th that nothing has changed between the Pats and Newton doesn't mean he was wrong then when two months later the same player signed for peanuts because his camp realized that there was not much else out there.

I don't really understand where you antagonism towards sports journalists is coming from -- and I say specifically journalists to not include your Felgers or Breers in that group.

Even a bozo like Volin has built up rapport with either league office folks or a bunch of agents as he is the one who almost always has contract breakdowns first. Coming from the draft world you should know as well as anyone how important "access" is and how hard you have to work to get there.


Anyway, whatever.. what we can definitely agree on is that Newton will start and Stidham will most probably end up being his backup once healthy. Whether they carry Hoyer for COVID reasons once Stidham is fully back will remain to be seen.

 

[long distance]

Wouldn't it make more sense to give Newton and Stidham more reps in that scenario ? You'd think one of the two would be QB2 and needed the reps more than the guy who only is there to run the scout team and give guidance, right ?

I'd love to understand where this hate and cognitive bias against Hoyer is coming from. He is clearly not starter quality but he is also better than many of the career backups, otherwise he wouldn't have stayed in the league for 11 years getting multi million dollar deals from multiple teams.

I have zero hate vs Hoyer. Or any player, you know that. I actually like him as a presence & i like he is on the team. I just see him similar to how BGC described it - a welcome presence in QB room that will see the field only in absolute emergency.

And even in that situation i dont think Pats are doomed. Despite his poor showings in Indy im sure he would look more capable in BBs hands and the team would remain competitive as BB teams always are.

I dont think it makes much sense to overthink any week 1 corona TC stats.
This year unfortunately emergency is almost a given so all QBs have to be ready as much as possible.

The only slight TC/roster surprise is only one kicker esp. after what happened last yr. That might be due to the fact that Bailey is a very solid kicker backup, although they did not choose to use him last yr, or they might be confident in their shadow roster at the position

And very thin OL (not to mention tackle). In a year game roster can have one more OL (and in a year wo Dante) i would expect deeper, stronger TC group..

 

[Jackson 2]

I think FCB's reply might've been made with tongue a bit in cheek...Asiasi has been impressive supposedly, especially earlier in camp...Dalton Should've Drafted Adam Trautman Keene, on the other hand, has reportedly been invisible...

That's reportedly incorrect according to Phil Perry and Tom Curran. You can listen to it on their podcast.

 

[Jackson 2]

...and lived to regret it, same as with OchoStinko...as some of us predicted.

Fuhgeddabout Soreknee Michelle: she's another Bust.

But I would take back Malcolm Brown right now.

Why did you refer to him as "she?"

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Bingo you put your own conditional into that sentence. If he is right. And that was exactly Hoyer's path to be a starter and reason for being signed. The steady, uninspiring and inconsistent QB who can run the offense the way McDaniels wants it to.

But you said:


Which somehow didn't include any conditional about Newton being fine but clearly said he is not here to be a QB. Which goes against everything that was reported and indicated to various beat guys from Hoyer himself and his agent. Moreover we have also seen all this play out exactly as reported with our own eyes in the first week of camp when Hoyer got the same amount of reps as Newton and Stidham. He got the same chance to contend for the spot as everyone else.

Again a far cry from "he is not here to play QB".

Obviously, if Cam is right and didn't lose his mental faculties he will most likely beat out both Stidham and Hoyer. But that is besides the point. It is not embarassing to say that Hoyer had a path to be the starter but simply a matter of fact.



I hold their experience and -- above all -- their access higher than anyone on this board. Hate the sports media aspect and all the flashy/click-baity headlines all you want but they are sitting closer to the source than probably all of us ever will.

And just because Howe reported on April 27th that nothing has changed between the Pats and Newton doesn't mean he was wrong then when two months later the same player signed for peanuts because his camp realized that there was not much else out there.

I don't really understand where you antagonism towards sports journalists is coming from -- and I say specifically journalists to not include your Felgers or Breers in that group.

Even a bozo like Volin has built up rapport with either league office folks or a bunch of agents as he is the one who almost always has contract breakdowns first. Coming from the draft world you should know as well as anyone how important "access" is and how hard you have to work to get there.


Anyway, whatever.. what we can definitely agree on is that Newton will start and Stidham will most probably end up being his backup once healthy. Whether they carry Hoyer for COVID reasons once Stidham is fully back will remain to be seen.

You're not making much sense.

Starting a game bc Cam & Stid are injured is not the same as being the starter. That's literally his only way to playing & literally exactly what I've been saying.

That's NOT what this muppet was saying or alluding to. He's clearly saying Hoyer might be the starter week 1 bc of a "better grasp". Yes that's embarrassing. No coach is bringing in Cam. Sitting him while healthy for a week or two bc Brian F'n Hoyer has a "better grasp" then going back to Cam.

It doesn't work that. I don't need "sources" or "access" to know that.

Regarding the media, I have antagonism against them. I just see them for what they are. Useful, sometimes insightful, sometimes full of ****. I'm just not in awe of these guys.

Some are incredibly smart, hard working & creative but let's be honest none of the guys you mentioned are any that. They're good but you find multiple of each if you're being honest.

I speak regularly to guys that write for BR, Roto, SB, USA today ... Draft, Fantasy, NFL ... Even a few guys that cover the Pats for smaller outlets. There's no dislike or hate or w/e.

Lastly regarding what/who told Hoyer and his team what is irrelevant. Seriously who else was knocking down his door? And what happened this week is exactly what was going to happen.

You honestly think Bill is showing his hand this early ... With this motley crew of Cam, Stid & Hoyer. No way.

Bill isn't handing Cam the starting job day 1 in practice after he's been here for an hour. Not how he operates.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I have zero hate vs Hoyer. Or any player, you know that. I actually like him as a presence & i like he is on the team. I just see him similar to how BGC described it - a welcome presence in QB room that will see the field only in absolute emergency.

And even in that situation i dont think Pats are doomed. Despite his poor showings in Indy im sure he would look more capable in BBs hands and the team would remain competitive as BB teams always are.

I dont think it makes much sense to overthink any week 1 corona TC stats.
This year unfortunately emergency is almost a given so all QBs have to be ready as much as possible.

The only slight TC/roster surprise is only one kicker esp. after what happened last yr. That might be due to the fact that Bailey is a very solid kicker backup, although they did not choose to use him last yr, or they might be confident in their shadow roster at the position

And very thin OL (not to mention tackle). In a year game roster can have one more OL (and in a year wo Dante) i would expect deeper, stronger TC group..

 

[long distance]

Yep

I hope they read the OL/OT part as well

 

[SHOWTIME15]

 

[long distance]

Lazar is so cute; yep its all about how a guy performs in front of media for BB..

 

[Sciz]

The Patriots.com guys said the goalpost was twisted to be a smaller target, which means what looked close to missing would’ve been nowhere near a miss at normal width.

 

[captain stone]

Why did you refer to him as "she?"

Oops, I must've made a mistake...like Parcells & Glenn...

 

[captain stone]

Billy's Worst 5th-Round Pick Evah...nailed it.