NFL to propose to improve a team's draft position if it hires a person of color as HC or GM

[iapatsfan]

Here's a good article about Newton and breaks down completion % versus accuracy. I've noticed for a long time what this article also argues, which is that completion % often rewards QBs who throw a lot of screens and dumpoffs. For example, watch a Saints game with Mr. 70% and tell me, honestly, how many of those throws are actually into a tight, contested windows downfield. Not many. When Tedy Bridgewater came off the bench last year, he hit on 68%.

What they get wrong about the Panthers

We're now comparing the pure passing ability of Cam Newton to Drew Brees? Yep...this seems legitimate.

Racism has to be the only explanation because we have got an athletic 6'5" Drew Brees as a free agent out there and none of the GM's seem to realize it. Who knew?

 

[iapatsfan]

As a statistical metric? No.

As something a QB needs to be more often than not so his team can move the football and score touchdowns?

Absolutely.

So all of the discussion about the absolute importance of accuracy for an NFL QB is BS? You guys are really struggling here. Now we're to the point of claiming accuracy really isn't that important.

 

[Joker]

another football thread turned into a reprehensible political shytstorm by InfernalClaptrap....SSDD

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

We're now comparing the pure passing ability of Cam Newton to Drew Brees? Yep...this seems legitimate.

Racism has to be the only explanation because we have got an athletic 6'5" Drew Brees as a free agent out there and none of the GM's seem to realize it. Who knew?

Which part of the article do you take issue with?

I don't like Cam. His dancing and antics bother me; I know a bunch of people in NC who claim the guy is an ass hat and a terrible teammate. Fair to say, I haven't liked him since he was a douchebag in college. I would hate to see the Pats sign him.

But we're talking about completion percentage versus accuracy. If he is "inaccurate" then why is his completion pct on balls thrown 5+ yards among the very best in the NFL?

Cam is certainly a better downfield passer than Brees. You'd have to be crazy to think otherwise. Brees throws ducks, despite being in a dome.

 

[RobertWeathers]

So all of the discussion about the absolute importance of accuracy for an NFL QB is BS? You guys are really struggling here. Now we're to the point of claiming accuracy really isn't that important.

QBs are measured on....

Wins
Team Points
1st downs
Championships
4th Qtr comebacks
Game-winning drives
Leadership
Game Management
Decision-making

Some of the greatest QBs of all-time were not as accurate as TB12, AR or Brees but were outstanding at all of the key points above.

Yes, a QB needs to be accurate but that is not directly correlated to comp %.

 

[lancerman]

QBs are measured on....

Wins
Team Points
1st downs
Championships
4th Qtr comebacks
Game-winning drives
Leadership
Game Management
Decision-making

Some of the greatest QBs of all-time were not as accurate as TB12, AR or Brees but were outstanding at all of the key points above.

Yes, a QB needs to be accurate but that is not directly correlated to comp %.

Sorry this is wrong. They are measured on if the QB had a 59% completion percentage or not

 

[amfootball]

Football is the game that came up with "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing" and now we're suppose to believe that teams aren't trying to win because they're racist. I'm not buying that.

If a coach of any shape or color gave an owner a chance to win I think that they'd jump at it. The real question is why isn't that happening. Are there less minorities coaching because they don't aspire to become coaches?

Good point. Owners only care about one color - green. That has been proven with the rise of the black QBs over the past several years. I have no idea about the coaches/GM and why there are not more but it would be good to know how many are actually applying for the jobs. Like I said in a previous post, playing the game and coaching the game are not remotely the same. So it is a false equivalency to say because 70/80 percent of the players are black that the coaches should be a certain percentage of that. I am also not denying that there might be some racism at work but I don't think it is overt, I think it is more that the owners have "their guys" and they don't stray from it much.

BTW for what it's worth, the media, including most black football talking heads and writers, hate this proposal.

 

[mgcolby]

I will never understand how believing most minorities are unable to help themselves or the only way they can be successful is to get an artificial boost isn't out right racist and the very least offensive to them.

You see it all the time with politicians and the SJW's...they can't get an ID to vote because it's to complicated of a process or they can't get to the DMV, because it's to far away and they are obviously to poor to afford transportation.

Makes me shake my head. Most SJW seem to believe that minorities are inept and incapable of surviving on their own, without the help of said SJW and the government.

That is the most belittling way of thinking imaginable and some how it passes as being commpasionate, by far too many.

 

[iapatsfan]

Which part of the article do you take issue with?

I don't like Cam. His dancing and antics bother me; I know a bunch of people in NC who claim the guy is an ass hat and a terrible teammate. Fair to say, I haven't liked him since he was a douchebag in college. I would hate to see the Pats sign him.

But we're talking about completion percentage versus accuracy. If he is "inaccurate" then why is his completion pct on balls thrown 5+ yards among the very best in the NFL?

Cam is certainly a better downfield passer than Brees. You'd have to be crazy to think otherwise. Brees throws ducks, despite being in a dome.

I have plenty of issues with the article.

1. The generalities. "Ruined by his Wrs" "There have been plenty of times" etc.
2. The lack of comparison to other QBs in the league (made one reference to Rodgers)
3. It's poorly written. I did try to click on the link to the more detailed information the author referenced, but the link did not work.
4. The one that really got me was his reference to the 2016 season. He stated that if 59 passes hadn't been "ruined by his receivers" he would have bumped up to 17th in the NFL in terms of completion percentage (hilarious that if we add in his dropped passes he's still only 17th). This is absolutely ridiculous as you would have to also then add in every QBs passes "ruined by his receivers". If you did that, Newton would again fall to the back of the pack as it relates to accuracy.

If I'm right, it is self-evident why he's currently unemployed. The ignorant position is to suggest "racism" or some other invisible evil force is the cause. We'll see.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The new Coronavirus thread.

 

[1960Pats]

I will never understand how believing most minorities are unable to help themselves or the only way they can be successful is to get an artificial boost isn't out right racist and the very least offensive to them.

You see it all the time with politicians and the SJW's...they can't get an ID to vote because it's to complicated of a process or they can't get to the DMV, because it's to far away and they are obviously to poor to afford transportation.

Makes me shake my head. Most SJW seem to believe that minorities are inept and incapable of surviving on their own, without the help of said SJW and the government.

That is the most belittling way of thinking imaginable and some how it passes as being compassionate, by far too many.

I think people feel better when they're working, regardless of the color of their skin.

Voter ID is about the integrity of an election, not race, as some would have us believe.

 

[Nunchucks]

I will never understand how believing most minorities are unable to help themselves or the only way they can be successful is to get an artificial boost isn't out right racist and the very least offensive to them.

You see it all the time with politicians and the SJW's...they can't get an ID to vote because it's to complicated of a process or they can't get to the DMV, because it's to far away and they are obviously to poor to afford transportation.

Makes me shake my head. Most SJW seem to believe that minorities are inept and incapable of surviving on their own, without the help of said SJW and the government.

That is the most belittling way of thinking imaginable and some how it passes as being commpasionate, by far too many.

It starts at childhood when african american children get in trouble more for doing the same things as white kids, they don't get called on in class, their role models are different, they have different dreams...the police hassle them for walking down the street, they get followed by security in stores, they cannot get jobs because they aren't named Steve or Jen even though they have exactly the same resumes, they cannot rent an apartment because that landlord doesn't rent to african americans, they can't get mortgages for "reasons."

It goes on and on and on and on...But, you keep on living in that world where everything is generally the same...."faulk them, you got yours"

 

[Ring 6]

It starts at childhood when african american children get in trouble more for doing the same things as white kids, they don't get called on in class, their role models are different, they have different dreams...the police hassle them for walking down the street, they get followed by security in stores, they cannot get jobs because they aren't named Steve or Jen even though they have exactly the same resumes, they cannot rent an apartment because that landlord doesn't rent to african americans, they can't get mortgages for "reasons."

It goes on and on and on and on...But, you keep on living in that world where everything is generally the same...."faulk them, you got yours"

Well let’s just make things up. That’s a better way right? Half of what you wrote is a lie and the other a wild exaggeration.

 

[IllegalContact]

You're claiming Cam Newton is a quality passing QB. That is the definition of failing. I'm simply stating the obvious. It's not even a debate.

show me where I said that

 

[Ring 6]

Here's a good article about Newton and breaks down completion % versus accuracy. I've noticed for a long time what this article also argues, which is that completion % often rewards QBs who throw a lot of screens and dumpoffs. For example, watch a Saints game with Mr. 70% and tell me, honestly, how many of those throws are actually into a tight, contested windows downfield. Not many. When Tedy Bridgewater came off the bench last year, he hit on 68%.

What they get wrong about the Panthers

Not a good article.
Accuracy isn’t a statistic. Nobody would watch newton play and honestly call him an accurate passer.
That doesn’t mean he stinks, it means it’s one of his weaknesses. Everyone has them.
Newton has used his other strengths to overcome that weakness to an extent.
My issue with newton is that his success depends upon his running ability. With it, he not only adds an additional strength to his game, it also helps him to overcome the weaker parts of his game.
A lame newton trying to be a pocket passer would be pathetic.
Tell me he is able AND WILLING (because he himself says he won’t run anymore) to take the beating that his style of play requires and of course the patriots should sign him and tailor the offense to those strengths.
But without those strengths he is a waste of time and then eating he has taken tell me that even if he is willing I can’t see him making it through a season.

 

[IllegalContact]

You keep using snippets in time as evidence for something. Let me make it simple for you:

He is a career 59% passer.

A 59% completion percentage is bad.

Bad is the opposite of good.

He is now 31.

NFL players don't run as well at 31 as they did when they were younger.

I don't want to go into the whole "refused to dive after a fumble" stuff. I don't want to complicate it for you.

You’re the biggest simp here.

so at what % does a bad QB become good? Only use % as an indicator

 

[Ring 6]

QBs are measured on....

Wins
Team Points
1st downs
Championships
4th Qtr comebacks
Game-winning drives
Leadership
Game Management
Decision-making

Some of the greatest QBs of all-time were not as accurate as TB12, AR or Brees but were outstanding at all of the key points above.

Yes, a QB needs to be accurate but that is not directly correlated to comp %.

Decision making is a huge factor in completion percentage. Poor decision making can both increase or decrease comp % depending on why you are making poor decision ( ie captain checkdown flacco compared to everyone’s open Winston) regardless of differences in accuracy. 2 QBs could have the same comp % on the same throws and still gave accuracy differences such as setting up rac or getting your receiver killed. (Brady’s accuracy actually at times reduced rac and completion % because he threw a lot of low balls that were harder to catch because Jr threw the receiver open and/or threw to the spot where the defender couldn’t affect the throw. )

 

[IllegalContact]

Once again....Is accuracy important for an NFL QB?

mai you’re saying that Tannehill > Wilson......got it

 

[iapatsfan]

You’re the biggest simp here.

so at what % does a bad QB become good? Only use % as an indicator

I'll make it easy and set a 9 year qualifier within the last 10 years. Good (as it relates to completion %) can be defined as not having a career avg that would put you in the bottom 3 of the NFL this past season. As long as you're not there, Ill accept it. All I need is a career avg in the top 29, and I'll listen to the rest. If you can't meet that minimum requirement after 9 years in an era designed to benefit the QB, I'm going to have to place you in backup territory. Talk about grading on a curve.

 

[iapatsfan]

mai you’re saying that Tannehill > Wilson......got it

Nope. However, they'll both be starting this season. Cam won't.