Patriots Dominance Against Opposing QBs Is Staggering So Far

[Redman443]

Remember last year when we were bashing the defense especially the secondary for all the yards they give up? Feels like forever ago

 

[maust]

Right now Gordon isn't even close to being a legit # 1 receiver. And it's quite clear Dorsett shouldn't be higher than a 3 receiver. Neither can create seperation.

If you were a Pats fan you'd know that over the years, with one notable exception, separation in this offense has largely been a product of the scheme

 

[mosslost]

It matters because it takes their suckage into account and creates an average.

Not that hard to grasp...

that is fake news

 

[Tony2046]

opponent adjusted means bupkiss. explain how that matters.

We faced a bunch of third stringers who may not have been able to start on some college squads. ANd Allen just tossed up balloons to the D Backs

PS. And Ben sucks anyway and he was hurt

Lazy take.

Ben wasn't hurt week 1.

All four of the other QBs played much worse when they faced the Pat's Defense. Include last year's playoff run and you'll see the trend.

For example Josh Allen:

Vs Jets - QBR 49. Rating - 71.2
Vs Giants- QBR 62.9. Rating - 101.1
Vs Bengals- QBR 29.4. Rating - 81.1
Vs Patriots- QBR 16.9. Rating- 24.0

Maybe part of the reason those QBs are among the league's basement dwellers is because the Patriots put them there.

 

[mosslost]

Maybe part of the reason those QBs are among the league's basement dwellers is because the Patriots put them there.

maybe.

or may be everyone is just bored and posting all kinds of random stuff

 

[libra957]

If they can rattle Prescott,Wentz and Mahomes then I'll be fully on board.

 

[Patstastic]

stupid users make stupid posts. Jesus.

We have an elite defense. Elite defenses trump elite offenses in the playoffs.

You are really exposing yourself as a bad KC troll.

Things (Injuries, additions) can change between now and week 14. But the schedule and personnel currently favors KC. Patriots will need to be tied record wise or 1 game back before said week 14 game. And obviously they would need to beat the Chiefs.

If the two teams played this Sunday, KC would be favored. Offense doesn't have any game breakers. KC has at least three. Their OL is playing very well. Not so much here. Patriots defense is the best in the league. But you can't discount the QB's they've faced. And as good as they played in the postseason, they still gave up 24 points in one quarter to the Chiefs. It doesn't matter how great a defense is. Unless it's the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens out there, keeping KC under 30 points is a tall task.

This offense needs a legit # 1 receiver receiver and a healthy OL. Having a healthy OL that aren't injury prone will open the run game up. They don't have any of that right now. Gordon might've been a legit # 1 receiver in 2013. He's not now. Dorsett is clearly not even a # 2. Edelman is banged up. Their schedule looks a bit easier than the Pats.

Things may change. Lots of time between now and week 14. But clearly my concerns are valid. Not a KC troll whatsoever.

 

[Patstastic]

If you were a Pats fan you'd know that over the years, with one notable exception, separation in this offense has largely been a product of the scheme

Scheme didn't influence (Aka help) seperation during the 2018 regular season. All I'm saying is KC's offense is 2013 Broncos like. And we all remember how that season ended for the Pats. They were thin on offense due to injuries. Right now the OL and receivers aren't on the same level as the Chiefs. But things could change.

And before anyone asks, yes A.B. would've helped. But he would've did something to get suspended by November. Better to cut ties now than later in the season. Agreeing with the decision to cut AB and saying the offense isn't great can both be true.

 

[SBLIII]

Things (Injuries, additions) can change between now and week 14. But the schedule and personnel currently favors KC. Patriots will need to be tied record wise or 1 game back before said week 14 game. And obviously they would need to beat the Chiefs.

If the two teams played this Sunday, KC would be favored. Offense doesn't have any game breakers. KC has at least three. Their OL is playing very well. Not so much here. Patriots defense is the best in the league. But you can't discount the QB's they've faced. And as good as they played in the postseason, they still gave up 24 points in one quarter to the Chiefs. It doesn't matter how great a defense is. Unless it's the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens out there, keeping KC under 30 points is a tall task.

This offense needs a legit # 1 receiver receiver and a healthy OL. Having a healthy OL that aren't injury prone will open the run game up. They don't have any of that right now. Gordon might've been a legit # 1 receiver in 2013. He's not now. Dorsett is clearly not even a # 2. Edelman is banged up. Their schedule looks a bit easier than the Pats.

Things may change. Lots of time between now and week 14. But clearly my concerns are valid. Not a KC troll whatsoever.

NE would be favored right now. It's not even debatable.

 

[SBLIII]

Things (Injuries, additions) can change between now and week 14. But the schedule and personnel currently favors KC. Patriots will need to be tied record wise or 1 game back before said week 14 game. And obviously they would need to beat the Chiefs.

If the two teams played this Sunday, KC would be favored. Offense doesn't have any game breakers. KC has at least three. Their OL is playing very well. Not so much here. Patriots defense is the best in the league. But you can't discount the QB's they've faced. And as good as they played in the postseason, they still gave up 24 points in one quarter to the Chiefs. It doesn't matter how great a defense is. Unless it's the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens out there, keeping KC under 30 points is a tall task.

This offense needs a legit # 1 receiver receiver and a healthy OL. Having a healthy OL that aren't injury prone will open the run game up. They don't have any of that right now. Gordon might've been a legit # 1 receiver in 2013. He's not now. Dorsett is clearly not even a # 2. Edelman is banged up. Their schedule looks a bit easier than the Pats.

Things may change. Lots of time between now and week 14. But clearly my concerns are valid. Not a KC troll whatsoever.

This defense is a lot better than at ANY point in 2018.

I remember when everyone said that the highest scoring team in the history of FOOTBALL was going to expose the best defense in the league.

End result they scored 8 points in the SB.

 

[maust]

Scheme didn't influence (Aka help) seperation during the 2018 regular season.

When your Chiefs became worth watching?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Things (Injuries, additions) can change between now and week 14. But the schedule and personnel currently favors KC. Patriots will need to be tied record wise or 1 game back before said week 14 game. And obviously they would need to beat the Chiefs.

If the two teams played this Sunday, KC would be favored. Offense doesn't have any game breakers. KC has at least three. Their OL is playing very well. Not so much here. Patriots defense is the best in the league. But you can't discount the QB's they've faced. And as good as they played in the postseason, they still gave up 24 points in one quarter to the Chiefs. It doesn't matter how great a defense is. Unless it's the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens out there, keeping KC under 30 points is a tall task.

This offense needs a legit # 1 receiver receiver and a healthy OL. Having a healthy OL that aren't injury prone will open the run game up. They don't have any of that right now. Gordon might've been a legit # 1 receiver in 2013. He's not now. Dorsett is clearly not even a # 2. Edelman is banged up. Their schedule looks a bit easier than the Pats.

Things may change. Lots of time between now and week 14. But clearly my concerns are valid. Not a KC troll whatsoever.

This is flat out incorrect. If the Patriots and Chiefs played this weekend in Foxboro (which is where they'll play later this year), the Patriots would absolutely be favored, likely by 3 points. All Vegas odds and point spreads have the Patriots favored to win the AFC, and both teams have a relatively close power rating (so homefield is the difference.) The Patriots have lost like one time in the last 50+ games at home vs. AFC squads. So, your take is factual false.

Your take below is nothing more than amateur fan drivel arguing why one team will win a game by pointing out a lot of very one-sided factors, despite that oddsmakers are in opposition to that viewpoint. In addition to the closest thing to invincibility that the NFL has ever seen when it comes to the Patriots at Foxboro, they are at +95 scoring differential whereas KC is at +41. If you want to look at the most obvious factors in determining the strength of a team, that would be the one.

If the two teams played this Sunday, KC would be favored. Offense doesn't have any game breakers. KC has at least three. Their OL is playing very well. Not so much here. Patriots defense is the best in the league. But you can't discount the QB's they've faced. And as good as they played in the postseason, they still gave up 24 points in one quarter to the Chiefs. It doesn't matter how great a defense is. Unless it's the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens out there, keeping KC under 30 points is a tall task.

 

[Patstastic]

This is flat out incorrect. If the Patriots and Chiefs played this weekend in Foxboro (which is where they'll play later this year), the Patriots would absolutely be favored, likely by 3 points. All Vegas odds and point spreads have the Patriots favored to win the AFC, and both teams have a relatively close power rating (so homefield is the difference.) The Patriots have lost like one time in the last 50+ games at home vs. AFC squads. So, your take is factual false.

Your take below is nothing more than amateur fan drivel arguing why one team will win a game by pointing out a lot of very one-sided factors, despite that oddsmakers are in opposition to that viewpoint. In addition to the closest thing to invincibility that the NFL has ever seen when it comes to the Patriots at Foxboro, they are at +95 scoring differential whereas KC is at +41. If you want to look at the most obvious factors in determining the strength of a team, that would be the one.

If the two teams played this Sunday, KC would be favored. Offense doesn't have any game breakers. KC has at least three. Their OL is playing very well. Not so much here. Patriots defense is the best in the league. But you can't discount the QB's they've faced. And as good as they played in the postseason, they still gave up 24 points in one quarter to the Chiefs. It doesn't matter how great a defense is. Unless it's the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens out there, keeping KC under 30 points is a tall task.

Wrong. 2017 vs KC. 2016 vs Buffalo. So..your take is factually wrong too.

You've essentially answered my concerns in a politician type manner. In otherwords, you failed to address the offensive personnel of both teams.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Wrong. 2017 vs KC. 2016 vs Buffalo. So..your take is factually wrong too.

You've essentially answered my concerns in a politician type manner. In otherwords, you failed to address the offensive personnel of both teams.

I didn’t think I’d need to point out that Buffalo game was against the Patriots backups (they pulled Brady and the starters very early) since that’s obviously not the greater point.

 

[SBLIII]

I didn’t think I’d need to point out that Buffalo game was against the Patriots backups (they pulled Brady and the starters very early) since that’s obviously not the greater point.

I think that stat comes from games against Brady and Edelman. Edelman missed the 17 KC game and Jacoby started against Buffalo...

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Wrong. 2017 vs KC. 2016 vs Buffalo. So..your take is factually wrong too.

You've essentially answered my concerns in a politician type manner. In otherwords, you failed to address the offensive personnel of both teams.

Oh sorry, KC has scored 135 points to NE’s 122; NE had been averaging more ppg going into last weekend. On defense, 27 points allowed for NE; 94 for KC. Which of these discrepancies looks more concerning?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I think that stat comes from games against Brady and Edelman. Edelman missed the 17 KC game and Jacoby started against Buffalo...

Oh right, a game with their third-string QB. So, exactly the same point again. New England has been nearly unbeatable at home with Brady playing the whole game.

 

[maust]

In otherwords, you failed to address the offensive personnel of both teams.

You may want to consider the Chefs 408 ypg and 23.5 ppg allowed against some pedestrian offenses when considering what the offensive personnel of the Pats might do to them, particularly in Foxborough before you pass your boys that tourch

 

[Patstastic]

Oh sorry, KC has scored 135 points to NE’s 122; NE had been averaging more ppg going into last weekend. On defense, 27 points allowed for NE; 94 for KC. Which of these discrepancies looks more concerning?

Defenses Faced:

Jags》Steelers

Raiders>Dolphins

Ravens>>>>>Jets

Bills>>Lions.

The bolded defenses KC's offense faced are better than those defenses the Pats offense have played (Except for Buffalo being better than Detroit). 29 points on offense (With AB) was scored against essentially a High School team. Team struggled to move the ball against the Jets in the 2nd half.

Offenses faced:

Steelers>Jags (Ben over either)
Raiders>Dolphins (Carr over whatever Miami has)
Ravens>Jets (Jackson over 3rd stringer)
Lions>Bills (Stafford over Allen & Jackson).

I'd say the Chiefs defense have faced better QB's than the Pats have. But I still believe the Pats defense is better.

Just trying to point out stats aren't everything. Pats have had 2 home games. 2 away. Chiefs have had 3 road games. 1 away.

This is all moot if only one (Or neither) team end up in the AFC title game. It just looks like a AFC championship game rematch is inevitable.

 

[maust]

Defenses Faced:

Jags》Steelers

Raiders>Dolphins

Ravens>>>>>Jets

Bills>>Lions.

The bolded defenses KC's offense faced are better than those defenses the Pats offense have played (Except for Buffalo being better than Detroit). 29 points on offense (With AB) was scored against essentially a High School team. Team struggled to move the ball against the Jets in the 2nd half.

Offenses faced:

Steelers>Jags (Ben over either)
Raiders>Dolphins (Carr over whatever Miami has)
Ravens>Jets (Jackson over 3rd stringer)
Lions>Bills (Stafford over Allen & Jackson).

I'd say the Chiefs defense have faced better QB's than the Pats have. But I still believe the Pats defense is better.

Just trying to point out stats aren't everything. Pats have had 2 home games. 2 away. Chiefs have had 3 road games. 1 away.

This is all moot if only one (Or neither) team end up in the AFC title game. It just looks like a AFC championship game rematch is inevitable.

Keep waving those Chefs pom poms but be careful with that tourch