Hypothetical trade - J Collins back to NE

[Patjew]

There were great moments with Jamie Collins. Judy never blocked an Adam Vinatieri field goal like this:

That’s exactly the kind of play that made dumb fans like me overrate him.

 

[Jackson 2]

That’s exactly the kind of play that made dumb fans like me overrate him.

We weren't alone...

 

[TheRainMaker]

Collins would fit right in with a Rex Ryan style defense. He clearly isn’t a guy that wants to do what he’s told and that’s why he was shipped out.

 

[AlexB]

I can't imagine why the Browns would convert his salary to signing bonus and eat the dead cap to facilitate a trade. They can cut Collins after this season with only 2.5 million dead cap.

That said, if they're actually willing to eat that money so they can get a 7th round pick, I'd do the trade.

 

[BTTA]

I do

Collins blew plays in this defense.

FIFY

 

[XLIX]

When was the last time anyone correctly predicted any in-season NFL trade by anyone?

About 1 month ago when the whole world predicted Josh Gordon to New England.

 

[jimnance]

There is always a way to make cap space.

At one time Jamie Collins was the Pats best LB if not the best player on the defense.

Lol

 

[SVN]

He would have to restructure his deal and take less money.

And maybe give us an additional draft pick from the browns to take him back.

 

[BradyFTW!]

He would address a need, but his contract is too loaded in base salary, Pats don't have the cap space to afford it without making major cuts to the roster. It would also almost certainly be a one-year rental, since his contract is easy to cut with minimal dead cap after this season.

 

[SVN]

Collins lost Owen Daniels on seam routes in the 2015 season AFC title game....TWICE.

And Lynch on the wheel route in the SB .

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

Can he rush the passer???

He's got sloth like quickness

 

[zoostation]

Both of Peytons 2 touchdown passes against the Pats in the AFCCC a few years back were against Jamie in coverage. He had spurts where he played great (Houston when Jacoby was QB for example). It seems like as soon as he got payed he stopped playing.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Jamie Collins is the epitome of what happens to a player that goes south after getting paid.
No thanks, he had a mostly good run here but that ship has sailed.

 

[Deus Irae]

Jamie Collins is the epitome of a player who was overrated by both team and fans because of the obsession with measurables over actual play.

Fixed.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Fixed.

"Jamie Collins is the epitome of a player who was overrated by both team and fans because of the obsession with measurables over actual play."

I agree with your take on overvaluing measurables and would add "media" as well as fans overvalue it. However, I'm curious in what way the team overvalued him? I assume you're referring to overvaluing him in the draft? Otherwise, given the hoopla from fans and media regarding JC, the team demonstrated they didn't value him. No?

Hindsight is 20/20 -- and a virtue for Internet posting -- yet that we got a third round for JC (ummm, or was it a fourth?) was fortunate.

 

[Deus Irae]

"Jamie Collins is the epitome of a player who was overrated by both team and fans because of the obsession with measurables over actual play."

I agree with your take on overvaluing measurables and would add "media" as well as fans overvalue it. However, I'm curious in what way the team overvalued him? I assume you're referring to overvaluing him in the draft? Otherwise, given the hoopla from fans and media regarding JC, the team demonstrated they didn't value him. No?

Hindsight is 20/20 -- and a virtue for Internet posting -- yet that we got a third round for JC (ummm, or was it a fourth?) was fortunate.

My position on Collins is not hindsight. You can go look it up, if you choose.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

My position on Collins is not hindsight. You can go look it up, if you choose.

The 'hindsight is 20/20' comment was not directed at you/your post I was commenting on. My mistake if it came across that way.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

He's got sloth like quickness

Sounds as though you mean slug like slowness

 

[DarrylS]

No thanks, unless he foregoes his guaranteed money and agrees to a very team friendly deal.. the whole idea seems to be the concoction of the bored, idle sports media..

ESPN's Bill Barnwell has created a trade proposal that would send the former second round pick back to where his career began in exchange for a seventh round choice.

FYI PFF has Collins listed as the #64 LB in the NFL this season.. he is termed "average"...