Wtf happened with Brissett deal?

[Deus Irae]

Well, of course the Patriots have made mistakes, especially drafting in the 2nd round. They've obviously had some draft picks with well-known injury histories that backfired- oth, they've had some that were incredible hits like Gronk.
But Deus, you're being just a bit disingenuous here. The success of this BB/TB 17+ yrs run is unprecedented and truly remarkable in the salary-cap era. That's what puts it ahead of the awesome SF 9ers run.
The only team that's been remotely close to NE in that timeframe is Pitts- and it's not that close. Every other SB team from the 2001 Rams to 2017 eagles has had bad years and mediocre years. Even Seattle, on the " verge" of a dynasty,didn't last long.
To be consistently good-to-great for 17 straight years is incredible.
And tho BB has made his share of mistakes, they've been far fewer than anyone else.
And that includes both the JG and JB trades, NEITHER of which was a mistake.

I'm not being at all disingenuous. Making fewer mistakes than most other teams during a long stretch of success, while still making plenty of mistakes, and

I've seen several instances where Andy has pointed out mistakes by the Patriots. They're rare, but they SHOULD be. Take a look at what they've done over the last 17 years.

are two significantly different claims.

 

[jimnance]

I'm not being at all disingenuous. Making fewer mistakes than most other teams during a long stretch of success, while still making plenty of mistakes, and



are two significantly different claims.

Ok. I should rephrase that 2nd part as "relatively" rare.

 

[supafly]

And your prior comment about Patriots poor decision-making over the last 3 or 4 years is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen here. 3 SBs in 4 years, with 2 Lombardis?
Yeah no other NFL franchise would wanna suffer through THAT.

From the posts that I read (didn’t read all of them), it seems as though his argument suggested that a good amount of our success over the past several years was due to hitting on some key picks, and there was a concern that the recent drafting drought may catch up to the team sooner rather than later.

I don’t think there was much of a suggestion that there were many other questionable decisions, at least outside of that.

 

[supafly]

Either that or he'll hit you up with a Bubba joke but personally I think he only does that when he knows he's wrong which he was in my case.

I missed the joke. Are you able to repeat it or link to the thread? I’ve gotta admit that I am curious.

 

[luuked]

I've been a patriots fan to long, I guess. I do NOT believe that not winning the SB means that the season is over.

I agree with that completely. If you have seen my comments about 2007 or any of the teams that didn't get there I think its obvious that I am not judging a season based on SBs.

That being said I think we can agree that if Brady suffers a serious injury the "goals" of the season shift dramatically.

 

[Tony2046]

I missed the joke. Are you able to repeat it or link to the thread? I’ve gotta admit that I am curious.

Here you go.

The Ryan Izzo makes the 53 thread.

 

[DarrylS]

Not bring them in but draft and develop them. Then we have 5 years to play them at a minimal cost and be fortunate enough to have the opportunity to decide if we want to re-sign them or not.

And that does not happen here?? Off the top of my head Malcolm Butler immediately comes to mind the of course there is our 199th draft pick who has stuck around for about 20 years now.. Tedy Bruschi, Rob Ninkovich and the list goes on and on.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I'm not being at all disingenuous. Making fewer mistakes than most other teams during a long stretch of success, while still making plenty of mistakes,

Well said. The Pats screw up a lot, but a lot less than others which means the Pats don't screw up much at all. This board seems to argue both sides of that point a lot. It is a boring argument, and anyone who participates in debating it is either boring or bored. I am not saying Andy or Ice are boring, I just quoted Deus.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I've been a patriots fan to long

I have been a fan too long also. To, too and two are homophones.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

I have been a fan too long also. To, too and two are homophones.

I applaud your spelling, but demerits for ignoring the Oxford comma. Shame!

 

[HailHydra]

And that does not happen here?? Off the top of my head Malcolm Butler immediately comes to mind the of course there is our 199th draft pick who has stuck around for about 20 years now.. Tedy Bruschi, Rob Ninkovich and the list goes on and on.

I'm talking about the current situation. We haven't been hitting on our top picks, which in turn means that we see a lack of premier talent.

 

[Brady6]

Do you really believe that report?

I do believe it. Brissett had a solid season considering he had no offseason with the Colts and was playing behind the worst OL in the NFL. If we got a 2nd for Garoppolo on an expiring contract and only 6 quarters as a starter I don’t see why the Colts couldn’t get a second for Brissett.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I do believe it. Brissett had a solid season considering he had no offseason with the Colts and was playing behind the worst OL in the NFL. If we got a 2nd for Garoppolo on an expiring contract and only 6 quarters as a starter I don’t see why the Colts couldn’t get a second for Brissett.

I mean SEA giving up a 2nd. They simply would not do that with Wilson as their QB.

With that said Brisket is still not worth a 2nd. Jimmy is 10x better than him.

 

[luuked]

I do believe it. Brissett had a solid season considering he had no offseason with the Colts and was playing behind the worst OL in the NFL. If we got a 2nd for Garoppolo on an expiring contract and only 6 quarters as a starter I don’t see why the Colts couldn’t get a second for Brissett.

Seriously. You believe in what Volin is saying over everyone else denying it ? Volin ?

 

[Ring 6]

Ok. I should rephrase that 2nd part as "relatively" rare.

Agree.
I mean we are talking about things like drafting players where not only a high percentage flop, but very few picks ever turn out to be the best player that was in the board.
We are talking about competing against 31 other teams for free agents, for keeping your own players, not to mention gameplanning, play calling and cutting one player over another when they are very close. Some people love to spend their time shooting fish in a barrell crying about all the bad or less than perfect decision and act as if the standard is they should get every one right.

I tend to look at it differently. If they generally make better decisions than anyone else, then why am I crying about the ones they get wrong? Moreso, if the thinking is sound why complain about the decision? I know that I or no one on this board, or even in the nfl, would do a better job making decisions overall than the patriots braintrust. So what is the point of obsessing over ones they get wrong?

 

[Ring 6]

I do believe it. Brissett had a solid season considering he had no offseason with the Colts and was playing behind the worst OL in the NFL. If we got a 2nd for Garoppolo on an expiring contract and only 6 quarters as a starter I don’t see why the Colts couldn’t get a second for Brissett.

In what way did he have a solid season? By every metric he sucked.

 

[Tony2046]

Seriously. You believe in what Volin is saying over everyone else denying it ? Volin ?

According to Volin we should revolt and have a Boston Mac & Cheese party to protest Kraft's trading JG behind BB's back.

I haven't eaten any Kraft Mac and cheese since that tweet.

Just HOW Incompetent and UNETHICAL Is MCI (Ben Volin)?

 

[Simpelton]

In what way did he have a solid season? By every metric he sucked.

This is where a fan spoiled by consistently elite quarterback play really isn't in a position to judge the rest of the league's QBs.

In terms of overall starting quarterback play, Brissett was somewhere around 15-18 out of 32. A little worse than Blake Bortles, a little better than Joe Flacco.

So for fans of the Patriots, that's way below what we're used to, and as a result, I agree, it "sucks." A year like that would not be acceptable here because it's SO much worse than what we're used to.

Teams with no such expectations, and fans who know how to temper their expectations, are a little more bullish on Brissett for three major reasons

1: This was Brissett's first full year as a starter. The results should be viewed in light of this lack of experience, and a reasonabe incremental improvement should be expected if he gets another chance to learn on the job in the next 2-3 years

2: Brissett was not expected to start for a full season. Neither the Patriots nor the Colts expected him to be their #1 guy. For a depth guy to show signs of looking like a half decent #1 quarterback is a good outcome.

3: Everyone knows that that Colts roster was very bad. With a better team around him, Brissett should be expected to outperform the 3-13 season he accomplished in 2017. Especially because the weakness of the roster was exacerbated by the weakness of the coaching staff, which was widely recognized as the worst in the NFL.

In other words, a failed season is not surprising because Brissett was set up to fail, everyone knew that this was going to be a lost year for the Colts. I can't blame a guy who is in his first full season and was not set up for success for not succeeding.

In fact when I think of the half dozen times Indianapolis had the lead in the 3rd and 4th quarters and then suddenly completely changed their tactics and wound up blowing the game, I would not be surprised if Brissett was hamstrung by ownership wanting to tank for a high draft pick. Nobody's ever going to admit it of course, but this is Jim Irsay we're talking about, and it wouldn't even be the first time, or even the first time this decade, that the Colts brazenly tanked an entire season (Suck for Luck anyone?)

 

[Ring 6]

This is where a fan spoiled by consistently elite quarterback play really isn't in a position to judge the rest of the league's QBs.

It was bad quarterbacking. I’m not comparing it to elite I’m comparing it to competent.

In terms of overall starting quarterback play, Brissett was somewhere around 15-18 out of 32. A little worse than Blake Bortles, a little better than Joe Flacco.

Haha. Bottom 3 in almost everything and you have him better than half the QBs?
Please, please, please be the 14-17 that we’re worse than him. This should be funny.

So for fans of the Patriots, that's way below what we're used to, and as a result, I agree, it "sucks." A year like that would not be acceptable here because it's SO much worse than what we're used to.

It’s nit acceptable anywhere.
Except your mind.

Teams with no such expectations, and fans who know how to temper their expectations, are a little more bullish on Brissett for three major reasons

1: This was Brissett's first full year as a starter. The results should be viewed in light of this lack of experience, and a reasonabe incremental improvement should be expected if he gets another chance to learn on the job in the next 2-3 years

The results were bad. Very bad.

2: Brissett was not expected to start for a full season. Neither the Patriots nor the Colts expected him to be their #1 guy. For a depth guy to show signs of looking like a half decent #1 quarterback is a good outcome.

But he looked like a bad qb. 30th in scoring, 31st in passing. 58% complete which was down to 54% as the season word on and teams had take. Those are terrible numbers.

3: Everyone knows that that Colts roster was very bad. With a better team around him, Brissett should be expected to outperform the 3-13 season he accomplished in 2017. Especially because the weakness of the roster was exacerbated by the weakness of the coaching staff, which was widely recognized as the worst in the NFL.

He was a major reason they were 4-12. Everyone sucked isn’t an example of how he played well.

In other words, a failed season is not surprising because Brissett was set up to fail, everyone knew that this was going to be a lost year for the Colts. I can't blame a guy who is in his first full season and was not set up for success for not succeeding.

Again you can’t list a thing he did well. You just make excuses.

In fact when I think of the half dozen times Indianapolis had the lead in the 3rd and 4th quarters and then suddenly completely changed their tactics and wound up blowing the game, I would not be surprised if Brissett was hamstrung by ownership wanting to tank for a high draft pick.

This is simply not a true statement.

Nobody's ever going to admit it of course, but this is Jim Irsay we're talking about, and it wouldn't even be the first time, or even the first time this decade, that the Colts brazenly tanked an entire season (Suck for Luck anyone?)

So now you are arguing they played Brissett because they wanted to lose?

You have responded to “tell me what he did well” with zero examples of him doing anything well.
Do you have any?

And please give me that list of 15-17 teams who had worse QBs. Please explain why you think they were worse also, so I can laugh even harder.

FYI
Joe Flacco 9-7 9th in scoring 64.1% complete 18 TDS led offense to 395 points
Brissett 4-11 30th in scoring 58.8% complete
13 tds led offense to 263 points

Please explain to me how the guy who put 132 more points MORE THAN 50% MORE on the board competed 64% to under 59% and won 9 games vs 4 was worse?

 

[rochrist]

This is where a fan spoiled by consistently elite quarterback play really isn't in a position to judge the rest of the league's QBs.

In terms of overall starting quarterback play, Brissett was somewhere around 15-18 out of 32. A little worse than Blake Bortles, a little better than Joe Flacco.

So for fans of the Patriots, that's way below what we're used to, and as a result, I agree, it "sucks." A year like that would not be acceptable here because it's SO much worse than what we're used to.

Teams with no such expectations, and fans who know how to temper their expectations, are a little more bullish on Brissett for three major reasons

1: This was Brissett's first full year as a starter. The results should be viewed in light of this lack of experience, and a reasonabe incremental improvement should be expected if he gets another chance to learn on the job in the next 2-3 years

2: Brissett was not expected to start for a full season. Neither the Patriots nor the Colts expected him to be their #1 guy. For a depth guy to show signs of looking like a half decent #1 quarterback is a good outcome.

3: Everyone knows that that Colts roster was very bad. With a better team around him, Brissett should be expected to outperform the 3-13 season he accomplished in 2017. Especially because the weakness of the roster was exacerbated by the weakness of the coaching staff, which was widely recognized as the worst in the NFL.

In other words, a failed season is not surprising because Brissett was set up to fail, everyone knew that this was going to be a lost year for the Colts. I can't blame a guy who is in his first full season and was not set up for success for not succeeding.

In fact when I think of the half dozen times Indianapolis had the lead in the 3rd and 4th quarters and then suddenly completely changed their tactics and wound up blowing the game, I would not be surprised if Brissett was hamstrung by ownership wanting to tank for a high draft pick. Nobody's ever going to admit it of course, but this is Jim Irsay we're talking about, and it wouldn't even be the first time, or even the first time this decade, that the Colts brazenly tanked an entire season (Suck for Luck anyone?)

He was awful. Because the QB (AND the coaching) in the NFL is uniformly awful doesn't excuse his being so. At his best, he'll be a slight step up from Tebow.