Rewatch Thread: Philly @ NE (Preseason #2)

[Ring 6]

So one play defines a player's game? season? career?
So you are saying PFF (watching every snap every game every angle) has no clue rating Mason as best pass blocker of the Patriots last season?

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(PFF is far from perfect but grading pass blocking efficiency is something they'd do well)

Mason “struggling” in pass blocking is all relative. Our pass blocking is overall superb so no one really struggles. One sack in 50 passes isn’t struggling btw.

As far as PFF I disagree. This is exactly what they are poor at, assigning responsibility for plays.
Finally C and G should always rank higher than T in statistical pass blocking ratings because it’s easier to block a DT than a DE and one of them is free on every play there isn’t a blitz.

 

[Deus Irae]

The only one indecisive was Brown. Terrible angle to his block.

Chatham won that round, and Lazar beat an odd sort of retreat.

 

[PP2]

The only one indecisive was Brown. Terrible angle to his block.

I wonder if he forgot he was responsible for the kick out block. I kinda feel that was an "oh ****!" moment when he peels off, because he peels off rather awkwardly.

 

[Ring 6]

I wonder if he forgot he was responsible for the kick out block. I kinda feel that was an "oh ****!" moment when he peels off, because he peels off rather awkwardly.

I think it’s a 360-whatever lb behemoth trying to block a 200 lb DB in space and it’s nkt really reasonable to think he can be agile enough

 

[PP2]

I think it’s a 360-whatever lb behemoth trying to block a 200 lb DB in space and it’s nkt really reasonable to think he can be agile enough

I don't think so because he overcommits on the run blocking to the point of pretty much taking himself out of play as far as the kickout block.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I wonder if he forgot he was responsible for the kick out block. I kinda feel that was an "oh ****!" moment when he peels off, because he peels off rather awkwardly.

Both him & Thuney are looking like their selling the run 1st. Almost looks it's designed to just get to the 2nd level.

Brown just just takes a bad path & has a little hitch or we as he's approaching his target.

Not the 1st time he looked lost last night.

One thing to remember when he misses or gets beat it's always gone look worse bc of his size. It'll always stick out bc of his size. Plenty of this on his tape. Good w the bad sorta thing.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

So one play defines a player's game? season? career?
So you are saying PFF (watching every snap every game every angle) has no clue rating Mason as best pass blocker of the Patriots last season?

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(PFF is far from perfect but grading pass blocking efficiency is something they'd do well)

if PFF thinks Mason is a good pass blocker, then their criteria is suspect. There are lots of folks who think Mason is not great at it.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't think so because he overcommits on the run blocking to the point of pretty much taking himself out of play as far as the kickout block.

He had plenty of room to make the block, too much actually. That’s the problem. A 200lb. DB avoiding a 360 lb OL in open space with the choice to pretty much go any direction is the easiest win in the NFL.
Ask yourself this, if that DB were returning an int would brien have been able to lay a finger on him?

 

[captain stone]

So far Shelton has come exactly as advertised (and hoped for).

That was Keionta Davis' worst play of the the game. He took a lousy angle, failed to wrap the runner, and prevented Shelton himself from making the tackle.

 

[captain stone]

The only one indecisive was Brown. Terrible angle to his block.

Yes it was.

All 3 of Dorsett, Brown & Thuney (who left his feet way too early) sucked on that play.

LOL at the starry-eyed homers who believed that Trent Brown - who has Never played LT during his first 3 seasons as a pro - would actually be an Improvement over Nate Solder.

 

[Tony2046]

Thanks !

I am currently not with my usual setup but on the road so lack the broadband internet to upload more stuff. Should be all ready again for W1. For now we rely on what @timnog in /r/patriots uploads and then the annotated tweets by Lazar et al.

If @Tony2046 ends up having some time carving up film this season again we will have a fun ride in here. And of course all the other regulars that you already mentioned.

Man I hope so. Work is killing my free time lately. Not a bad thing and as soon as this guy I'm training takes over his shift I'm golden. Should be soon as he's a bright guy. Maybe too bright. haha

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Yes it was.

All 3 of Dorsett, Brown & Thuney (who left his feet way too early) sucked on that play.

LOL at the starry-eyed homers who believed that Trent Brown - who has Never played LT during his first 3 seasons as a pro - would actually be an Improvement over Nate Solder.

Not the biggest deal but I honestly don't know how some get there when it comes to some of our players but I guess its the excitement of wanting ur guys to do well. Nothing wrong w that but theres also nothing wrong w the truth when its on tape. Thats my thing. Tape isn't an opinion.

I think & hope he'll play very well. At times he'll look like a world beater defending the rush, using his hands, size etc but there are areas he's prob always gone struggle in.

Again he reminds me a lil like Big Z. So big that when he gets beat, looks bad, he looks really bad.

 

[Ring 6]

Rewatching this was clearly a blitz package work game. We blitzed a lot and used different blitzes.

One package we used in nickel was a 3-2-6 with Davis butler clayborn over TCT and Rivers and Van Noy as lbs. they blitz each time I saw this group as appears to be the point of emphasis with Rivers and Van Noy blitzing in the G area.
Put flowers and HT in place of Davis and Van Noy and that’s a scary rush.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

While the highlight of this clip is Davis sacking the QB, note that #44 does a very nice job picking up the back and turning downfield with him in coverage. Sam is clearly behind the rest of the linebacking corp, but he's an easy mover with upside. Could be a good nickel guy.

 

[luuked]

Rewatching this was clearly a blitz package work game. We blitzed a lot and used different blitzes.

One package we used in nickel was a 3-2-6 with Davis butler clayborn over TCT and Rivers and Van Noy as lbs. they blitz each time I saw this group as appears to be the point of emphasis with Rivers and Van Noy blitzing in the G area.
Put flowers and HT in place of Davis and Van Noy and that’s a scary rush.

Since you got around to it before I could. Anything standing out about Davis to you ?

 

[luuked]

While the highlight of this clip is Davis sacking the QB, note that #44 does a very nice job picking up the back and turning downfield with him in coverage. Sam is clearly behind the rest of the linebacking corp, but he's an easy mover with upside. Could be a good nickel guy.

The regular season when Sam and Bentley get swamped with a lot more information to dissect and intentionally put there to fool them might proof me wrong but for now I am cautiously optimistic about coverage LBs. As I said somewhere else I don't expect it to become an area of strength anytime soon as coverage LB is one of the steepest curves there is but if we can just improve by 25% on average this already makes for a world of difference in tight games.

 

[luuked]

As @reamer said, it was Mason. He also gave up a sack in SB 51. That's two straight SBs where his pass protection is questionable

Giving up one sack on 76 snaps does not make someones pass protection questionable. I mean is Bradys passing ability questionable when he misses one throw ? He played a pretty good game in the SB as did the entire OL.

Overall he is an average guard when it comes to pass protection and elite when it comes to playing the run.

 

[maineman209]

if PFF thinks Mason is a good pass blocker, then their criteria is suspect. There are lots of folks who think Mason is not great at it.

I'm not sure what you mean by "criteria", but PFFs methodology begins with reviewing every game rep an OL takes and then determining whether or not he gets beat. Are all of these "lots of folks" as thorough in their examination?

 

[PScottman]

LOL at the starry-eyed homers who believed that Trent Brown - who has Never played LT during his first 3 seasons as a pro - would actually be an Improvement over Nate Solder.

Time is the missing ingredient here. If you mean "right now", absolutely. He's learning a new position, in a new system. He should be struggling more than succeeding.

That said, he's got great feet, good instincts, and obviously athleticism. To reach the potential of those gifts and perhaps equal or surpass Solder, that potential has to move from tentative guessing at what do, when, and why to instinctual, instant application of that talent.

If you mean by the end of the regular season, he absolutely has all the tools, a great coach, and on a team able to get him there. But I R Not Nostradamus - he might not either and was just a stop gap as some have posited.

 

[PScottman]

One package we used in nickel was a 3-2-6 with Davis butler clayborn over TCT and Rivers and Van Noy as lbs. they blitz each time I saw this group as appears to be the point of emphasis with Rivers and Van Noy blitzing in the G area.
Put flowers and HT in place of Davis and Van Noy and that’s a scary rush.

I didn't see Philly try a lot of plays specifically designed to counter the blitz either. That's both the yin and yang of the preseason. It can build expectation or likewise destroy it entirely based on the erroneous notion that the gameplan, adjustments, play calls, etc are done in the same way as the regular season.

A team may come in wanting to see a specific set of packages, protection, or even players that may be totally wrong to attack the opposing team, but it's about evaluating your squad. Crossen anyone?

We see it every year...aggressive early preseason then the first game way more conservative and the GDT goes nuclear. Totally different outcome objectives between pre and regular season.