EDIT: Pats working out CB Breeland - expected to reach back out this weekend

[RobertWeathers]

What's his 3 cone time????

Hes still in good shape. If guys like JE11 do it in 6.62 seconds I bet RW Sr can do it in under 1/2 hr.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

RW Sr was in Vietnam so he might have killed someone. He doesn't talk about it much.

People who have seen/lived it usually don't......

 

[SHOWTIME15]

We don’t have a glaring need at CB & Breeland would cost $, but he’s a really good fit as a BB #2 CB in a man scheme. Give him the safery help Browner/Dennard/Ryan received & he’d definitely bounce back. I still remember Gruden letting the poor kid island Antonio Brown.

Gilmore
Breeland
Rowe
Dawson
J. Jones (ST)
Jackson (inactive/development)

That’d be a really deep group with youth. Howe claims that Rowe & McCourty are in a close battle but I didn’t see that at camp. He’d probably know better obviously.

Most people here would regard the number 2 CB position as a glaring need.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

AFAIK, Richards has been playing primarily a strong safety (ish) role, and even something like the "star" role - closer to the LoS. Given Pleasant's experience (and success) in precisely those roles (plus his extensive ST work), he seems to me more likely to replace Richards than JMac would be.

So you're telling me that Pleasant is my new binkie

 

[supafly]

We don’t have a glaring need at CB & Breeland would cost $, but he’s a really good fit as a BB #2 CB in a man scheme. Give him the safery help Browner/Dennard/Ryan received & he’d definitely bounce back. I still remember Gruden letting the poor kid island Antonio Brown.

Gilmore
Breeland
Rowe
Dawson
J. Jones (ST)
Jackson (inactive/development)

That’d be a really deep group with youth. Howe claims that Rowe & McCourty are in a close battle but I didn’t see that at camp. He’d probably know better obviously.

I’d be much happier with Breeland on board for 2018, and I’d be fired up about your CB grouping.

The only thing that I’d consider changing may be a McCourty/Rowe swap. I get it that Rowe has had a better camp lately, but McCourty may play smarter and more disciplined, as he has the experience. I suppose the next few weeks will answer our questions.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Well, sometimes DMC plays close to the LoS so I assume his twin can do the same thing.

My 74 year old dad is an upgrade over Richards

A) Sign the beast

B) Can he rush the passer?

C) Can he both throw a football to himself AND catch it?

D) RLKAG

E) Does he possess Cat like quickness?

 

[supafly]

I like Breeland too, but not sure there's a place for him on the 53 with a lot of younger CB's showing promise so far in camp.....

It’s nice that we seem to have a healthy battle going on between Lewis, Crossen, and JC Jackson, and hopefully we will get one on the 53 + one on the PS, but I don’t think that should prevent them from exploring an upgrade at the CB2 spot, either.

Of course, money is a huge factor and Breeland has lots of suitors.

 

[luuked]

Most people here would regard the number 2 CB position as a glaring need.

Glaring need? Have you looked at other rosters and their CB depth?

I mean the quality can always be improved but calling it a glaring need is absurd. It is not like we have Sterling Moore and Arrington fighting it out for that spot.

 

[Hyped]

It’s nice that we seem to have a healthy battle going on between Lewis, Crossen, and JC Jackson, and hopefully we will get one on the 53 + one on the PS, but I don’t think that should prevent them from exploring an upgrade at the CB2 spot, either.

Of course, money is a huge factor and Breeland has lots of suitors.

Agree somewhat, but we need to develop some in house talent...the more we develop young pups, the more cap friendly we can be. Breeland almost had a 7M AAV contract...so like you say...many suitors....

 

[Snooky97]

I swear there are posters here that would move Hoyer to safety if it meant cutting Richards.

Is that possible?

 

[Deus Irae]

Ray Lewis Killed A Guy, And That Guy's Corpse Would Still Be Better At Safety Than Richards.

Fixed

 

[Deus Irae]

We don’t have a glaring need at CB

Who'd they sign in the last 10 hours to eliminate the previously glaring need at CB?

 

[maineman209]

Most people here would regard the number 2 CB position as a glaring need.

Gilmore's value to the Pats is at least partly tied to the fact that he's played both boundaries and even the slot at a high level. Such guys are pretty rare. Since the Pats don't play strict boundary coverages constantly, and sometimes play match-ups, that makes Gilmore a huge asset.

The Pats appear to have at least three CB candidates for covering the slot in Dawson, JJ and Rowe. In his first year with the Pats, Rowe alternated with Logan Ryan covering the slot and the right boundary, but Ryan "won" the slot job, ultimately, and Rowe, when healthy, has been adequate* on the right boundary (*meaning he hasn't needed need continuous safety help like Arrington did). When Rowe and Gilmore were out last season, JJ played some slot, some match-up and some right boundary, and was equal to, or better than Rowe in all those roles most of the time (his lack of height notwithstanding). IIRC, JMac has played at least SOME on the right side during his career. Cy Jones played virtually all of his very limited boundary coverage snaps in 2016 and 2017 Camp on the right boundary.

CBs who can cover the right boundary adequately aren't particularly plentiful, and guys who can lock that side down on their own are very rare. The Pats have sometimes had difficulty finding CBs who are even adequate on the right boundary.

So, it seems to me that the Pats are evaluating the CBs in Camp for their overall coverage chops in various roles, including being able to cover the right boundary at least adequately. In addition to JJ, Rowe and JMac, they have Lewis, Jackson and Crossen.

One of the drawbacks of media reports from Camp on what CBs are doing is that the reporters rarely note which boundary a prospect is playing when he makes a great play or gets beat in 11 v 11 work. This is either because they aren't aware of the significance of a guy being able to play the right boundary, and/or don't care. So, we really won't know what roles these candidates are succeeding/failing at until we see them in pre-season games.

We also won't know much about their edge-contain, run support or tackling abilities until then, since that's another very critical aspect of CB play that the media guys fail to report. However, we do know that JJ is pretty good at that, and Rowe not so much.

Anyway, I really don't know yet whether the second boundary CB is a "glaring need" or not. During the game tomorrow night, we may discover that the Pats have 2-3 guys who are at least adequate covering the right boundary, or we could discover they have zero.

 

[PatsFan2]

E) Does he possess Cat like quickness?

Probably more Sloth like quickness.

 

[RobertWeathers]

E) Does he possess Cat like quickness?

Yes but he might pull a muscle trying.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Glaring need? Have you looked at other rosters and their CB depth?

I mean the quality can always be improved but calling it a glaring need is absurd. It is not like we have Sterling Moore and Arrington fighting it out for that spot.

We can agree to disagree. I don’t care about other teams tbh. Right now we have the same starting CB pairing from the Super Bowl that Nick Foles lit up. I don’t feel too comfortable with Rowe at CB 2.

 

[RobertWeathers]

We can agree to disagree. I don’t care about other teams tbh. Right now we have the same starting CB pairing from the Super Bowl that Nick Foles lit up. I don’t feel too comfortable with Rowe at CB 2.

Correct but they also have Jason McCourty, Duke Dawson and CB5 which represents a decisive upgrade over Badman, Richards and Chung in man to man on a WR.

 

[Kontradiction]

We can agree to disagree. I don’t care about other teams tbh. Right now we have the same starting CB pairing from the Super Bowl that Nick Foles lit up. I don’t feel too comfortable with Rowe at CB 2.

Rowe is serviceable at best and can definitely be upgraded. Same goes for McCourty. I like the Dawson/J Jones battle at nickel/dime corner though.

 

[maineman209]

We can agree to disagree. I don’t care about other teams tbh. Right now we have the same starting CB pairing from the Super Bowl that Nick Foles lit up. I don’t feel too comfortable with Rowe at CB 2.

I don't think that the Pats are anywhere close to deciding who gets paired with Gilmore yet. There seems to be a lot of good competition for that spot (and JJ hasn't had a chance to show yet). In spite of media reports & speculation, I doubt that Rowe has any significant "lead" over most of the other candidates.

 

[Ross12]

I’d be much happier with Breeland on board for 2018, and I’d be fired up about your CB grouping.

The only thing that I’d consider changing may be a McCourty/Rowe swap. I get it that Rowe has had a better camp lately, but McCourty may play smarter and more disciplined, as he has the experience. I suppose the next few weeks will answer our questions.

If McCourty and Rowe are relatively equal, and they do sign Breeland, they may have better luck retaining McCourty and being able to get a draft pick back in a trade for Rowe from another team. McCourty probably wouldn't have the same market.

Besides that, I would be really sad if we didn't get at least one season of Twin Power.