Are there 63 better quarterbacks in the NFL?

[TheRainMaker]

Hoyer's record as a starter, from 2013-2015: 15-10, including 10-6 for Cleveland.

There's got to be a typo in that record! LOL. That's actually very surprising and was going to ask if someone can show me his record as a starter or coming in to manage a game. Again, my original point was not about Hoyer , but I do stand by what I've seen from him. Let's just hope Brady stays healthy for 2018.

 

[Joey007]

There's got to be a typo in that record! LOL. That's actually very surprising and was going to ask if someone can show me his record as a starter or coming in to manage a game. Again, my original point was not about Hoyer , but I do stand by what I've seen from him. Let's just hope Brady stays healthy for 2018.

Don’t you remember that odd time in the history of the universe in 2014 when the Browns were 7-4 at one point?

 

[Joker]

towel off after you leave the confirmation bias pool, OK?

 

[maust]

There's got to be a typo in that record! LOL. That's actually very surprising and was going to ask if someone can show me his record as a starter or coming in to manage a game. Again, my original point was not about Hoyer , but I do stand by what I've seen from him. Let's just hope Brady stays healthy for 2018.

His record was indeed 15-10 from 2013-2015 it was also 1-10 the last 2 seasons. Brian Hoyer is not the hill any right thinking football fan should choose to die on. Which is immaterial here in any case. Kaepernick is not a viable fit in this offense whereas Hoyer might be at least a serviceable one.

 

[TB_Helmet]

Eric Reid is a much more interesting player about which (about whom?) to have this discussion, IMO.

Maybe not for the Patriots, but definitely for some team.

 

[maust]

Eric Reid is a much .more interesting player about which to have this discussion, IMO.

Maybe not for the Patriots, but definitely for some team.

Agreed, to a point. Without any potential baggage Vaccaro and Boston are damn good safeties as well and they remain unsigned. There's a decent chance the market correction at the position may be driving that bus. Now there is an interesting and potentially more viable collusion discussion.

 

[DarrylS]

What we do not know if there have been gestures at signing him, if he agrees to forego his advocacy....

Not sure how he can prove collusion unless an owner rolls over on his buddies, the chances are slim and none of that happening...

He could play and probably be better than many backups, but do not ever see him taking the field unless some teams qb and backup are decimated during the season...

His record with the 49'ers is more about a crappy team than his role...

 

[bresna]

The fact that Brian Hoyer was a starting QB last year and Kaep is still not on a roster says a lot about how fed up owners were with his antics. While Kaep is terrible, he's not even as close to as bad as Hoyer is. From watching every start in SF last year, Hoyer has no business being in the NFL. The guy loves to audible the crap out of every play but couldn't complete a pass. He was so bad, they should've punted on 3rd down to have better field position.

All quarterbacks audible on every play, especially the good ones. Bad ones stick with the called play, even if the defense is set up to defend it.

 

[Ring 6]

What we do not know if there have been gestures at signing him, if he agrees to forego his advocacy....

Not sure how he can prove collusion unless an owner rolls over on his buddies, the chances are slim and none of that happening...

He could play and probably be better than many backups, but do not ever see him taking the field unless some teams qb and backup are decimated during the season...

His record with the 49'ers is more about a crappy team than his role...

His play had a lot to do with 49ers being crappy.

 

[primetime]

Kaepernick had 16 TDs (18 total) to 4 INTs in 11 games in 2016. Most close watchers of quarterbacks agreed Kaepernick played well in 2016. Hoyer went 0-6 with the 49ers last season with far worse stats and he's being touted as a reliable backup in this thread. I'm not sure how to square that circle. Either Hoyer is very bad or Kaepernick is fine, a Tyrod Taylor or Joe Flacco (or Brian Hoyer) tier.

That doesn't mean I don't understand why he's unsigned, as I'm not certain "fine" is worth the headache for teams (whether it should be or not, or whether he deserves the ire he gets, is a different discussion) when they have to actively pursue it, but it's hard to look purely at his stats in 2016 on a very, very bad team and see a guy who would be unemployed the next season.

 

[Simpelton]

There probably aren't 63 quarterbacks better than Tim Tebow either.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

As an owner there is no way I would want the distraction associated with Kaepernick... that and you would have to completely change your offensive philosophy for him

He's not good enough to warrant the insane distractions that would follow him via the media... And you know the media would be foaming at the mouth desperately trying to create a distraction

 

[Ring 6]

There probably aren't 63 quarterbacks better than Tim Tebow either.

There are probably 630 QBs better than Tebow

 

[Ring 6]

Kaepernick had 16 TDs (18 total) to 4 INTs in 11 games in 2016. Most close watchers of quarterbacks agreed Kaepernick played well in 2016. Hoyer went 0-6 with the 49ers last season with far worse stats and he's being touted as a reliable backup in this thread. I'm not sure how to square that circle. Either Hoyer is very bad or Kaepernick is fine, a Tyrod Taylor or Joe Flacco (or Brian Hoyer) tier.

That doesn't mean I don't understand why he's unsigned, as I'm not certain "fine" is worth the headache for teams (whether it should be or not, or whether he deserves the ire he gets, is a different discussion) when they have to actively pursue it, but it's hard to look purely at his stats in 2016 on a very, very bad team and see a guy who would be unemployed the next season.

No one thought kaepernick played well in 2016. He didn’t throw ints (he did fumble though) using a td/int ratio to imply few ints equals good play otherwise is disingenuous. He passed for less than 200 ypg, his team scored less than 19 ppg but scored over 22 ppg with Blaine gabbert at Qb
He completed 59% of his passes.
His offense scored 22 td in his 11 starts.
Nothing he did (other than not throwing ints along the way to not having any passing offense) was good.

 

[neuronet]

Guy would have to be a Pro-Bowl caliber, not "solid backup" caliber quarterback to make up for his extreme off-the-field reputation.

Disagree b/c threshold is too high. I think solid backup is actually the exact right criterion, given his asking price. Plenty of other players have kneeled, protested, taken dumps on whatever.

The real question is, is he a solid backup? I'm on the fence, frankly.

 

[chasa]

What we do not know if there have been gestures at signing him, if he agrees to forego his advocacy....

Not sure how he can prove collusion unless an owner rolls over on his buddies, the chances are slim and none of that happening...

He could play and probably be better than many backups, but do not ever see him taking the field unless some teams qb and backup are decimated during the season...

His record with the 49'ers is more about a crappy team than his role...

We actually DO know this, as a couple of teams stated on record that his refusal not to protest were the reason they ended up not signing him.

So we know for sure that at least 2 teams would have signed him if not for the protests, and the seahawks offered him a contract at low backup money(which he turned down)


At this point It's he said she said.

I don't think Kap is willing to take the role of a backup, and I also don't think any team wants to give him 15 mil to be their starter 2(3?) years removed from having played any meaningful football.

Opting out of his 49's deal Royally ****ed him.

 

[primetime]

No one thought kaepernick played well in 2016. He didn’t throw ints (he did fumble though) using a td/int ratio to imply few ints equals good play otherwise is disingenuous. He passed for less than 200 ypg, his team scored less than 19 ppg but scored over 22 ppg with Blaine gabbert at Qb
He completed 59% of his passes.
His offense scored 22 td in his 11 starts.
Nothing he did (other than not throwing ints along the way to not having any passing offense) was good.

Here you go, all from people who watched substantially more Kaepernick than you did in 2016.

Film Room: Yes, Colin Kaepernick is Still Starter Material in the NFL

Colin Kaepernick’s film shows there is no excuse for him to be unemployed

Colin Kaepernick: Evaluating Every Snap from 2016

 

[Ring 6]

Here you go, all from people who watched substantially more Kaepernick than you did in 2016.

Film Room: Yes, Colin Kaepernick is Still Starter Material in the NFL

Colin Kaepernick’s film shows there is no excuse for him to be unemployed

Colin Kaepernick: Evaluating Every Snap from 2016

So I should have said no one who knows what they are talking about or doesn’t have an agenda. My bad.

The first is a fan.
The second just makes a bunch of excuses.
The third is Cian Fahey, and I shouldn’t have to say anything about his credibility.

 

[Ring 6]

We actually DO know this, as a couple of teams stated on record that his refusal not to protest were the reason they ended up not signing him.

Can you link? I don’t remember reading that.

 

[Deus Irae]

Here you go, all from people who watched substantially more Kaepernick than you did in 2016.

Film Room: Yes, Colin Kaepernick is Still Starter Material in the NFL

Colin Kaepernick’s film shows there is no excuse for him to be unemployed

Colin Kaepernick: Evaluating Every Snap from 2016

Even among those you are pimping, and who are clearly overselling Kaepernick to a great degree, we get this:

Throwing Kaepernick into an offense and telling him to run an expansive passing game where he has to make 20 difficult throws per game isn’t going to work. Even while he had a very impressive interceptable pass rate in 2016, 2.11 percent (second best in the league), his decision making and processing speed are too unreliable to be put in a “traditional” offense. That is unless you’re happy to have a Josh McCown or Ryan Fitzpatrick level of quarterback.

That writer is typing while he's got Kaep's balls across his chin, and he still can only bring himself to max the guy out as McCown/Fitzpatrick in the pocket. That should have told you that you were barking up the wrong tree.