Any Cooks follow-up?

[maineman209]

there's a valid point above by Andy - you're going to have incidental helmet contact on a lot of running plays.

However, I was about to respond whether they could slide and dice whether it's intentional, then saw...



I don't watch NCAA, but how does it work? Just if the refs think "yeah that looks like intent to injure"?

Helmet-to-helmet contact on a runner in traffic is one thing. A 2-3 step charge in the open field seems a bit different to me. Jenkins was clearly going for a big hit rather than for a wrap-up tackle, even though he was in perfect position for the latter.

 

[BradyFTW!]

How were Cook and Gronk supposed to protect themselves.. both hits came from the blindside..

Sounds good, but in reality it makes no sense.. the NFL needs to get off the commode and start getting serious, if not teams will continue to exploit this rule and take out star players..

The penalty should be immediate ejection and suspension until the player clears concussion protocol...

In Cooks' case, he should have protected himself by either going forward or getting down. The second he pivoted around and started running back to the sideline he was basically setting himself up to get his head knocked off. It's part of the receiver's job to understand where the hits are likely to be coming from, and that's doubly true when you're his size. If Edelman or Amendola catches that ball, they're cutting directly upfield, taking what's there, and going to the ground. You've already gained your 25 yards at that point, live to catch another ball.

It was the second time in the Super Bowl alone that he cost the team by trying to make a super-athletic home run play rather than just grinding out the couple yards we needed. The other being when he tried to leap over his guy on 3rd and 2 rather than just getting low and pushing for that extra yard.

 

[DarrylS]

In Cooks' case, he should have protected himself by either going forward or getting down. The second he pivoted around and started running back to the sideline he was basically setting himself up to get his head knocked off. It's part of the receiver's job to understand where the hits are likely to be coming from, and that's doubly true when you're his size. If Edelman or Amendola catches that ball, they're cutting directly upfield, taking what's there, and going to the ground. You've already gained your 25 yards at that point, live to catch another ball.

Find it difficult to blame Cooks for that hit, these are decisions made in milliseconds, Jenkins could have made a different decision.. there was a lot of body exposed for Jenkins, it almost looks as though he was aiming for his head.. cannot reconcile what Jenkins did.

Jenkins walks away all proud and crap after he "took him out" ..

 

[Kontradiction]

Find it difficult to blame Cooks for that hit, these are decisions made in milliseconds, Jenkins could have made a different decision.. there was a lot of body exposed for Jenkins, it almost looks as though he was aiming for his head.. cannot reconcile what Jenkins did.

Jenkins walks away all proud and crap after he "took him out" ..

He should have looked proud. He just knocked Brady’s first read out of the game.

 

[Soliel]

That hit is ****ty reguardless of the rule. It was intentional just like that one on hogan was also intentional. But hey, refs didn’t call pass interference the entire game so why not hurt as many players as possible?

Can you imagine the outcry if Gilmore cashed out agholor like that the later just blasted another player 30 yards down field?

Max Keller already explained all this stuff. Brady threw cooks a hospital ball because he’s too old and too much of a bum

 

[Kontradiction]

That hit is ****ty reguardless of the rule. It was intentional just like that one on hogan was also intentional. But hey, refs didn’t call pass interference the entire game so why not hurt as many players as possible?

Can you imagine the outcry if Gilmore cashed out agholor like that the later just blasted another player 30 yards down field?

Max Keller already explained all this stuff. Brady threw cooks a hospital ball because he’s too old and too much of a bum

Given the way the officials were calling the game, I'm surprised we didn't see more of that. The Patriots had the right idea on the OL. There was a ton of holding in that game that didn't get called both ways. On defense, particularly in the back end, they played as if this was a regular season game.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

And to everybody saying he should have had better field awareness, well yes he should have - he got confused and turned around somehow. Maybe he had in mind you're running toward the lighthouse or away from it... I dunno. It's not like they don't have away games.

But pre-hit, it was a little different from a guy just being lazy about what's coming, he was strangely disoriented... that added to the lamb-to-the-slaughter nature of the hit, but then, that's an emotional reaction. There's no crying in football.

Sorry, I know it's a violent game, but Darryl Stingley came immediately to mind. Very different hit mind you... in fact, Tatum was just doing like he do. Stingley was headed into him. I am sure Tatum wanted to more-than-stop him...

But compare the hit Sunday vs. Cooks to the Tatum hit... the Tatum hit was less intentionally injurious by a mile, if you axe me.



With the usual caveat: I do not know anybody's internal state. In large part, we judge these hits by their outcomes. Cooks isn't paralyzed? No harm no hate. Tatum? Evil incarnate.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Find it difficult to blame Cooks for that hit, these are decisions made in milliseconds, Jenkins could have made a different decision.. there was a lot of body exposed for Jenkins, it almost looks as though he was aiming for his head.. cannot reconcile what Jenkins did.

Jenkins walks away all proud and crap after he "took him out" ..

Jenkins made a legal hit, whether we like it or not. Part of a WR's job is understanding that that hit is likely coming your way if you make too many cuts downfield and allow pursuing defenders to catch up. Could Jenkins have elected to make a softer hit? Sure. But no receiver should assume or even hope he's going to. You've gotta protect yourself, can't rely on the kindness of opposing defenders to avoid legal hard hits.

 

[Ring 6]

How were Cook and Gronk supposed to protect themselves.. both hits came from the blindside..

Sounds good, but in reality it makes no sense.. the NFL needs to get off the commode and start getting serious, if not teams will continue to exploit this rule and take out star players..

The penalty should be immediate ejection and suspension until the player clears concussion protocol...

Cooks was running with the ball. He protects himself by being a football player.
Your argument would either result in half of the defensive players in the league sitting out every week or no one tackling.
Do you really want to see a running back take a hand off run up the middle, lower his shoulder as he is taught to do and then go through ten minutes of replay so the ref can decide who to eject because a rb age a lb played football and the result was head to head contact?

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Cooks was running with the ball. He protects himself by being a football player.
Your argument would either result in half of the defensive players in the league sitting out every week or no one tackling.
Do you really want to see a running back take a hand off run up the middle, lower his shoulder as he is taught to do and then go through ten minutes of replay so the ref can decide who to eject because a rb age a lb played football and the result was head to head contact?

Then we need a seat on the competition committee to take advantage of such rules changes... cuz we weren't tacking anyway

 

[maineman209]

Jenkins made a legal hit, whether we like it or not. Part of a WR's job is understanding that that hit is likely coming your way if you make too many cuts downfield and allow pursuing defenders to catch up. Could Jenkins have elected to make a softer hit? Sure. But no receiver should assume or even hope he's going to. You've gotta protect yourself, can't rely on the kindness of opposing defenders to avoid legal hard hits.

The irony is that, if it had been Meriweather instead of Jenkins, he'd have missed and Cooks would've taken it to the house.

 

[Kontradiction]

Cooks was running with the ball. He protects himself by being a football player.
Your argument would either result in half of the defensive players in the league sitting out every week or no one tackling.
Do you really want to see a running back take a hand off run up the middle, lower his shoulder as he is taught to do and then go through ten minutes of replay so the ref can decide who to eject because a rb age a lb played football and the result was head to head contact?

Maybe we can come up with a rule where, instead of the safety doing his job and hitting the receiver, he can run stride for stride with the receiver and compliment him the entire time as he streaks into the end zone.

 

[Ring 6]

Maybe we can come up with a rule where, instead of the safety doing his job and hitting the receiver, he can run stride for stride with the receiver and compliment him the entire time as he streaks into the end zone.

Or yell FREEZE and stop forward progress.

 

[neuronet]

PS, in all seriousness, you can just head-butt a runningback with impunity? There's no helmet-to-helmet rule on running backs?

There is no defenseless receiver rule once you are a runner. However, even against a runner you aren't supposed to initiate contact with the crown of your helmet since 2013. It is basically never enforced though.

I strongly agree that these head shots that cause concussions in 10 out of 10 cases need to be dealt with. Even when against a runner. Otherwise the NFL is full of it wrt traumatic brain injury.

 

[Sfpat]

If the NFL was serious, they could institute a rule like rugby where hitting above the shoulders is banned and you have to tackle by wrapping the guy up (kind of like how I was taught to tackle).

 

[PatsFan2]

Brandin Cooks will learn from this he's only a one move straight line-ish player. He doesn't have good short area quickness like Edelman - DA and some other Receivers around the league.

 

[PatsFan2]

If the NFL was serious, they could institute a rule like rugby where hitting above the shoulders is banned and you have to tackle by wrapping the guy up (kind of like how I was taught to tackle).

I wouldn't want to see Teams playing Defense like that Patriots SB Defense. Might as well put the boys in skirts and play tag or touch football.

 

[mosi]

Malcolm Jenkins took out Cooks, no penalty it really pissed me off.. if the NFL was serious about concussions there would be a rule that Jenkins sits out until Cooks returns.. but as they are not the status quo suffices.

The same thing for when Gronkowski was concussed.. there is a lot of real estate between the knees and head that he can be tackled.

BTW Malcolm Jenkins also took out Hogan on the final hail mary, that was a blatant foul. Can never understand why the so called, "letting them play" only applies to the Superbowl.. in the biggest game on the biggest stage you change the standard??

The NFL and concussions is just lip service and makes no sense to me..

The stupid rule is you are allowed to hit a runner in the head, just not when they are in the process of catching the ball (acting as a receiver). That it why there was no foul.

Cooks played badly. He had no awareness of where he was in that game. Even on the goal line. On that play it is one on one, and you are fast but decide to try to jump over someone? Just stupid.

 

[Nehalem]

Brandin Cooks will learn from this he's only a one move straight line-ish player. He doesn't have good short area quickness like Edelman - DA and some other Receivers around the league.

He has plenty of quickness. The problem is he lacks awareness. You don't see Edelman or DA running around in a circle on the field.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

first and foremost, obviously wishing Cooks a speedy recover because that was a tough shot and he doesn't have a lot of mass on him

He needs to watch some film on Marvin Harrison, Troy Brown and Wes Welker.. those guys knew how to protect themselves pretty well, thats why Harrison was able to play to 35 or 36, he made great plays and then GOT DOWN to preserve his body, becuase its more valuable to the team living another down so that he could have another big catch later on... The risk often isn't worth the reward to try muscling or finessing your way for an extra couple yards after you just made a huge play

Gronk has been getting better at this, he used to just try and "GRONK SMASH!" his way thru every situation, but now he's smarter about it and is learning how to better protect his body so that he can give the team more productive plays

Its a marathon, not a sprint.. there is audio of McDaniels in the SB against the Falcon's telling the receivers "Don't go out there and try to make it all up in one play, OK? Just play each play by itself" or something to that regard, I'm just going off of memory

Get better Cooks, really looking forward to seeing how you develop more into this offense and get more in sync with the GOAT. You have a special talent, use it wisely and preserve your body!