Practice, Injury Updates, Pressers, Transactions (Week 2) [Hightower, Amendola OUT]

[ViperGTS]

Now this is beyond stupid.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Until Mitchell proves otherwise for a decent stretch of time, he shouldn't be counted on to ever be healthy, and he should be considered as "needs replacing".

He's had one injury so far that's caused him to miss significant time as a pro. I don't say that to suggest that it's a good thing, more to state that the idea that he's proven himself notably unreliable in the Amendola sense isn't reasonable or justified, at least yet.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Now this is beyond stupid.

First thought: who the hell is Chad Forbes?

Twitter bio answers that:

1 Man Pro Personnel & College Scouting Dept. Permanently worried about all 32 teams o-lines. Draft Day is my Christmas & Day 3 my New Yr. God Bless America.

In other words, a nobody with no sources. "1 man scouting department" is the most generous euphemism I've ever heard for 'unemployed jagoff who sprung for NFL Game Pass."

 

[BradyFTW!]

Against a 3 man rush though.

But you're right. NO may do the same.

Although they don't have the secondary KC has and may need to try to get pressure on Brady by rushing more.

My thoughts are all over the place.

Going to watch some if the Saints game to see what they ran against Minnesota.

Nothing about the Saints' pass rush worries me, Jordan is the only significantly above average player in their front 7. Alex Okafor is pretty good, but if he's the second best player on your front 7 then your front 7 sucks.

I'm not panicking at all about the offense--I feel pretty good and think we'll be a top-3 unit over the course of the season--but if they struggle to protect Brady I'll hit the panic switch real fast. Mostly because I'm really confident that won't happen.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Question for you anyone else.

Would you consider playing with an extra Oline guy or a 3rd TE given the speed the Patriots have on offense?

Not sure if it's a good idea or not. But thinking of giving Brady more time in the pocket although I 've read that that can backfire.

It would be a nice way to get Fleming on the field, and we're probably the only team in the league with the personnel to run a dangerous passing attack out of a 3TE package. **** it, why not?

 

[luuked]

OK. (But a coulda-happened-to-anybody argument re this event doesn't change that the way some people move and play, the makeup of their body, their personality as a player, their genetic endowment, their history of injury, their age make them injury-prone. Amendola is that kind of player. I wish it were otherwise - he's been great - but there it is. Plus, he's got models to console him, which will soften the blow.)

Nope he is not. Last concussion was in 2013. But keep trying to milk the lazy injury prone argument.

 

[PittPatriot]

Until Mitchell proves otherwise for a decent stretch of time, he shouldn't be counted on to ever be healthy, and he should be considered as "needs replacing".

While I would not put them in the Dobson category, it sure would be nice to have Mitchell return to his Super Bowl form.
Until recently, Julian Edelman missed large chunks of time throughout his first few years. Whatever he did in terms of his body or conditioning to help overcome that, I hope Mitchell finds a similar formula or luck.

 

[Thelonious]

Amendola would feast against that Saints defense.

Briefly, yes. Whereupon he would be assisted to the bench for the duration.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It would be a nice way to get Fleming on the field, and we're probably the only team in the league with the personnel to run a dangerous passing attack out of a 3TE package. **** it, why not?

That would be under the only circumstances in which we would want Fleming to see the field voluntarily

 

[Thelonious]

Nope he is not. Last concussion was in 2013. But keep trying to milk the lazy injury prone argument.

It is not a "lazy" argument; it is an easy one though, since it is based on facts, unlike these fanboy delusions of yours regarding Danny's immunity to the laws of physics and anatomy.

 

[RobertWeathers]

While I would not put them in the Dobson category, it sure would be nice to have Mitchell return to his Super Bowl form.
Until recently, Julian Edelman missed large chunks of time throughout his first few years. Whatever he did in terms of his body or conditioning to help overcome that, I hope Mitchell finds a similar formula or luck.

MM is at a concerning point in his career . His recent injury can potentially ****** his development.

The kid needs reps and he's not getting them

 

[Thelonious]

He's had one injury so far that's caused him to miss significant time as a pro. I don't say that to suggest that it's a good thing, more to state that the idea that he's proven himself notably unreliable in the Amendola sense isn't reasonable or justified, at least yet.

Advances in orthopedics notwithstanding, sometimes a bum knee is a bum knee. They don't always get better (I've got one), particularly if you're a skinny guy who gets clobbered for a living. I think he does have to prove he can hold up, and I hope he succeeds.

 

[aluminum seats]

Advances in orthopedics notwithstanding, sometimes a bum knee is a bum knee. They don't always get better (I've got one), particularly if you're a skinny guy who gets clobbered for a living. I think he does have to prove he can hold up, and I hope he succeeds.

What happened to Mitchell this time anyway?

 

[aluminum seats]

I'm one of the others.

I take it as being confidence-deficient, on both sides of the LOS, but especially on defense, where the toughness, leadership, and production of not only Hightower, but also of Rob Ninkovich, Jabaal Sheard, and (to a somewhat lesser extent) Chris Long will be missed from what was provided in 2016.

Combine those losses with those on offense from 2016 of Amendola, Edelman (including his inspirational, infectious leadership & clutchness), Mitchell & Martellus Bennett, and there is little wonder why there is a quiet, low-energy locker room today.

Better, non-tweet based reporting might include some more insight.

It is interesting, though....could be good or bad or nothing.

 

[Thelonious]

What happened to Mitchell this time anyway?

His knee just doesn't seem to get better. Not sure what the problem is, but it seems t might be chronic.

 

[aluminum seats]

His knee just doesn't seem to get better. Not sure what the problem is, but it seems t might be chronic.

So there wasn't something in practice or something?

Pats finally hit on a WR and he can't play. Fingers crossed I guess.

 

[Thelonious]

So there wasn't something in practice or something?

Pats finally hit on a WR and he can't play. Fingers crossed I guess.

As I recall, he hasn't really been able to practice that much. Don't get me wrong, I like him as a player and hope he overcomes his problems.

 

[maineman209]

So there wasn't something in practice or something?

Pats finally hit on a WR and he can't play. Fingers crossed I guess.

It's difficult to figure out, really.

Mitchell tore an ACL way at the very beginning of his 2013 season in college (not sure which knee), but he apparently bounced back very well in 2014 and 2015.

He was healthy through the 2016 regular season until the very end, when he was held out of the finale against Miami and the first playoff game v HOU (knee). But he played in the AFCCG and looked great in the Superbowl. Was it the same knee he'd injured in college?

Then, he was held out of 2017 spring practices/OTAs and was exclusively on the rehab field during Camp until mid-August, though the issue he was dealing with was never disclosed, AFAIK. Most folks seem to be assuming it was knee-related, but ....? If so, was it the same knee he'd injured in 2016?

Anyway, O'Shaughnessy rolled up on Mitchell's leg in the pre-season game v. HOU. Although I thought that it was Mitchell's left leg, it was his right knee that he appeared to be having problems with the rest of that game. He didn't practice thereafter.

So, IDK. With all the unknowns about which knee was injured an how it was injured, it may be a bit premature to be thinking of Mitchell's situation as a "chronic knee issue."

 

[aluminum seats]

It's difficult to figure out, really.

Mitchell tore an ACL way at the very beginning of his 2013 season in college (not sure which knee), but he apparently bounced back very well in 2014 and 2015.

He was healthy through the 2016 regular season until the very end, when he was held out of the finale against Miami and the first playoff game v HOU (knee). But he played in the AFCCG and looked great in the Superbowl. Was it the same knee he'd injured in college?

Then, he was held out of 2017 spring practices/OTAs and was exclusively on the rehab field during Camp until mid-August, though the issue he was dealing with was never disclosed, AFAIK. Most folks seem to be assuming it was knee-related, but ....? If so, was it the same knee he'd injured in 2016?

Anyway, O'Shaughnessy rolled up on Mitchell's leg in the pre-season game v. HOU. Although I thought that it was Mitchell's left leg, it was his right knee that he appeared to be having problems with the rest of that game. He didn't practice thereafter.

So, IDK. With all the unknowns about which knee was injured an how it was injured, it may be a bit premature to be thinking of Mitchell's situation as a "chronic knee issue."

Thanks for the info. Yeah, it seems a bit mysterious, although there might be some reporting about it that we're not remembering or didn't see.

Best case, they're really high on the kid and being extra cautious with him.

 

[captain stone]

...Until recently, Julian Edelman missed large chunks of time throughout his first few years. Whatever he did in terms of his body or conditioning to help overcome that, I hope Mitchell finds a similar formula or luck.

Unlike Mitchell, however, Edelman did not have a history of knee "issues" before he ever even became a pro.