Celtics trade Isaiah Thomas, Brooklyn 2018 pick & players for Kyrie Irving

[TommyD4207]

for the record...im not as fearful of GS as all yall are in here, please remind me how did we do against them last year? (and this year we're undeniably better)

I know they can't cover Kyrie Irving. The question will be with the other 11 players.

 

[RobertWeathers]

What possible reason would there be for New Orleans to take that pennies on the dollar trade without the Brooklyn pick which Special Ed Danny threw away and several others? Horford is grotesquely overpaid and invisible on most nights. As much as people rave about him, Brown hasn't actually done anything. He struggled to find minutes on a team that had no clear second scoring option behind IT and was a decent team, but nothing special. Tatum looks like an NBA ready scorer, but he hasn't played a minute of NBA basketball. Success in Summer League is meaningless. Marcus Smart lit up Summer League. And he is legitimate;y on of the worst offensive players in the league. Maybe the worst guard.

I wish people would stop focusing on AD anyway. He's signed for three years, at a very reasonable rate. He's not available. The only chance we had was using that Brooklyn pick to draft a franchise player and flipping him two years down the road. But why would you do that? It's not happening. We do not have the assets and he's not available.

My point was Davis as a single player makes the Cs better than those 3 combined.

Smart is not an offensive threat. He's a lunchpail guy. You need to start viewing him differently.

Brown was a rookie last year. We need to see how he developes.

 

[TeamFirst]

Reason?

Davis > Horford, Tatum, Brown.

I think I want to see what Tatum has to offer before deciding on trading him. That's the only reason I say No way.

I probably would add the Lal 2-5 and possibly another 1st like the Memphis pick along with Horford and Brown.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think I want to see what Tatum has to offer before deciding on trading him. That's the only reason I say No way.

I probably would add the Lal 2-5 and possibly another 1st like the Memphis pick along with Horford and Brown.

I would prefer that as well.

 

[Bill Lee]

Let me guess, Juliet Litman is a millennial...

Kyrie Irving Is the New Kobe Bryant
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says:

Today we are here to discuss Kyrie’s first Boston press conference. It’s difficult to remember the last time he faced the media for more than 30 minutes as the primary focus. In most of his media encounters over the last three years, he typically spoke for less than 10 minutes, often grudgingly, and answered in platitudes while flanked by LeBron James. Boston Kyrie is a new guy. First, he shaved. Second, he seems affable. Third, he already has nicknames and reverence for his teammates.

I’ll continue calling Hayward by the moniker “Gordo,” my own personal tribute to Adam Lamberg’s character on Lizzie McGuire, but I encourage Kyrie to write his own language. Meanwhile, Irving is already showing some affection for Al Horford. Horford is beloved around the league, but who knew Kyrie was in the Al hive?

 

[IcyPatriot]

 

[captain insano]

its weird hes not on the celtics anymore.

 

[IcyPatriot]

its weird hes not on the celtics anymore.

He's going to get way more open shots this year and less wear and tear on his body so it will all be good.

 

[captain insano]

He's going to get way more open shots this year and less wear and tear on his body so it will all be good.

good for who? he might not be back until the all star break.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

If they win the title.

Only way Danny survives.

I must disagree.

Since they bought the team, the owners are stuck to Danny Ainge like Kraft is to the flying elvis.

James Posey, Kendrick Perkins...

IOW no amount of logic or facts or reality can change their behavior.

You'll see Danny as Celtics czar in 2025 just like you see endless flying elvis flags being run back and forth on opening night.

Nothing will make Danny any smarter, just as nothing will make the flying elvis less ugly.

 

[Boston Boxer]

I like Danny...and the Flying Elvis

Danny has done a good job building this team and im not sure he is done yet. Plus that old Pat Patriot looks like he is taking a dump

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

I can't believe people are still complaining about the Kyrie trade.
Celtics 100% won that deal. They got a player who made one of the clutchest shots in the history of the game and is just entering his prime.

When IT is still hobbled with the hip injury after the all star break and after the Nets wind up with a better record than the Lakers this season, I bet they'll all be singing a different tune.

 

[captain insano]

I must disagree.

Since they bought the team, the owners are stuck to Danny Ainge like Kraft is to the flying elvis.

James Posey, Kendrick Perkins...

IOW no amount of logic or facts or reality can change their behavior.

You'll see Danny as Celtics czar in 2025 just like you see endless flying elvis flags being run back and forth on opening night.

Nothing will make Danny any smarter, just as nothing will make the flying elvis less ugly.

i hope you are right about ainge. hes a great GM. hes done an unbelivable job with the celtics. hes one of the most respected GMS in the league. hes not going anywhere anytime soon. love the flying elvis.

 

[captain stone]

...and after the Nets wind up with a better record than the Lakers this season, I bet they'll all be singing a different tune.

You don't honestly believe that's going to happen, do you?

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

You don't honestly believe that's going to happen, do you?

If the Lakers aren't the worst team in the west, they are certainly in the bottom 3 (Kings and Suns may or may not be worse-I can't think of any other team they might be better than).

Because the Celtic's interest in the outcome, I followed quite a few Nets games last year. I noticed that, typically, the Nets stayed competitive for 3 quarters and fell apart in 4th in most games. In the off season, the Nets added some NBA veterans that can provide the stability to prevent 4th quarter collapses. If Lin stays healthy, I think this team could improve drastically from last season.

So, yes, I'm predicting Nets will have a better record than Lakers this year.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

i hope you are right about ainge. hes a great GM. hes done an unbelivable job with the celtics. hes one of the most respected GMS in the league. hes not going anywhere anytime soon. love the flying elvis.

glad somebody, including you, is happy

 

[captain insano]

glad somebody, including you, is happy

the overwhelming majority of celtics fans are very happy with the job danny Ainge has done with the Celtics. you are in the very tiny minority.

 

[Off The Grid]

Seriously.

Stupid-Ass phucking Trade, unless Thomas's lost a Leg, and maybe even then.

There is such a thing as Chemistry, and the C's've gutted theirs.

Trading Bradley for Nothing ~ yeah, I know there're Cap Considerations, but this could've been done in a far better way ~ was stupid enough.

This Trade was disgustingly stupid.

No need to be Premature E's...Hold the Pix, develop the best Top Talent Top 8 Depth in the History of the Game as CleveLand and G State Fade...and then Rock.

Incredibly stupid Trade. I pray that it implodes.

*Edit: The Cavs have to trade Erving. Who has the Leverage??? We do.

Erving's Trade Value is depressed. Hello??? James is Vapor. Phuck those guys. They have to move Erving. Don't give'm a Core Piece of our Future, Ainge, you Hole.

Offer'm Thomas straight up, Doubtful Health and all.

And'f they don't like it?? Wait'm out.

They'll come around.

Chemistry is the most overrated cliche people use about sports.

You know what breeds chemistry? WINNING.

For all that wonderful heart warming chemistry, the team last year was a non factor. Big deal, they got to the ECF, they also got their heads smashed in. They were painfully below the level of Cleveland/GSW/SA

Bradley trade was a good one, cap space was needed for Hayward. Also Bradley is getting a max deal after this year. You want to pay him 25+ mill?

IT4 for Kyrie is a good swap. I love Thomas but he is undersized and his game is based on quickness. Not a good recipe for a 29yr old with hip issues. Yes the Brooklyn pick was a premium to pay, but its worth it to move your window back 3 years and get the better player back.

and FYI, Thomas's trade value was damaged just as much as Irving's. Everyone knows his hip is in bad shape and everyone knows he's going to look for a max deal as an undersized 30 yr old with said bad hip

I'd been far too intensely busy to address your Garbage until now, but it's been on my list, so to speak, and I've got a few minutes.

01 ~ First off: this sewage: "You know what breeds chemistry? WINNING."

Wrong, genius. Chemistry breeds Winning, not the other way around. Or haven't you heard'f the New EngLand Patriots??

02 ~ The Bradley trade was stupid if ~ and Ainge is entitled to an "if" ~ they couldn't move any other Player for nothing ~ which is what we got back, in case you haven't figured that out, genius ~ in the same Salary Range. And nobody is suggesting we should've kept'm beyond next Year and maxed'm. That notion came entirely from your own fevered imagination.

03 ~ "IT4 for Kyrie is a good swap. I love Thomas but he is undersized and his game is based on quickness. Not a good recipe for a 29yr old with hip issues. Yes the Brooklyn pick was a premium to pay, but its worth it to move your window back 3 years and get the better player back."

A Premium??? It wasn't a Premium, genius. It was a 2 for 1 ~ and then some!! Trading the Brooklyn Pick was trading someone who'll probably play at a very high level, might be flat out great, and very possibly could prove to be a Franchise Player...and on a Rookie Contract!! Hello?? Turns out: There's a Salary Cap, and that was a potential CornerStone.

It Is What It Is. Trading for Irving? Great Move.

Giving up the New Jersey Pick? Stupid.

Ainge is excellent, but no way in Hell that CleveLand doesn't do that Deal for the Pick we got from Philly...or even a hell'f a lot less.

 

[Off The Grid]

the 2008 Celtics traded for a couple exceptional players and immediately won a title. The Heat did the same thing a couple years later and won 2 titles in the next 4 years. LeBron came back to Cleveland to a bunch of fanfare after that and immediately went to 3 straight finals and won a title. The Warriors responded by adding Kevin Durant to their core and immediately won a title.

Chemistry matters, but it doesn't matter anywhere near as much as talent. If the Celtics turn Bradley and Crowder into Hayward and Tatum, I'm fine with that. Partly because they're replacing two character guys with two more character guys, but also because the guys coming in are significantly more talented than the guys heading out.

We had already seen what the IT/Bradley/Smart/Crowder/Horford/Olynyk Celtics could do. We saw their ceiling, and it was getting decisively beaten by a team that was in turn decisively beaten in the finals. They had to improve on that core, and that's what they've done. Getting Hayward was the right move, and that entailed letting Bradley and Olynyk go. You do that 10 times out of 10 and never look back. Eventually, Crowder was always going to have to go too if only to free up minutes for Brown and Tatum on a team that already features Hayward.

As far as replacing IT with Kyrie... I'm pretty indifferent to it, tbh. I prefer IT as a person and a rooting interest, and I think IT's best season--2016--was better than any season Kyrie's put together. But as an asset over the next 3 years, Kyrie is better to have because of age and cost control. So my feelings are mixed, and on an emotional level I don't like the trade, but if Stevens thinks it's the right call then I've got a hunch that it's wise to wait and see.

Thanks for rehashing what all'f us already know, under the guise of a rebuttal.

Thomas to Kyrie is obviously a colossal upgrade, and I applaud getting Value for Thomas before letting'm go for nothing a Year from now.

It's the colossal blunder of including the Brooklyn Pick and Crowder that I object to, when CleveLand was up against it and we could've held'm for Ransom: They had to trade. We...did not. Surprised, really, that Ainge blundered, so, after exhibiting so much patience, previously.

Well...we don't have as explosive a Future as we did before that Trade, but explosive, it still is...And now we're poised to take it to the next level, although I suspect that we won't look that way until March or so.

 

[rochrist]

Thanks for rehashing what all'f us already know, under the guise of a rebuttal.

Thomas to Kyrie is obviously a colossal upgrade, and I applaud getting Value for Thomas before letting'm go for nothing a Year from now.

It's the colossal blunder of including the Brooklyn Pick and Crowder that I object to, when CleveLand was up against it and we could've held'm for Ransom: They had to trade. We...did not. Surprised, really, that Ainge blundered, so, after exhibiting so much patience, previously.

Well...we don't have as explosive a Future as we did before that Trade, but explosive, it still is...And now we're poised to take it to the next level, although I suspect that we won't look that way until March or so.

What you're missing is that the trade was Kyrie for BRK 18. IT was just a throw in because we have no place for him with Irving here and he's damaged goods on top of it. Damaged enough that I doubt he's ever again as effective as he was last year. And that doesn't even take into account his age.

Additionally, don't be surprised in the BRK pick is closer to 10 than it is 1.