Celtics trade Isaiah Thomas, Brooklyn 2018 pick & players for Kyrie Irving

[rochrist]

Already passing a complete apprasial of his career after one year?

It IS Captain Stone after all.

 

[ALP]

Reason?

Davis > Horford, Tatum, Brown.

i mean, i think davis is damn good, but...that's quite a bit excessive, particularly since we don't know what tatum/brown even are right now...

I would say horford is about 70% of Davis today...

 

[Kdo5]

He can't dribble, can't pass, can't shoot…What exactly can he do on offense that's helpful?
The only way he can contribute is on defense, if he puts in the effort…but he'll need to ditch the feeling of entitlement that being the undeserved #3 overall pick has given him.

Danny should've drafted Jamal Murray, but that's just one mistake of many in a near decade-long run of more misses than hits on draft night.

He can improve on all of that. Most rookies in the NBA take time to develop. Brown has the physical tools and potential. Let us see where he is at in 2-3 seasons.

You have already deemed that he is incapable of being a major contributor on a contending team after his rookie season, which was decent. You lessen your credibility as much (if not more) as the people who are already predicting stardom for Brown.

Brown can ball. Potential trade partners have been trying to pry him (and Tatum) away and the Celtics have refused to package him. That tells me there is confidence surrounding the kids future.

 

[RobertWeathers]

i mean, i think davis is damn good, but...that's quite a bit excessive, particularly since we don't know what tatum/brown even are right now...

I would say horford is about 70% of Davis today...

The question is....

Does Davis/Irving/Hayward beat GS.

 

[Bill Lee]

Most rookies in the NBA take time to develop.

That's one thing that people who highly value the BKN pick don't seem to be factoring in. Young players take some time to develop especially with the current one-and-done approach to college. There's so many "ifs" with the BKN pick. If they are in the lottery. If they draw the top level pick. If they pick a good player. If that player makes an impact relatively soon. If that player can perform not just during the regular season but also deep into the finals. Kyrie has his issues, but a lot of those "ifs" are solved when you go for someone like him.

Boston has had a lot of excellent opportunities in the draft. It's nice to add a player who's past that phase of their career and is already an impact player. It's funny how some who rip on Brown also wanted to keep the BKN pick. How many bites of the apple is enough? It'll be easy to second guess if many of the "ifs" become true, but anyone can second guess.

 

[BradyFTW!]

p.p.s.: Danny blinked, as predicted.

A 2020 2nd rounder isn't exactly blinking. At that point it's basically a symbolic concession to allow Altman to save some face and make sure he doesn't sabotage himself just to **** us.

 

[BradyFTW!]

He can improve on all of that. Most rookies in the NBA take time to develop. Brown has the physical tools and potential. Let us see where he is at in 2-3 seasons.

You have already deemed that he is incapable of being a major contributor on a contending team after his rookie season, which was decent. You lessen your credibility as much (if not more) as the people who are already predicting stardom for Brown.

Brown can ball. Potential trade partners have been trying to pry him (and Tatum) away and the Celtics have refused to package him. That tells me there is confidence surrounding the kids future.

Brown is super intriguing, partly because his floor and his ceiling are still so far apart, even by raw prospect standards. As last year went on, I developed confidence in him to hit open corner 3s. That's huge. I also love his defensive effort, and I think he's well on his way to becoming an elite wing defender. Last year he made too many mental mistakes, but that's kinda to be expected from a 19 year old.

The biggest thing I see holding him back is I've never got the sense that having the ball in his hands comes naturally to him. I don't love his vision or his handle as a primary ballhandler/distributor, and while he's young enough that that could develop the odds are significantly against that happening. Which is still fine, assuming he makes even reasonable improvements in those areas, I could easily see him becoming a much better version of Jae Crowder. Which may sound a little underwhelming if you're hoping he'll be a superstar, but I don't think that would be a bad outcome. You can win titles with a guy like that as your fourth best player, and he could develop into more.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I really can't believe people are hung up on this 2020 second round pick

Literally couldn't be more useless

I wouldn't say it's useless; all picks have some value. I agree that it's a small enough concession that it doesn't move the needle for me, though. Worth it just to get the Cavs to **** off and go waste someone else's time while they slide back into another 50 years of irrelevance.

 

[realtime]

Brown is super intriguing, partly because his floor and his ceiling are still so far apart, even by raw prospect standards. As last year went on, I developed confidence in him to hit open corner 3s. That's huge. I also love his defensive effort, and I think he's well on his way to becoming an elite wing defender. Last year he made too many mental expects, but that's kinda to be expected from a 19 year old.

The biggest thing I see holding him back is I've never got the sense that having the ball in his hands comes naturally to him. I don't love his vision or his handle as a primary ballhandler/distributor, and while he's young enough that that could develop the odds are significantly against that happening. Which is still fine, assuming he makes even reasonable improvements in those areas, I could easily see him becoming a much better version of Jae Crowder. Which may sound a little underwhelming if you're hoping he'll be a superstar, but I don't think that would be a bad outcome. You can win titles with a guy like that as your fourth best player, and he could develop into more.

Agree. I would say his absolute floor is an in-his-prime Crowder. That's disappointing for anyone who is frustrated that we passed on Jamal Murray and his off-the-charts offensive potential. But Brown is hardly a bust and still has plenty of upside.

 

[patfanken]

I wouldn't say it's useless; all picks have some value. I agree that it's a small enough concession that it doesn't move the needle for me, though. Worth it just to get the Cavs to **** off and go waste someone else's time while they slide back into another 50 years of irrelevance.

While on principle I would have rather told Gilbert to shove it up his ass, a second round pick 3 years from now (that you got from someone else) really isn't backing down. I liken it to when the Pats added a 7th rounder to complete the Welker deal and eliminated any chance Miami would match the offer. I wonder whatever became of the guy who they got with that pick.

 

[realtime]

While on principle I would have rather told Gilbert to shove it up his ass, a second round pick 3 years from now (that you got from someone else) really isn't backing down. I liken it to when the Pats added a 7th rounder to complete the Welker deal and eliminated any chance Miami would match the offer. I wonder whatever became of the guy who they got with that pick.

www.abrahamwright.com

 

[patfanken]

BTW- I happened to catch about half of the Irving/Haywood welcoming pr esser on TV. When you see the highlights of it in the coming days, I think you will be surprised just how articulate and urbane Kyrie Irving is, especially for a 25 year old.
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In comparison, if IT was Issiah from Dorchester or Charlestown; Irving would be Kyrie from Cambridge. I think he will love it here in Boston, and media will love him. He's different from IT. Thomas was the ultimate from the ground up story of overcoming the adversity of his circumstances growning up and his professional dealings with his size. I see Kyrie as more like Brady. Coming from a relatively comfortable upbringing, but with the maniacal competitiveness that makes you want to be great and willing to do what is necessary to make that happen.

The question that has yet to be answered is IS he willing to be coached (and his answers in this presser would leave you to believe he does respect Stevens), and does he understand that his own ulitmate legacy will depend on his abilities to elevate those around him as a team. (again, his answers would lead you to believe he understands this).

So while he clearly desires to have it perceived that this is HIS team, he also seems to understand that he can't do it alone. This is what Brady has done with the Pats. He leads by example and constantly elevates his teammates to be better as a team than they would be as individuals.

 

[patfanken]

www.abrahamwright.com

Well at least Wright seems like a good guy, but like most 7th round picks turned out to be one and done.

 

[Doctor DDS]

Jaylen Brown had a very similar rookie year to Joe Johnson. He improved his PPG and shooting % in the 2nd half of the year as well as his defense. He remains raw and has a ways to go but he should be one of the top 6 players on the team this year which for a 20 YO is where you'd expect him to be. Become a premium defender first then add to his offensive game with the hope that in 3 or 4 years he is a fringe allstar.

 

[Ivan]

Notice how most of them are people that continually second guess Belichick. Just seems to be their m.o. with all the sports teams they are fans of.

Winner

 

[ALP]

for the record...im not as fearful of GS as all yall are in here, please remind me how did we do against them last year? (and this year we're undeniably better)

CLE is much worse b/c they have (had) matchups that exposed us more, w/ GS its different, we matchup WELL with THEM

if we go into the finals next year with a core of Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Brown, Tatum and decent pieces around them (which is what we have today) i think they have a damn good shot at the title

 

[condon84]

I really can't believe people are hung up on this 2020 second round pick

Literally couldn't be more useless

We gave up one of our 25 second round picks in the next 4 years. What are we gonna do now?

 

[PatriotReign]

for the record...im not as fearful of GS as all yall are in here, please remind me how did we do against them last year? (and this year we're undeniably better)

CLE is much worse b/c they have (had) matchups that exposed us more, w/ GS its different, we matchup WELL with THEM

if we go into the finals next year with a core of Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Brown, Tatum and decent pieces around them (which is what we have today) i think they have a damn good shot at the title

They beat them while KD was hurt.

 

[dafoe2016]

Reason?

Davis > Horford, Tatum, Brown.

What possible reason would there be for New Orleans to take that pennies on the dollar trade without the Brooklyn pick which Special Ed Danny threw away and several others? Horford is grotesquely overpaid and invisible on most nights. As much as people rave about him, Brown hasn't actually done anything. He struggled to find minutes on a team that had no clear second scoring option behind IT and was a decent team, but nothing special. Tatum looks like an NBA ready scorer, but he hasn't played a minute of NBA basketball. Success in Summer League is meaningless. Marcus Smart lit up Summer League. And he is legitimate;y on of the worst offensive players in the league. Maybe the worst guard.

I wish people would stop focusing on AD anyway. He's signed for three years, at a very reasonable rate. He's not available. The only chance we had was using that Brooklyn pick to draft a franchise player and flipping him two years down the road. But why would you do that? It's not happening. We do not have the assets and he's not available.

 

[dafoe2016]

we all got our own little bit of crazy going on, whose really to say which is less and which is more?

Believing that the Earth is flat seems to be a pretty distinct line that separates the majority of society from true lunatics.