The O-Line’s performance against Atlanta in SB

[libra957]

Brady was sack 5 times and hit 16 times and down 28-3.....not bad for a 39 year old.

 

[Tony2046]

They have white and lewis to catch out of the backfield.

OK. You made me take a look at Blount's stats from last season. He rushed 299 times and was targeted for a pass 8 times. He caught 7 of those targets for an average of 5.4 yards per catch.

Lewis had 10.8 yards per catch and 36 receptions in 2015.

White had 9.2 yards per catch and 60 receptions last season.

So I was thinking, in my novice fan perspective, that having Gillislee catch passes out of the backfield keeps the opposing defenses from predicting run or pass. It may change the personnel they put on the field.

But now that you've brought it up and I've looked, I'm not sure why they didn't pass to Blount more. Was it because it wasn't successful enough to force defensive personnel changes?

I don't know. I was originally thinking that it's another way to keep the defense on their toes but now I don't know.

I'm going to see how often the Pats passed with Blount in the backfield.

 

[Tony2046]

I'm trying to get back into in-season mode. There's not really any point to breaking down X's and O's during the offseason unless the football talk really pulls me in. You'll see more X's and O's type posts as we get into the season. In the offseason, I'm more interested in making poop jokes. Thanks for the compliment, though, man. Looking forward to your film breakdowns too.

The basic premise of the film breakdowns is to draw in posts such as yours. I can read that stuff all day.

Side note: I'm waiting for game pass to finish its updating so that I can finish capturing all of Cooks' receptions from last season.

My next plan is to capture all of or most of Brady's throws starting with his TD's from last season. I may toss in JG's and JB's as well.

But Gamepass has been converting over to their new format for quite awhile now. It's still missing its search function. I hope I can finish both projects before the start of Preseason.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

I have a different take.
I'm not so sure Atlantas scheme worked as I am that early in the game players made plays.
It's not like our offense was inept. We moved the ball fine but just had inevitable bad play to short circuit drives.

If Blount doesn't fumble, the OL holds up in 2 3rd down sacks, and Brady and reads the coverage right on the pick 6 and hit so a wide open Edelman coming out of the bunch instead of forcing in to an expected to be open amendola this is close game maybe even patriots are up at half time.
What changed was the the patriots eliminated bad drive killing plays and couldn't be stopped.

I think there is truth to that. I also think Atlanta played Patriots bend-but-dont-break D all game in hopes of creating plays like the trap on the pick 6 or pressures/sacks...forcing the Pats to execute perfectly on high play-count drives. In the second half, Atlanta still forced long drives in small chunks, but the Pats used guys like Amendola and Mitchell on outs and comebacks, away from the traps/robber in the middle, matched up against inferior CBs rather than focus on Edelman, making the effort easier and thus easier to make plays in general.

Regards,
Chris

 

[Kontradiction]

I think there is truth to that. I also think Atlanta played Patriots bend-but-dont-break D all game in hopes of creating plays like the trap on the pick 6 or pressures/sacks...forcing the Pats to execute perfectly on high play-count drives. In the second half, Atlanta still forced long drives in small chunks, but the Pats used guys like Amendola and Mitchell on outs and comebacks, away from the traps/robber in the middle, matched up against inferior CBs rather than focus on Edelman, making the effort easier and thus easier to make plays in general.

Regards,
Chris

The Falcons didn't play BBDB at all.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

There was our new tackle's unfortunate tweet (now deleted!) about Solder during the game:

New Pats tackle criticized Solder during Super Bowl

 

[SHOWTIME15]

But now that you've brought it up and I've looked, I'm not sure why they didn't pass to Blount more. Was it because it wasn't successful enough to force defensive personnel changes?

blount is slow, that's why.

gillislee is much faster and with him back it will keep defenses guessing.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, but I think it's fair game to call out a player if you think their performance last year will carry over into 2017. No team is perfect.

Then talk about the player, don't trash the SB

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

The Falcons didn't play BBDB at all.

They didn't play blatant prevent D, but they tended to keep everything in front of them. This is why I think the comeback routes in the 2nd half were so successful. They gave up nothing deep. They almost never blitzed. Looked very BBDB to me.

Regards,
Chris

 

[Kontradiction]

They didn't play blatant prevent D, but they tended to keep everything in front of them. This is why I think the comeback routes in the 2nd half were so successful. They gave up nothing deep. They almost never blitzed. Looked very BBDB to me.

Regards,
Chris

No they didn't. They played almost exclusively man.

 

[TommyD4207]

James White

Career rushing TDs before Super Bowl: 2

Rushing TDs in Super Bowl: 2

He had 2 rushing TDs in his whole career. He had 2 in the postseason, all against Atlanta! Would have probably been MVP if it wasn't for Brady's numbers. Come on now.

James White. Atlanta's defense should be embarrassed.

I don't care. I can't stand it.

 

[K. Dog]

Still not over this. We gave up far too many sacks, and Brady got hit far too many times. Convince me my concerns are overblown.

I agree with you. I've read various arguments on here that I shouldn't trust my own lyin' eyes, but to me it looked like the O-line was doing poorly - as it did against Houston. That's two out of three playoff games where the Oline looked weak. It's also why I don't get the point of Cooks - I just don't think Brady has the time to throw long that much, and when he does have the time, we don't need anyone else.

That said, as a spectator without game experience or detailed expertise, I find the Oline vs Dline game the most difficult to understand. I just can't see who's making an error, what's happening, what kind of leverage is being done - I don't claim to understand at all what's really happening. But I saw Brady on the ground a lot, and hit a lot, it seemed.

Apart from strategic considerations, if we make the playoffs this season, Brady would presumably have 4 extra games under his belt by then compared to '16, and I'd be profoundly concerned about durability at that point if he keeps getting hit.

 

[Kontradiction]

I agree with you. I've read various arguments on here that I shouldn't trust my own lyin' eyes, but to me it looked like the O-line was doing poorly - as it did against Houston. That's two out of three playoff games where the Oline looked weak. It's also why I don't get the point of Cooks - I just don't think Brady has the time to throw long that much, and when he does have the time, we don't need anyone else.

That said, as a spectator without game experience or detailed expertise, I find the Oline vs Dline game the most difficult to understand. I just can't see who's making an error, what's happening, what kind of leverage is being done - I don't claim to understand at all what's really happening. But I saw Brady on the ground a lot, and hit a lot, it seemed.

Apart from strategic considerations, if we make the playoffs this season, Brady would presumably have 4 extra games under his belt by then compared to '16, and I'd be profoundly concerned about durability at that point if he keeps getting hit.

So the OL played poorly, but you don't know what you're looking at either. Makes sense.

 

[PatsWSB47]

I looked out my window this morning and concluded the world is flat. If we sailed out there too far
last year we'd have gone over the edge....I don't claim to know at all what's really happening but I see ships out there ready to fall off all the time and I'm concerned that we might fall off completely this year if we keep sailing like this

 

[zydecochris]

blount is slow, that's why.

gillislee is much faster and with him back it will keep defenses guessing.

I think you mean that blount wasn't quick or sudden (like Gillislee is), like you need to be as a receiver making cuts, etc.

Blount was fast enough if he could build up a head of steam (and was a terror to bring down in the secondary), but it took him a number of steps to build up speed (like many big backs).

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I think you mean that blount wasn't quick or sudden (like Gillislee is), like you need to be as a receiver making cuts, etc.

Blount was fast enough if he could build up a head of steam (and was a terror to bring down in the secondary), but it took him a number of steps to build up speed (like many big backs).

yes, that is what i meant. he's like a mack truck - starts off slowly behind the LOS but once he's in the open field he's tough to stop.

 

[PatsFan2]

Pats Team like myself in the SB slept for Three Quarters and like myself they woke up in the Fourth.

 

[Bruins29]

I agree with you. I've read various arguments on here that I shouldn't trust my own lyin' eyes, but to me it looked like the O-line was doing poorly - as it did against Houston. That's two out of three playoff games where the Oline looked weak. It's also why I don't get the point of Cooks - I just don't think Brady has the time to throw long that much, and when he does have the time, we don't need anyone else.

That said, as a spectator without game experience or detailed expertise, I find the Oline vs Dline game the most difficult to understand. I just can't see who's making an error, what's happening, what kind of leverage is being done - I don't claim to understand at all what's really happening. But I saw Brady on the ground a lot, and hit a lot, it seemed.

Apart from strategic considerations, if we make the playoffs this season, Brady would presumably have 4 extra games under his belt by then compared to '16, and I'd be profoundly concerned about durability at that point if he keeps getting hit.

Read and Learn more. Post less. My advice to you at this point. You are embarrassing yourself especially the comments about Cooks which are cringe worthy.

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

Grady Jarrett had 3 sacks in the whole regular season. He had 3 in the postseason, all against us! Would have probably been MVP had they won. Come on now.

Grady Jarrett

He had a Kony Ealy-like game (minus the forced fumble and pick)

 

[DarrylS]

The Patriots ran 90+ plays in SB LI, Brady passed the ball 62 times with 43 completions..

Compare to the 41+ plays that Atlanta ran... Ryan 23 passes with 17 completions..

TOP Pats 40:31 to Atl 23:27...

3 Sacks against a very good defense is not all that bad.. it could always be better, but have to remember they did a great job when it really mattered..

Brady was sacked about 8% of the time he threw, Ryan about 23% of the time he threw.. these are very overwhelming numbers that indicate how well the Pats played..

Can we assume that if Ryan threw 62 passes he would have been sacked about 12 times??

The glass is half full Pats Fans.. pinch yourselves.