Tom Brady has won more playoff games than Joe Montana qualified for

[fightingirish595]

When assessing playoff excellence vs Joe Cool, you have stated that Brady's longevity is a heavily weighted, deciding factor in his favor.

I think its more than that.



Taking that into account, hes 12 reg seasons as a starter and 11 in playoffs.

If you are comparing him to Tom, his 4 one and dones hurt him.

They absolutely hurt. That's 2 extra one and dones. his durability prevented him from having more appearances too. That makes Brady better

 

[shmessy]

The final tally is that Joe didn't become a starter until halfway through his second season when the 49ers weren't any good.........

Wow,that is some failed argument to be exhibiting on a Patriots fan board right there.

Because no one here will fall for thinking that the 0-2 team that Brady took over when Bledsoe got hurt (which was 5-11 the year before) was some kind of elite program.

Did you think anyone here would?

 

[fightingirish595]

Wow,that is some failed argument to be exhibiting on a Patriots fan board right there.

Because no one here will fall for thinking that the 0-2 team that Brady took over when Bledsoe got hurt (which was 5-11 the year before) was some kind of elite program.

That team had good players, come on you know that. And had a good coach

 

[Ring 6]

That team had good players, come on you know that. And had a good coach

And Walsh sucked?

 

[shmessy]

Joe missed almost all of 91 and 92. Got hurt in an NFC title game. The guy was no wear near As durable as Brady. Joes team also missed the playoffs in a strike shortened season one year. The longetivity is what sets them apart

No it isn't.

You are conflating Quantity with Quality.

Brady has been a BETTER QB:

Career QB Rating - M-92.3, B-97.2

TD-INT: M - 273-139 (2-1 ratio), B - 456-152 (3-1 ratio)

Those are QUALITATIVE comparisons, not QUANTITAVE.

And, yes, if you want to get into QUANTITATIVE, then it is even less close.

BTW, Montana played for an OFFENSIVE genius and Brady played for DEFENSIVE genius. Montana had all the built in advantages there.

Joe Montana: Career Stats at NFL.com

Tom Brady: Career Stats at NFL.com

 

[Deus Irae]

That team had good players, come on you know that. And had a good coach

Now you're just flailing about like a blind man trying to hit a champion boxer.

Montana's coach in 1980 was Bill Walsh, and that team had good players.


Seriously, stop. You're never going to be able to get out of the hole you're digging.

 

[fightingirish595]

No it isn't.

You are conflating Quantity with Quality.

Brady has been a BETTER QB:

Career QB Rating - M-92.3, B-97.2

TD-INT: M - 273-139 (2-1 ratio), B - 456-152 (3-1 ratio)

Those are QUALITATIVE comparisons, not QUANTITAVE.

And, yes, if you want to get into QUANTITATIVE, then it is even less close.

Joe Montana: Career Stats at NFL.com

Tom Brady: Career Stats at NFL.com

Regular season stats weren't the discussion. I'm not going to dispute those facts you posted though because that would be foolish

 

[fightingirish595]

Now you're just flailing away like a blind man trying to hit a champion boxer.

Montana's coach in 1980 was Bill Walsh, and that team had good players.

They were far better in 81 because of their draft. There roster was significantly better in 81 than 80.

 

[Deus Irae]

They were far better in 81 because of their draft. There roster was significantly better in 81 than 80.

That's irrelevant.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I wish tommy had worked on his mobility earlier in his career. He seem's more nimble and light on his feet these days.

 

[Kontradiction]

Wow,that is some failed argument to be exhibiting on a Patriots fan board right there.

Because no one here will fall for thinking that the 0-2 team that Brady took over when Bledsoe got hurt (which was 5-11 the year before) was some kind of elite program.

Did you think anyone here would?

Your signature lmaooooo.

 

[fightingirish595]

That's irrelevant.

No it's not. You just said they had a good players in 80 when they really didn't. Their defense was horrible. They drafted tremendously in 1981. The 2001 pats would win easily against the 1980 49ers

 

[shmessy]

That team had good players, come on you know that. And had a good coach

Walsh was the Head Coach of the 49ers the year Montana was drafted and most of the personnel for the SB team of 1981 was already on the team - - there was no free agency back then.

Freddie Solomon and Dwight Clark in 1980 were better than anyone Brady had to throw to in 2001, save Troy Brown.

Exactly what point are you trying to make, because you are failing badly at every objective turn here.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They absolutely hurt. That's 2 extra one and dones. his durability prevented him from having more appearances too. That makes Brady better

So did some of his teams and the fact that he was no longer better than Steve Young.

 

[BigEZPatsFan76]

Yeah and Montana had the benefit of throwing to the greatest receiver of all time, Rice.....
So Brady has done more with less and it isn't longevity...

Yep, not to mention in 2006, Brady was within an eye lash of going to and winning the Super Bowl with Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as his main receivers. (Oh thinking of this loss always my blood boil, as that OPI call, changed the entire game). We would have killed the bears IN SB 41. Back to my point, with the surrounding talent Joe Montana had around him, Mickey Mouse could have been a star QB. Imagine Brady having such a supporting cast around him.

 

[Deus Irae]

No it's not. You just said they had a good players in 80 when they really didn't. Their defense was horrible. They drafted tremendously in 1981. The 2001 pats would win easily against the 1980 49ers

They did have good players in 1980. Having more good players in 1981 doesn't change that, one way or the other.

And whether the 2001 Patriots would, or would not, defeat the 1980 49ers is also irrelevant.

You are making yourself look like a fool. Just stop.

 

[fightingirish595]

So did some of his teams and the fact that he was no longer better than Steve Young.

And thats not suprising considering the beatings the guy took

 

[fightingirish595]

They did have good players in 1980. Having more good players in 1981 doesn't change that, one way or the other.

And whether the 2001 Patriots would, or would not, defeat the 1980 49ers is also irrelevant.

You are making yourself look like a fool. Just stop.

Not its not irrelevant because people are trying to make it seem like Brady was the savior in 2001. Yeah maybe Bledsoe was a problem. But the talent levels on the team Brady took over and The team montana took over is significant. the 49ers were 2-14 in 1979. And their roster didnt get a whole lot better after 79 going into 80

 

[fightingirish595]

Walsh was the Head Coach of the 49ers the year Montana was drafted and most of the personnel for the SB team of 1981 was already on the team - - there was no free agency back then.

Freddie Solomon and Dwight Clark in 1980 were better than anyone Brady had to throw to in 2001, save Troy Brown.

Exactly what point are you trying to make, because you are failing badly at every objective turn here.

There defense was attrocius until 1981. If you cant see that then im sorry

 

[Deus Irae]

Not its not irrelevant because people are trying to make it seem like Brady was the savior in 2001. Yeah maybe Bledsoe was a problem. But the talent levels on the team Brady took over and The team montana took over is significant. the 49ers were 2-14 in 1979. And their roster didnt get a whole lot better after 79 going into 80

It is irrelevant. This was your post:

That team had good players, come on you know that. And had a good coach

"That team" is the 2001 Patriots, and I responded by noting that the same was true of the 1980 49ers, with Bill Walsh as the head coach. "That team" is not the 1981 49ers, or the 2002 Patriots.

I'm trying to be polite here, but your posts are becoming moronic, and it's getting more difficult to be nice about it.