Adam Schefter: Patriots want minimum of 1st and 4th round picks for QB Jimmy Garoppolo

[fightingirish595]

Would Pats fans really be upset if trading Jimmy this offseason led Brady and the team to one or two more Super Bowl titles (after the potential one this year)?
I would be okay with Jimmy being an All Pro player for another team in 2020 if that meant the Pats franchise had 6 or more championships.

If I had a choice between keeping Jimmy and not winning more championships while he's the backup, or trading him and getting the championships, I'll take the championships. But your speaking of a hypothetical situation. No one knows what a trade will lead too

 

[AHoodieWorshipperInParis]

I can't see a scenario where JG would want to wait and waste 5-7 years of his career. He is either traded this year or next off season after being tagged. The alternative is to "Montana" Brady, which I can't see happening while he is still capable of bringing home the Lombardi's. If I were to bet JG is playing else where next year and Bill has multiple hands to play on Thursday night of the draft.

In addition if you are a QB needy team, and graded JG out as a 2-3rd round pick coming out of the draft. Then factor in three seasons under the GOAT, learning how to be a pro and do it right. He's 25, performed well in the two games he played in the NFL. How do you take the UNC kid over that, assuming the UNC kid comes out after one season as a starter. To me its a no brainer, but I am discussing this on a forum and not in an NFL war room.

But watching CSN Chicago right now and they are talking about this very subject. Although they assume Fox is staying, I would not be surprised if he is gone. And if I am Josh I think the Bears would be a great spot. Stable ownership, excellent fan base and bring your boy JG with you. Just my $0.02!

Well, the "Montana/Young" comparison was a bad one considering how it ended my point is they may have to make a clear call by the start of the 2017 NFL year (March), either keep him (try to get a creative long term deal done while convincing Jimmy he will have a shot to take over within the next 2/4 years and the starting QB job for the best NFL team is worth waiting) of trade him (as long as his trade value is at its peak). Unless they think Brady may significantly decline before the end of his current contract (I'm sure they don't), any intermediate choice (Franchise him in 2018, 2019 ?) would potentially make the final decision even tougher and put the franchise in an uncomfortable long term situation. The sooner you make this choice, the better you can project / start preparing for the Post-GOAT Era.

Having said that, I think Gropp will be gone if the price is right. Getting a fair compensation that would help keeping the Brady/Belichick title window wide open would be worth it. Gropp has "Chicago Bears" written all over his face and a reunion with Josh in Windy City would make too much sense. I would settle for their likely #3 overall pick + Akiem Hicks if they are willing to pay the right price for a franchise-altering double move. Their offense is a QB + a creative offensive mind away from getting them back to division/conference contention.

 

[goheels22002]

Browns have 2 picks in first round

1st pick
10th pick

Would be huge if we got the 10th pick.

Going to be a busy offseason

OT Cam Robinson from Alabama could be on the board at the #10 spot - he's the top tackle in the draft and would be a huge pickup to replace Vollmer and be the heir apparent to Solder. That would be worth it.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

OT Cam Robinson from Alabama could be on the board at the #10 spot - he's the top tackle in the draft and would be a huge pickup to replace Vollmer and be the heir apparent to Solder. That would be worth it.

Cam is really raw and lacks technique. I look at him as being similar to smith, the Ot the bengals took a few years ago from Alabama.

Best case scenario we get a high enough draft pick in 2018 for jimmy, that we can draft Rosen of ucla. He is the real deal!

 

[VJCPatriot]

Would be pretty awesome to get the #1 overall pick from the Browns.... LOL

The Eagles 1st rounder is probably also a top 10 pick with how badly they are doing this season. So from the Browns I'd accept the Eagles 1st plus a 4th if that is the going price for JG.

 

[NormZauchin]

If anyone disagrees with you they need to have their head examined. Especially if BB drafts 2-3 impact players that are Pro-Bowl caliber.

It depends on the length of time you want the players to be on your team. If Belichick selected 2-3 impact players, we would be in the same situation as we were recently with Chandler Jones, Hightower, and Collins.
We would get 4 to 5 years of play from them, and then, most likely, be able to keep only one as they came up for resigning. A franchise quarterback, though expensive, is usually on the team for as long as he is playing well.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The Eagles 1st rounder is probably also a top 10 pick with how badly they are doing this season. So from the Browns I'd accept the Eagles 1st plus a 4th if that is the going price for JG.

I would take the bears first rounder instead. It would put us in play for myles garret.

 

[NormZauchin]

QUOTE="supafly, post: 4881988, member: 15745"]I couldn't imagine too many scenarios where he brings the very top pick in the draft as compensation.

I will be happy with a first rounder in the teens, and pleasantly surprised at anything more.[/QUOTE]
I agree that getting the overall number one pick is unlikely, but I was fantasizing about what it might bring. Living down here in Washington, I saw the Redskins trade their number one pick (sixth in the first round), and their number two pick in 2012 for the Rams first round pick (number two, overall) in 2012 to get RGIII. The Skins also threw in their first round picks for the next two years. The Rams turned these picks into eight players. Yet while decidedly winning the trade, the Rams have remained a poor team - maybe due to Fisher being the head coach. Anyway, I would love to see what GM Belichick would do in a similar situation.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It depends on the length of time you want the players to be on your team. If Belichick selected 2-3 impact players, we would be in the same situation as we were recently with Chandler Jones, Hightower, and Collins. We would get 4 to 5 years of play from them, and then, most likely, be able to keep only one as they came up for resigning.

The goal is certainly to have a top pick spend their entire career with team but as we have seen it doesn't always work out that way. All things considered, if they land players like those you have mentioned, not a bad outcome considering you drafted 3 ProBowlers, won a Super Bowl and fielded a top 10 defense.

A franchise quarterback, though expensive, is usually on the team for as long as he is playing well.

Of course. If Brady was 2015 Manning we would not be discussing this but since he represents a valuable asset that can be traded for additional assets because he won't be playing, its an envious position.

 

[kennyb]

Yeah, what NFL team would trade away a bunch of their draft picks for a QB who has never played in the NFL before and then pay the guy a boatload of money?
Jared Goff

Goff make 20m per year? No, he doesn't, so your point is idiotic.

 

[kennyb]

He's a 2nd round physical talent, and he's looked awesome in what limited reps he's got. He's still young, he's cheap, and he's been groomed by the best organization in football.

He's certainly as-if-not-more attractive than Goff or Wentz was, and look at the King's ransoms those guys demanded.

He's young and "cheap"? Not if he's resigned for 20m per year the way supafly thinks he will be.

He's cheap for one year and then you have to pay a non cheap salary. Which I don't think would be 20m but it would be higher than a rookie deal.

 

[kennyb]

All of the talk from fans and media members is based on the assumption that someone will part with at least a first round pick for him, so obviously he's going to be paid like a franchise QB. His contract is up in 15 months. As a matter of fact, the suggestion of high picks is even in the title of the thread and a comment by Schefter.

I don't even understand the debate, to be perfectly honest with you. You're suggesting that Garoppolo will bring a higher round draft pick, right? Obviously, if that's the case he's going to be a starter and rightfully paid like one.

The debate is whether JG is worth high picks and a 20m per year contract. Based on 6 quarters of work.

I don't think he is. He might be worth high picks if he can be locked up for a cheap contract, but that's it.

You think he will be. 6 quarters of work and he'll be paid more than Brady. And theyll pay picks to do so. And it's not even debateable!

 

[RobertWeathers]

The debate is whether JG is worth high picks and a 20m per year contract. Based on 6 quarters of work.

I don't think he is. He might be worth high picks if he can be locked up for a cheap contract, but that's it.

You think he will be. 6 quarters of work and he'll be paid more than Brady. And theyll pay picks to do so. And it's not even debateable!

His worth will be determined by the market for his services.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

OT Cam Robinson from Alabama could be on the board at the #10 spot - he's the top tackle in the draft and would be a huge pickup to replace Vollmer and be the heir apparent to Solder. That would be worth it.

I rather they go defense. DL

 

[kennyb]

His worth will determined by the market for his services.

That's a very incisive comment, thanks.

The debate is over what that market would be.

 

[VJCPatriot]

You should ease up on the insults here, dude. This is friendly debate between fans. No reason to get personal.

I've visited a few fan forums of the teams that potentially want JG, and they value him from anywhere from two 3rds, to two 2nds, to a 1st round pick swap, all the way to a 1st plus additional pick. Many fans value picks above actual players, so the low end of the spectrum is what an average 'fan poster' would want to pay for JG. Others realize that the market dictates value and are willing to pony up.

I don't think a 2nd rounder alone cuts it as compensation, nor does two 3rds. I can't be sure what JG will actually return, but of course I'm hoping for the max return because he's a big asset for the team. Unfortunately for him Brady is going strong and will probably start at least another 3 years for us.

Goff make 20m per year? No, he doesn't, so your point is idiotic.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's a very incisive comment, thanks.

The debate is over what that market would be.

Thats not what you said in your post but thats fine

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I would take the bears first rounder instead. It would put us in play for myles garret.

They're other impact players on defense besides myles garrett.

 

[supafly]

The debate is whether JG is worth high picks and a 20m per year contract. Based on 6 quarters of work.

I don't think he is. He might be worth high picks if he can be locked up for a cheap contract, but that's it.

You think he will be. 6 quarters of work and he'll be paid more than Brady. And theyll pay picks to do so. And it's not even debateable!

Fair enough man. We see this one a bit differently and that's fine. Perhaps when all is said and done, you are a lot closer than I am. Thanks for the response.

 

[patman52]

I never get this 1st and a forth stuff. It is like a top 10 pick has the same value as the 28th. Now if it was reported that the pats wanted a mid 1st value, you can get an idea of how much they value him.