Adam Schefter: Patriots want minimum of 1st and 4th round picks for QB Jimmy Garoppolo

[goheels22002]

Scuttlebutt says he'll be franchised.

2017 is the time to go Medieval. Political correctness is out. Payback is in.

Mr. Kraft should franchise Garoppolo and offer him to any team in the NFL that brings us Roger Goodell's head on a pike.

 

[AHoodieWorshipperInParis]

What would have kept the Pats out of the SB in 2008 was not Cassel's play—by season's end he was playing as well as any QB in the NFL—but mounting injuries.

OK, granted : so, we had only one year of actual/efficient QB insurance before the JimmyG era, and about 13 seasons of "No Brady No Hope" situation. That was my point, we have been a pretty successful dynasty for 15 years (and counting) without any solid back up plan in case of season-ending injury of our starter, assuming that whoever the backup would be, he wouldn't be good enough to take us to the Big Game. So if Jimmy had to leave, I would be OK to keep going all in relying on Brady's health. That being said, the decision to be made about Jimmy G is not so much about getting rid of a capable backup for the remaining of the Brady era, but getting a heir apparent in the good timing.

 

[AHoodieWorshipperInParis]

I don't know if I have seen enough of Jimmy G yet to say he keeps the Pats in SB contention (if contention is being used as actually winning the big game and not just making the playoffs).
For me, besides BB, Brady is the most important piece to the Pats constantly being contenders. Opposing defenses have to scheme differently for a Brady led team.
I could be wrong, but I am fairly confidant that the Pats are not in the driver's seat for the 1 seed if JG played all year and not Brady.

Who knows... The same could have been said about Dak Prescott after his first games : "teams will gameplan on him as it goes along, he will be struggling by the end of the season, Romo will take back his job"...

 

[heavyde050]

Who knows... The same could have been said about Dak Prescott after his first games : "teams will gameplan on him as it goes along, he will be struggling by the end of the season, Romo will take back his job"...

The difference with Dak is he played and won at a major D1 school and has the help of the best offensive line and one of the best RBs in all of football.
My position the entire time has been to trade Jimmy G if they get the value they need bc it looks like he won't be able to beat out Brady before they need to make a decision on his contract. I could be wrong.
As I mentioned before I am just hoping for Brady to leave the Pats and retire with 5 or 6 titles.

 

[The Gr8est]

OK, granted : so, we had only one year of actual/efficient QB insurance before the JimmyG era, and about 13 seasons of "No Brady No Hope" situation. That was my point, we have been a pretty successful dynasty for 15 years (and counting) without any solid back up plan in case of season-ending injury of our starter, assuming that whoever the backup would be, he wouldn't be good enough to take us to the Big Game. So if Jimmy had to leave, I would be OK to keep going all in relying on Brady's health. That being said, the decision to be made about Jimmy G is not so much about getting rid of a capable backup for the remaining of the Brady era, but getting a heir apparent in the good timing.

Coincidence or no?

When the Pats were forced to go to Brady's backups for 4 games, both ended up physically unable to play after 4 games.

The Pats were not only happy to have Brady back because he's TFB, he also was the only healthy QB the Pats had.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

So nobody here thinks that GMs may be wondering if a QB who couldn't last 2 full nfl games might be a risky career decision???
Such considerations affect the market price.

 

[Gwedd]

So nobody here thinks that GMs may be wondering if a QB who couldn't last 2 full nfl games might be a risky career decision???
Such considerations affect the market price.

Then again, nobody expected Ditka to trade away ALL of New Orleans' draft picks just to get a running back.

It's like going to an estate auction. Everyone sets their limits and has an understanding of values and what they want, etc. But there's always that one guy who gets bid up because he just has to have that one item.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Doesn't one other guy have to bid all the way up to bid n-1?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

So nobody here thinks that GMs may be wondering if a QB who couldn't last 2 full nfl games might be a risky career decision???
Such considerations affect the market price.

And the fact that Miami has knocked 7 QBs out of games this year might mitigate that.

 

[AHoodieWorshipperInParis]

So nobody here thinks that GMs may be wondering if a QB who couldn't last 2 full nfl games might be a risky career decision???
Such considerations affect the market price.

Sure, the perception of Jimmy's value would have been much higher if he had played the full 4 games. I hate those new generations of disloyal NFL players who fake injuries just to keep their trade value low and make it affordable for their hometown team.

 

[Mogamedogz]

If we let him go for anything less than what Shefter reported, I for one would be pissed, only to get over it after realizing that Bill did what's best. Per usual.

 

[RobertWeathers]

If we let him go for anything less than what Shefter reported, I for one would be pissed, only to get over it after realizing that Bill did what's best. Per usual.

Exactly.

Bill is not perfect but if its players, picks, etc I think he's exceptional at maximizing value.

 

[sambam94]

with so many 1st round picks never becoming impact players, how can Jimmy G not be worth a 1st rounder minimum?...What we saw in the Miami game was not a mirage, the kid can play in this league.

 

[Love The Drake]

Hold on to the kid for as long as we can unless we are in love with Brissett and if we can get the next Julius Peppers,Richard Seymour,TY LAW kind of player in return.

 

[Bill Lee]

with so many 1st round picks never becoming impact players, how can Jimmy G not be worth a 1st rounder minimum?...What we saw in the Miami game was not a mirage, the kid can play in this league.

I can imagine the other GMs are thinking JG will almost certainly be available a year from now without giving up a 1st rounder, and in the mean time they presume their GM skill is so great that they'll turn that 1st rounder into something great.

Besides, from the other GM's point of view, the Sam Bradford trade is not the right comparable. The Vikings offered up the 1st and 4th because they were desperate, and Bradford had several years track record so he's much more of a known quantity. Even the Matt Cassel + Vrabel for a 2nd was for known quantities. They'll use the Ostweiler situation as an example of how it could all go very wrong.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

I can imagine the other GMs are thinking JG will almost certainly be available a year from now without giving up a 1st rounder, and in the mean time they presume their GM skill is so great that they'll turn that 1st rounder into something great.

Besides, from the other GM's point of view, the Sam Bradford trade is not the right comparable. The Vikings offered up the 1st and 4th because they were desperate, and Bradford had several years track record so he's much more of a known quantity. Even the Matt Cassel + Vrabel for a 2nd was for known quantities. They'll use the Ostweiler situation as an example of how it could all go very wrong.

I think Garoppolo has a much higher ceiling than Sam Bradford. But you make some valid points. Trading a 1st rounder for Garoppolo, while it has great payoff, is also a big, calculated risk for GMs.

Here's what I would say to a GM, who's worried about the Osweiler precedent: It might not be ideal, but at the very least, you bring Garoppolo into a situation where you get to see him play one year on his rookie contract, and then see how he adjusts throughout the season. Worst case scenario, if he doesn't pan out, you can let him walk without having a major cap hit. And if he does well, you can either use the franchise tag or sign him to a long-term extension.

It's the kind of situation where you might lose draft capital, but will avoid binding yourself to a risky, damaging cap situation vis-a-vis the Osweiler signing.

 

[Bill Lee]

I think Garoppolo has a much higher ceiling than Sam Bradford. But you make some valid points. Trading a 1st rounder for Garoppolo, while it has great payoff, is also a big, calculated risk for GMs.

I agree JG has a much higher ceiling. Apparently the Vikes saw what Bradford had and thought it was good enough to get them into the playoffs or beyond. They are one of many who overvalued Bradford, but a big part of their problem was injuries and a defense that took a big step back from last season. From what I saw of a few early Vikes games, Bradford wasn't the limiting factor on that team.

Here's what I would say to a GM, who's worried about the Osweiler precedent: It might not be ideal, but at the very least, you bring Garoppolo into a situation where you get to see him play one year on his rookie contract, and then see how he adjusts throughout the season. Worst case scenario, if he doesn't pan out, you can let him walk without having a major cap hit. And if he does well, you can either use the franchise tag or sign him to a long-term extension.

It's the kind of situation where you might lose draft capital, but will avoid binding yourself to a risky, damaging cap situation vis-a-vis the Osweiler signing.

The big thing is, will JG and his agent make a big stink about having to play on his rookie contract? Without a long term deal they can simply chose to play out the rookie contract and then force the team to use the franchise tag and then get the better part of $20M for a season (see Kirk Cousins) or the team loses him to free agency. In that scenario you've given up a 1st and a 4th to get two years of a potentially disgruntled player.

In the current NFL teams lock up talented QBs a year before they hit free agency. JG and his agent will know this and will use it to their advantage.

Bottom line is I presume some GM will at least try to get JG from the Pats. I presume they'll dangle a 2nd rounder rather than a 1st, although you never know if someone desperate enough might dangle a 1st. I presume if they're willing to give up a 1st or 2nd they will want to have some discussion ahead of time with the agent about locking him in long term. If that discussion goes poorly it could derail the entire deal.

 

[Love The Drake]

Or we could tell his agent to back off and hold Jimmy to the contract til we at least see how Brady looks next season.
Then have leverage on negotiations if we want to keep him that also givea Brissett another year to see if he or Jimmy could be the present vs the possible future.
Unless Bill values Jacoby 90 peecent as much as Jimmy and can get a worthwile haul of picks and or players he will hold on to Jimmy.

 

[Ring 6]

So nobody here thinks that GMs may be wondering if a QB who couldn't last 2 full nfl games might be a risky career decision???
Such considerations affect the market price.

Not to mention we have seemed to decide that sitting for 3 years elevated a 2nd-3rd round prospect to better than anyone you could draft.

 

[yopats]

My man Adam.. doubles down! Adam Schefter on K&C fires back at Trent Dilfer: Patriots are getting minimum of a 1st-round pick for Jimmy Garoppolo