Adam Schefter: Patriots want minimum of 1st and 4th round picks for QB Jimmy Garoppolo

[VrabelMayeWin]

The debate is whether JG is worth high picks and a 20m per year contract. Based on 6 quarters of work.

If there's doubt the new team could choose not to extend him immediately, get a cheap year and limit the risk to "just" the picks. Most likely they would extend him quickly but they certainly don't have to.

 

[deroc5050]

We used a 2nd round pick on him? We should get at the very least a 1st round pick.. and I think we will.

 

[supafly]

If there's doubt the new team could choose not to extend him immediately, get a cheap year and limit the risk to "just" the picks. Most likely they would extend him quickly but they certainly don't have to.

That is pretty much the argument that he's making and it's certainly an option. That being said and as you note, most GMs who give up high draft picks (specifically, multiple high round picks) aren't going to do so for the possibility of a one year rental when he hits free agency in 15 months.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

That is pretty much the argument that he's making and it's certainly an option. That being said and as you note, most GMs who give up high draft picks (specifically, multiple high round picks) aren't going to do so for the possibility of a one year rental when he hits free agency in 15 months.

I highly doubt it would happen but with the QB franchise number around $20M they could get two years of JG (last year of current contract and one franchised year) for between $21M and $25M, around $12M per year. That would be near the bottom of veteran starting QBs. If a GM wanted to make the move but the owner didn't want to be locked into huge $$$ for an unproven QB this is definitely workable.

 

[patfanken]

That is pretty much the argument that he's making and it's certainly an option. That being said and as you note, most GMs who give up high draft picks (specifically, multiple high round picks) aren't going to do so for the possibility of a one year rental when he hits free agency in 15 months.

I am still of the belief that Jimmie's potential contract is not such a big issue. If I'm a GM I go to him and say,

"Jimmy, I'm thrilled to have you. We just invested a huge amount of draft capital to get you here. We think you can be our franchise QB, and quite frankly, my success at my job is going to be directly affected by how you do at yours. We both have a lot on the line.

That being said, as the season goes on, we both hope that it goes well enough that we can get an extention done before the season ends, based on that structure we talked about with your agent last week. But as you know this is a production based business. You are not a rookie. Come in, work hard, and produce, and you WILL be paid.....sooner rather than later".

I still believe having a year left on JG's contract when he is traded is a big value factor. Think about it. Even if they can't reach a deal, the combined cost of Jimmy's contract in 2017 and then franchise him in 2018 is STILL a big bargain, if he turns out to be as good as we think.

I still go nuts when I hear from the Felger's of the world that the Pats will be lucky to get low first for him...if that. Ridiculous. If you are a GM and you need a QB, then you are a GM who is going to be looking for a job if you don't find one FAST. The problem is that there ARE no first round QB's in this draft, and even if there were, YOU won't last long enough to watch him develop if there were, and you got extremely lucky and he was good. You need a QB ready to go. And the best prospect in THAT market is JG. 50% of all first round picks bust out, and even some of the ones that become players, never live up to a high first round expectations. What good is that draft pick doing you if you are out looking for work because you didn't have a QB.

THAT's why the Pats will get a pick that is going to surprise some.

 

[NashuaPats]

Getting a franchise QB is so important. If a team thinks that Garroppolo is better than the QBs coming out of college this season, then they shouldn't fret about possibly paying Garroppolo $20 million in 2018. I don't watch much college football so I'm not familiar with this year's QB crop, but everything I've read has been very negative. There isn't anyone that is wowing people. If I'm Cleveland, I pick Myles Garret with the first pick and offering up the tenth pick for Garroppolo. Maybe Cleveland isn't impressed with Jimmy, but I'd be shocked if some team needing a QB doesn't like him better than the guys expected to go in the first round.

 

[mgcolby]

The debate is whether JG is worth high picks and a 20m per year contract. Based on 6 quarters of work.

I don't think he is. He might be worth high picks if he can be locked up for a cheap contract, but that's it.

You think he will be. 6 quarters of work and he'll be paid more than Brady. And theyll pay picks to do so. And it's not even debateable!

I think you are mis-reading the QB market. 13-15 mil is being thrown around for Mike Glennon. Fritz just picked up $12 million. He will be in the 15-20 mil range. A team will be willing to do that, hoping they have the next Prescott or Carr or Even Daulton. All underrated coming into the league.

 

[1960Pats]

You cannot trade Brady if he is still having the best years of his career.

That's right. It would be like trading Bledsoe in his prime. Belichick would never do that.

All joking aside, whatever happens at QB will be a win/win for the Pats. If they get rid of JG they get rewarded at the height of his market value. If they keep him it means that he's the real deal and a replacement for TB.

There's only one other possibility that could come from the TB/JG decision, but I'm not mentioning that one again. Last time I did I almost got run out of cybertown.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Romo and Bradford are stop gap answers for franchises ready to move forward. I'm not going to say JG is the answer but I'd certainly take him over any QB in this draft.

JG going to Chicago, Jville or Cleveland definitely has some upside. He would have weapons to work with right away. Still young enough to mold into your offense without baggage.

I know some seem to disagree but a first and more will happen imo.

 

[jimnance]

Of all the qbs likely available, thru the draft, fa and probable trades, I'd probably put JG at #2, behind cousins.

And there's a good chance Skins sign cousins. If not, he's going to cost a pile of dough.

Romo is a better qb right now but obviously a serious injury risk, plus age.

Bradford? Bwahahahaha. Garbage.

Anyone who doesn't think Pats are going to be offered a minimum of a 1st rounder needs to get back on their meds. And it will be more than one team making that offer.

 

[Pats1989]

So if Jimmy gets traded, Brady has a bad injury next season, our QB is....Brisset? Have to think BB would have a back up plan before trading him.

 

[jimnance]

So if Jimmy gets traded, Brady has a bad injury next season, our QB is....Brisset? Have to think BB would have a back up plan before trading him.

That goes w/o saying

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

That's right. It would be like trading Bledsoe in his prime. Belichick would never do that.

All joking aside, whatever happens at QB will be a win/win for the Pats. If they get rid of JG they get rewarded at the height of his market value. If they keep him it means that he's the real deal and a replacement for TB.

There's only one other possibility that could come from the TB/JG decision, but I'm not mentioning that one again. Last time I did I almost got run out of cybertown.

I don't agree.
IF no team is willing to part with a decent 1st plus, they'll keep him and get a comp pick years later.
It does not necessarily imply they see him as the real deal, i.e. heir to the GOAT.

 

[mosslost]

That's right. It would be like trading Bledsoe in his prime. Belichick would never do that.

All joking aside, whatever happens at QB will be a win/win for the Pats. If they get rid of JG they get rewarded at the height of his market value. If they keep him it means that he's the real deal and a replacement for TB.

There's only one other possibility that could come from the TB/JG decision, but I'm not mentioning that one again. Last time I did I almost got run out of cybertown.

That Bledsoe trade is not even comparable to trading Brady.

 

[AHoodieWorshipperInParis]

So if Jimmy gets traded, Brady has a bad injury next season, our QB is....Brisset? Have to think BB would have a back up plan before trading him.

If you trade Grop, you basically trade away the luxury of having a backup QB able to step up and keep the team in SB contention should something bad happen to the GOAT. That's a luxury we had never experienced since this year (Garoppolo's pick in 2014 + two whole years of learning... And I don't think Matt Cassel would have made it to the SB in 2008). Until then, it has always felt like "No Brady No Hope".

You may not "need an insurance until you need an insurance", but on the flip side, if you have to pay an insurance a high price and then you figure out at the end of the contract that you didn't need it at all, you might be inclined to second guess on what you could have afforded with the price you paid (i.e. the difference between the highest compensation a team was willing to offer to get Jimmy in 2017 and a 2019 3rd round comp pick, which might result in multiple additional future franchise players/contributors)

 

[1960Pats]

That Bledsoe trade is not even comparable to trading Brady.

It was just a joke.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And there's a good chance Skins sign cousins. If not, he's going to cost a pile of dough.

Scuttlebutt says he'll be franchised.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

If you trade Grop, you basically trade away the luxury of having a backup QB able to step up and keep the team in SB contention should something bad happen to the GOAT. That's a luxury we had never experienced since this year (Garoppolo's pick in 2014 + two whole years of learning... And I don't think Matt Cassel would have made it to the SB in 2008). Until then, it has always felt like "No Brady No Hope".

What would have kept the Pats out of the SB in 2008 was not Cassel's play—by season's end he was playing as well as any QB in the NFL—but mounting injuries.

 

[Pats1989]

I think Brisset is at best a back up. I trust it'll work out..

 

[heavyde050]

If you trade Grop, you basically trade away the luxury of having a backup QB able to step up and keep the team in SB contention should something bad happen to the GOAT. That's a luxury we had never experienced since this year (Garoppolo's pick in 2014 + two whole years of learning... And I don't think Matt Cassel would have made it to the SB in 2008). Until then, it has always felt like "No Brady No Hope".

You may not "need an insurance until you need an insurance", but on the flip side, if you have to pay an insurance a high price and then you figure out at the end of the contract that you didn't need it at all, you might be inclined to second guess on what you could have afforded with the price you paid (i.e. the difference between the highest compensation a team was willing to offer to get Jimmy in 2017 and a 2019 3rd round comp pick, which might result in multiple additional future franchise players/contributors)

I don't know if I have seen enough of Jimmy G yet to say he keeps the Pats in SB contention (if contention is being used as actually winning the big game and not just making the playoffs).
For me, besides BB, Brady is the most important piece to the Pats constantly being contenders. Opposing defenses have to scheme differently for a Brady led team.
I could be wrong, but I am fairly confidant that the Pats are not in the driver's seat for the 1 seed if JG played all year and not Brady.