Official Unofficial Post Game Thread

[ctpatsfan77]

The problem with an opinion as such as it only points to the positives and doesn't address the negative aspects of their performance.

The "ignore the negatives" view isn't logically better than the "ignore the positives" view, but it is better for your blood pressure.

At least BB is willing to admit—to the team, if not us—when he f—ed up. Hopefully this leads to a different D play style moving forward, because the QBs on deck seem primed for seven more weeks of anemic pass rush.

 

[Deus Irae]

Where are the Chris Long supporters who argued with me that he's played better than chandler jones this year?

I'm not sure what your point is. When healthy, Long's been better against the run, and he's been more consistent overall.

 

[FourierSeries]

Just gotta love the pessimism on this board, you'd think this was 41-14 all over again.

We're doomed. Derek Carr and the Raiders, who possess the worst ranked defense, are going to beat Brady in a shootout in the postseason. This has already been confirmed by multiple sources on PatsFans forum.

 

[bormio]

Our rush defense was poor tonight - Seattle had good balance. People say Brown and Branch are playing well - makes me think LB is the issue. HT is not a run-stuffer this year.

 

[FCB02062]

Know what, don't know if it's been said.... I bet Belichick goes for 2 if Gronkowski catches that ball... It was pretty clear his d couldn't stop schitt...

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I'm not sure what your point is. When healthy, Long's been better against the run, and he's been more consistent overall.

I was at the game tonight. I watched him unable to generate any pass rush. No pressure he literally has no pass rush moves. I'm pretty sure Long got benched tonight by the coaching staff I didn't see him for a while. Zero impact plays. Long is definitey not more consistent


Chandler is an elite elite pass rusher far more effective than Chris Long

 

[Deus Irae]

I was at the game tonight. I watched him unable to generate any pass rush. No pressure he literally has no pass rush moves. I'm pretty sure Long got benched tonight by the coaching staff I didn't see him for a while. Zero impact plays


Chandler is an elite elite pass rusher far more effective than Chris Long

Not surprisingly, you ignored everything I posted even though you quoted it. Given that Long flushed Wilson on at least on occasion, you're also wrong in your claim about getting no pressure.

 

[bbobbo]

this game was incredibly close, not just coming down to the last play, but stat-wise. almost every stat line was comparable. big difference was the two turnovers:

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Not surprisingly, you ignored everything I posted even though you quoted it. Given that Long flushed Wilson on at least on occasion, you're also wrong in your claim about getting no pressure.

You said he's better against the run. Even if so, Chandler is far better against the pass, much much more effective at generating pressure and opening up plays for other D lineman to make.

I watched Chris long all night tonight live. He has a motor, but is physically past his prime. Lacks speed, fluid hips, and has zero pass rushing moves, and doesn't make any game changing plays. Honestly he should retire. He can be easily replaced

Chandler Jones is playing like a top 5 defensive end in the NFL there is no comparison


Do you think Long is better than jones?

 

[Deus Irae]

You said he's better against the run. Even if so, Chandler is far better against the pass, much much more effective at generating pressure and opening up plays for other D lineman to make.

There's more to being a defensive end than just rushing the passer.

I watched Chris long all night tonight live.

Obviously not

 

[ViperGTS]

I thought what was really bad was that last Seattle TD. Ryan basically gave him a high five as he watched Baldwin run right by. One of the least competitive plays I've ever seen.

Makes a play there and maybe it's different. On the flip side, his price tag is coming down.

Watch Bryce Petty drop 450 on the D.

 

[supafly]

Know what, don't know if it's been said.... I bet Belichick goes for 2 if Gronkowski catches that ball... It was pretty clear his d couldn't stop schitt...

I don't think Belichick would have gone for two in an all or nothing situation--no. Absolutely not. The defense sucked tonight but they should've scored and gone to OT.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

There's more to being a defensive end than just rushing the passer.



Obviously not

Whose better Chris Long or chandler jones?

 

[Deus Irae]

Whose better Chris Long or chandler jones?

Depends on what I'm looking for.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Depends on what I'm looking for.

How about overall as a player?

 

[supafly]

Im as pissed at the refs, as i am for the call to throw. Blount gets that all day. Are we forgetting his 3 tds?

Yeah, I absolutely hated the call, at least for that situation. I'd have had no issue with it whatsoever had it occurred a down or two prior.

 

[Deus Irae]

How about overall as a player?

To repeat: It depends on what I'm looking for. If I'm a team that needs stouter run defense from my DE, I'm looking towards Long. If I'm a team that is just looking for pass rushing pressure, I'm looking towards Jones.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

No, that pick ended up becoming Mitchell and Thuney. They drafted Jones with their own pick. And Wilson, unlike the others, at least made it to the end of his rookie contract.

More importantly, Jordan Richards hasn't been cut. (I won't argue that the pick was a head scratcher.) In fact, their top seven picks are still on the team.

In all seriousness, is Richards still on the team??
No matter if you say they traded Jones for Cyrus Jones or Thuney and Mitchell, it's still a bad deal.

When you are cutting first and second round picks, someone should be asking the GM some questions...

 

[NG Pats Fan]

To repeat: It depends on what I'm looking for. If I'm a team that needs stouter run defense from my DE, I'm looking towards Long. If I'm a team that is just looking for pass rushing pressure, I'm looking towards Jones.

Well to my untrained eye, sure looks like we could use a DE for pass rushing pressure. Especially on third down . Trey Flowers was the one bright spot in a abysmal D tonight

 

[ViperGTS]

Yeah, I absolutely hated the call, at least for that situation. I'd have had no issue with it whatsoever had it occurred a down or two prior.

It's the same deal as Sea in the SB. Thankful.y it wasn't the SB but damn am I worried.