Shea McClellin after four weeks

[long distance]

lol, funny you say that. I didn't intend for this to be it's own thread. Looks like the mods just decided to create another

Really though, I just wish we found someone to share snaps with Blount. If it came down to signing Mcclellin or Forte, I would've signed Forte in a heart beat (in fact, I said this very thing back in March).

No disrespect to Bill, that's just my opinion

BB was obviously content going with Blount, White, Bolden, Foster into the season. He added Sankey to PS. The fact that he was not activated says he is ok even without Bolden for a while. Or he simply didn't want to make more cuts at this point to get a backup RB.

The game confirmed what could be expected: With TB back Pats actually have someone who shares snaps with Blount pretty equally - namely White. White actually got more (38-31), part of it in garbage time. Bolden might not be out long:



After next game Lewis is possibly coming back. In fact by one account related to another team, Lewis could be back practicing with the team already THIS Friday ..

 

[patfanken]

Besides Light (I wasn't here in 2001), where were "we" wrong about that group?

Actually there were many here that were looking for Matt Light's replacement several years before his retirement. Once an "expert" talked about Light's problems with the dreaded "speed rusher" and it quickly became clarion call phrase in many threads here looking for Matt Light's replacement.

Ironically, his final year here, might have been his best in handling those speed rushers. That might have been possible due to the fact he was lighter because of his illness, or the presence of Solder as the blocking TE on occasion. I don't know, but I'm going off track here.

I'm no sure what everyone's expectations of McClellin were. Given that our base defense has been a nickel for the last few years, and we've used essentially just 2 LB's on a regular basis, most of the time. AND Collins and Hightower are going to get the vast majority of those snaps. Did anyone think of McClellin as being anything more than LB/DE depth?

As for whether anyone was wrong about Edelman, Chung, and DA, yeah you were. Both Edelman and DA were being damned for being injured, which has nothing to do with the player's skills and potential, ALL of which have since proven those people wrong. And BB himself has taken the blame for Chung's first time with the Pats, and since he has been used better the 2nd time around, Chung has become one of the better 2 way safeties in the league.

There are a lot of reason a player make not succeed in this league. In an era where it seems we need immediate gratification, we seem less interested in a real progression of a player over time in this good system. For example, people would have thrown away Kevin Faulk because he was a fumbler, never considering that he MIGHT get better at that aspect of his game. I can recall Flemming getting run past way too often his rookie year and basically dismissed him as a potential OT. No one was running by him yesterday. Clearly he's gotten better. I did the same thing to James White, when it seemed that he got knocked down by first contact. Clearly this season, he's gotten better.

So I guess what I'm pointing out, is that I have no problem with people who criticize bad play of a player (when it's deserved, which is sometimes tough to determine). That is our job as fans. HOWEVER, where I have a problem is when a player gets beaten or makes a bad play or game or even year, that mistake is considered to be terminal and something they can never recover from.

THAT is the beauty of football. In THIS game, more than any other, coaching has the greatest impact on the play of their players. So even at the NFL level, players DO get better, IF they are getting good coaching.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

BB was obviously content going with Blount, White, Bolden, Foster into the season. He added Sankey to PS. The fact that he was not activated says he is ok even without Bolden for a while. Or he simply didn't want to make more cuts at this point to get a backup RB.

The game confirmed what could be expected: With TB back Pats actually have someone who shares snaps with Blount pretty equally - namely White. White actually got more (38-31), part of it in garbage time. Bolden might not be out long:



After next game Lewis is possibly coming back. In fact by one account related to another team, Lewis could be back practicing with the team already THIS Friday ..

Do you remember when Blount went down last season? We had to go out and sign a less-than-stellar Steven Jackson.

Lewis or no Lewis, it seems like the team is taking a considerable risk in hoping Blount lasts a whole season through January.

 

[Deus Irae]

As for whether anyone was wrong about Edelman, Chung, and DA, yeah you were.

No, "we" weren't. Your inability to acknowledge even such obvious examples of "we" being correct makes your posting worthless.

 

[patfanken]

No, "we" weren't. Your inability to acknowledge even such obvious examples of "we" being correct makes your posting worthless.

Worthless to you, maybe, and that might be the best compliment you can give me, since we are all so obviously beneath your vast "wisdom"

 

[Deus Irae]

Worthless to you, maybe, and that might be the best compliment you can give me, since we are all so obviously beneath your vast "wisdom"

How do you not grasp the irony of your posts when you write crap like that? You're the guy who writes an "observations" thread after every game, and you rarely pass up an opportunity to attack someone in those threads.

Oh, and the knock on both Edelman and Amendola WAS their injury history, as opposed to their play when healthy, so saying something like "Both Edelman and DA were being damned for being injured," is an acknowledgement that people were right. That you're too blinded by idiotic hyper-homerism to even agree with something that obviously accurate is an indictment of you, not of the "we".

 

[DaBruinz]

He hasn't really made an impact yet. He needs to show something soon or he won't last.

Can't show anything until he's healthy from the concussion..

 

[Deus Irae]

assholes wanna flag me for having the gaul to state my own opinion. Whatever...go eat a **** for all I care

Don't bother getting worked up about it. The insane homer posse has been that way for a long time.

 

[DaBruinz]

How do you not grasp the irony of your posts when you write crap like that? You're the guy who writes an "observations" thread after every game, and you rarely pass up an opportunity to attack someone in those threads.

Oh, and the knock on both Edelman and Amendola WAS their injury history, as opposed to their play when healthy, so saying something like "Both Edelman and DA were being damned for being injured," is an acknowledgement that people were right. That you're too blinded by idiotic hyper-homerism to even agree with something that obviously accurate is an indictment of you, not of the "we".

Deus - you've had stick up your butt over PFK for years and it's primarily because he knows 10 times what you do about football and probably forgotten more than you'd ever know.

You've gone out of your way to put people on ignore who have shown you to be an ignorant pompous ass. You attacking PFK is just laughable..

 

[DaBruinz]

@Chiuba E. Obele - You're going to throw a temper tantrum over the fact that people disagree with your assessment? You're sounding like the crybabies in the Game-Day thread.

McClellin actually had some good plays the last game before he got concussed. Are you really going to ***** and moan about him suffering a concussion? Which is why he wasn't activated yesterday?

 

[DaBruinz]

Don't bother getting worked up about it. The insane homer posse has been that way for a long time.

it has nothing to do with being a homer, but you wouldn't know that because you're too blinded by your own arrogance.

 

[fightingirish595]

Do you remember when Blount went down last season? We had to go out and sign a less-than-stellar Steven Jackson.

Lewis or no Lewis, it seems like the team is taking a considerable risk in hoping Blount lasts a whole season through January.

Ill give blount the benefit of the doubt on that one. 1st time in his career he miss extended time with injury

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

@Chiuba E. Obele - You're going to throw a temper tantrum over the fact that people disagree with your assessment? You're sounding like the crybabies in the Game-Day thread.

McClellin actually had some good plays the last game before he got concussed. Are you really going to ***** and moan about him suffering a concussion? Which is why he wasn't activated yesterday?

It's really no big deal. I just don't see the point of flagging someone with a negative rating over a difference of opinion.

Injury or no injury, Mccellin hasn't contributed a whole lot to this defense. And with the kinda money he's making, it isn't unreasonable to expect more from him.

 

[DaBruinz]

It's really no big deal. I just don't see the point of flagging someone with a negative rating over a difference of opinion.

Injury or no injury, Mccellin hasn't contributed a whole lot to this defense. And with the kinda money he's making, it isn't unreasonable to expect more from him.

Chiuba - it's not a negative rating.. Ian shut that off..

What kind of money is McClellin making? $1M.. really? You're complaining about $1M salary? or a 1.9M cap hit? Come on.. If you want to complain about a cap him, complain about Vollmer's hit, which is over $5M..

 

[ausbacker]

Forté's last 3 games:

Week 3 at KC - 15 carries for 65 yards at 4.3 ypc (long of 15)
Week 4 vs SE - 14 carries for 27 yards at 1.9 ypc (long of 5)
Week 5 at PT - 12 carries for 53 yards at 4.4 ypc (long of 28)

Forté's been next to useless in the passing game, is generally inflating his ypc with a long run, and outside of the one massive game against Buffalo, hasn't done anything spectacular. Sure, we can argue scheme and use but he choose to go to the Jets so no, I don't feel bad about the Patriots signing McClellin because LB depth was a need.

Now, in terms of cap hits, Forté's cap hit this season is 3 million. The collective RB cap hit (rounded up) for the Patriots includes Bolden (1.3 million), Blount (1.03 million), White (700K), Lewis (1.1 million), Sankey (117K), Foster (450K). For a bit more than what the Patriots could have signed Forté, they've got a crew of Running Backs who offer a diverse mix of capabilities and contribute to Special Teams.

Making this a McClellin vs. Forté discussion isn't a smart decision because there are a host of dependant decisions attached to an individual move. I won't deny I would have loved to have seen what Forté could do in New England but not at the expense of killing depth elsewhere.

 

[mikey m]

Can't say I'm disappointed in McClellin as I never expected anything out of him. Always thought he was dogshit.
He could still turn it around though..I guess..Probably not.

 

[Sciz]

Do you remember when Blount went down last season? We had to go out and sign a less-than-stellar Steven Jackson.

Lewis or no Lewis, it seems like the team is taking a considerable risk in hoping Blount lasts a whole season through January.

Nothing you just said here is wrong, but it's a big jump to then argue that the Pats should have managed that risk by guaranteeing $9 million for the age 30 and 31 seasons of an already declining RB. It's an especially weird time to be making that argument, considering that Forte is now losing most of the receiving snaps to Powell and has looked pretty awful carrying the ball for a few weeks, all while his contract is still fully guaranteed for 27 more games. If we're jumping in a time machine to go grab a running back, then Jordan Howard seems like a heck of a lot more efficient option to me, and there are probably many, many more that I'd prefer before giving Forte that contract.

 

[luuked]

It's really no big deal. I just don't see the point of flagging someone with a negative rating over a difference of opinion.

Injury or no injury, Mccellin hasn't contributed a whole lot to this defense. And with the kinda money he's making, it isn't unreasonable to expect more from him.

It's unreasonable and pointless to think you cab evaluate players based on not even 5 games.

Come the end of the season we will have a nice sample of his contributions and then you can make your point. But extrapolating based on a couple games while a player also has to deal with injuries makes no sense to me.

 

[PScottman]

What kind of money is McClellin making? $1M.. really? You're complaining about $1M salary? or a 1.9M cap hit? Come on.. If you want to complain about a cap him, complain about Vollmer's hit, which is over $5M..

Typical BB approach is sign multiple low cap hit guys AND draft 1-2 players (draft board or post-draft undrafteds) and let the competition sort it out.

We fans seem surprised by this approach every year and expect immediate production from ALL of them. He usually leads (or is near the top of) the league in signings and releases year after year - right? Some will be HRs, some doubles, a bunch of singles...and yup some strikeouts.

Moaning that all aren't HRs when even singles drive in runs (wins) in the team game...kinda short sighted. If Mclellin stays hurt, just like Cooper, and a better option comes along or develops in-house, hasn't history also shown BB will quite easily and without fanfare - move on?

 

[Deus Irae]

It's unreasonable and pointless to think you cab evaluate players based on not even 5 games.

Come the end of the season we will have a nice sample of his contributions and then you can make your point. But extrapolating based on a couple games while a player also has to deal with injuries makes no sense to me.

Players are evaluated in fewer than 5 games all the time. It is neither an inherently unreasonable nor an inherently pointless thing to do.