Do you think the NFL is out to get Cam Newton too?

[chasa]

Sure, but what we saw last night were three blatant HITS TO THE HEAD that should have been called.

probably I didn't really watch the game with my full attention, Still climbing on my smurf account.

 

[varjao]

If anything in this game screamed "shady" instead of "inept", it was Marshall coming back into the game. You cannot tell me that he didn't have a concussion. No ****ing way. His body went totally limp after the helmet to helmet contact and fell to the ground that way.

Cam too, concussions all over the place right off the bat, great job NFL.

 

[Bill Lee]

It's just so annoying that the NFL can't get the basics right. There are explicit rules saying that a QB's head can't be touched and there is even a special 'white hat' ref there to look for such hits, and they get missed. NFL, do your job! Figure out how and why this was missed, and get it fixed!

 

[IllegalContact]

Kinda funny coming from a broken record. If it wasn't such a perfect fit, I would consider it. Hopefully you'll figure it out before it gets to that point.

projecting again

 

[Kontradiction]

Didn't watch, not going to.

I honestly don't care if you're naive enough to believe the NFL FO isn't trying to influence the outcome of games. It will be interesting to see if you man up when the cat is finally out of the bag.

It's too bad. You're pretty bright and creative, but your contempt for opposing views and an unwillingness to even attempt to see something from those perspectives completely undermines you ability to have genuine discourse. If you can ever overcome this deficiency and stop using bullying tactics, you would likely develop a formidable intellect. It is a shame to see such potential wasted by closed-mindedness.

Thanks for the pointless ad hom. The ironic thing is that I'm actually attempting to have a genuine discourse with the people that make the same claims. Sure, if/when the cat comes out of the bag, I'll man up. But you won't know it. Why? Because there won't be any point in posting here anymore as I won't be following the sport. No point in it then. I just need to see some concrete evidence that the league is doing what it can to fix the product ON THE FIELD. I don't see that. I see the same inept officials that seem to enjoy face time as I saw before Deflategate happened. I don't see any way possible some massive conspiracy (and that's what it would take to pull such a thing off, mind you) could get by without getting leaked in 2016 where up to the second information is available as a push notification.

It's funny... for a league that is so hell bent on supposedly tilting the tables against the Pats on the field, they were a missed extra point and a few head bobs away from being in the Super Bowl again last year. In their rage against the Patriots after Deflategate broke, they did a ****ty job preventing the Patriots from winning the Super Bowl. As a matter of fact, they're doing a ****ty job with it altogether as the Pats have been to three Super Bowls, winning one, and seven AFC Championship games since the Goodell regime started. So please present to me evidence that clearly shows the game is fixed against our favorite team because all I've seen so far is the same ineptitude on the part of the zebras that I've seen in every major professional and college sport. It's not about being "naïve" as you put it in your little rant here. It's about having something concrete to go on instead of sounding like the same nutjobs that have accused the league of being in the bag FOR the Pats over the years.

So give me something concrete and you'll find that I'm pretty quick to admit wrong and switch sides. I've done it here for a decade now.

 

[Kontradiction]

Cam too, concussions all over the place right off the bat, great job NFL.

And this is a league that is supposedly "concerned" about concussions.

 

[IllegalContact]

Thanks for the pointless ad hom. The ironic thing is that I'm actually attempting to have a genuine discourse with the people that make the same claims. Sure, if/when the cat comes out of the bag, I'll man up. But you won't know it. Why? Because there won't be any point in posting here anymore as I won't be following the sport. No point in it then. I just need to see some concrete evidence that the league is doing what it can to fix the product ON THE FIELD. I don't see that. I see the same inept officials that seem to enjoy face time as I saw before Deflategate happened. I don't see any way possible some massive conspiracy (and that's what it would take to pull such a thing off, mind you) could get by without getting leaked in 2016 where up to the second information is available as a push notification.

It's funny... for a league that is so hell bent on supposedly tilting the tables against the Pats on the field, they were a missed extra point and a few head bobs away from being in the Super Bowl again last year. In their rage against the Patriots after Deflategate broke, they did a ****ty job preventing the Patriots from winning the Super Bowl. As a matter of fact, they're doing a ****ty job with it altogether as the Pats have been to three Super Bowls, winning one, and seven AFC Championship games since the Goodell regime started. So please present to me evidence that clearly shows the game is fixed against our favorite team because all I've seen so far is the same ineptitude on the part of the zebras that I've seen in every major professional and college sport. It's not about being "naïve" as you put it in your little rant here. It's about having something concrete to go on instead of sounding like the same nutjobs that have accused the league of being in the bag FOR the Pats over the years.

So give me something concrete and you'll find that I'm pretty quick to admit wrong and switch sides. I've done it here for a decade now.

psycho conspiracy theorists.... all busily 'not watching'

 

[Galeb]

projecting again

I know I've said it before, but you are such truly a tremendous source of irony that it bears repeating.

 

[IllegalContact]

I know I've said it before, but you are such truly a tremendous source of irony that it bears repeating.

you repeat many things..........limited mental capacity will do that

say irony a few more times or post a pic of a bearded criminal again.......it means so much

 

[deters]

The league hates it's best players.

I don't know why...

parity agenda bro

 

[Galeb]

Thanks for the pointless ad hom. The ironic thing is that I'm actually attempting to have a genuine discourse with the people that make the same claims. Sure, if/when the cat comes out of the bag, I'll man up. But you won't know it. Why? Because there won't be any point in posting here anymore as I won't be following the sport. No point in it then. I just need to see some concrete evidence that the league is doing what it can to fix the product ON THE FIELD. I don't see that. I see the same inept officials that seem to enjoy face time as I saw before Deflategate happened. I don't see any way possible some massive conspiracy (and that's what it would take to pull such a thing off, mind you) could get by without getting leaked in 2016 where up to the second information is available as a push notification.

It's funny... for a league that is so hell bent on supposedly tilting the tables against the Pats on the field, they were a missed extra point and a few head bobs away from being in the Super Bowl again last year. In their rage against the Patriots after Deflategate broke, they did a ****ty job preventing the Patriots from winning the Super Bowl. As a matter of fact, they're doing a ****ty job with it altogether as the Pats have been to three Super Bowls, winning one, and seven AFC Championship games since the Goodell regime started. So please present to me evidence that clearly shows the game is fixed against our favorite team because all I've seen so far is the same ineptitude on the part of the zebras that I've seen in every major professional and college sport. It's not about being "naïve" as you put it in your little rant here. It's about having something concrete to go on instead of sounding like the same nutjobs that have accused the league of being in the bag FOR the Pats over the years.

So give me something concrete and you'll find that I'm pretty quick to admit wrong and switch sides. I've done it here for a decade now.

A genuine discourse doesn't includ repeatedly telling the same person both what the thought and what they did regardless of what they say. Neither is holding the other perspective in contempt without ever giving it significant consideration.

I still come here because I love the actual game, have a fondness for the Pats, am fascinated by BB's approach, system and constant development and have the utmost respect and affection for Tom Brady, both as a person, and as the greatest QB of all time. I'm not watching the sport I love because of the corruption that's making it onto the field. It's much more subtle and smaller than this massive scheme that you make it out to be, and often isn't successful. That said, it's very presence has stopped me from watching the game I love.

I also still come here because many of the discussions I read and participate in here have are tremendous sources of insight for me. Not only have there been many instances where someone provided great information or showed me I was very wrong on an important topic, I have also gained tremendous insight from serious perspective taking on opposing viewpoints.

Sure, I frequently still disagree with said viewpoint, but have often gleaned valuable insight, awareness of nuance and even an greater understanding of human nature, including my own, from the attempt. This board has also aided me in identifying a number of personal flaws and has led to what I consider significant, positive transformation. Obviously I have a long way to go in overcoming many of these flaws, but I'm aware of them now and actively making progress in overcoming them. I truly try to return the favor to the board, which is why I sometimes come off like Dr. Phil.

I completely understand and respect the viewpoint that you want concrete evidence before coming to the realization that the ultra corrupt NFL FO is trying to influence the outcome of games and seasons. That said, how many coincidences, direct action (massive unjustified punishes to some teams and near nothing for others) and blurring of the rules to create gray areas will it take before you start to really suspect?

Your viewpoint is valid. It your contempt for the opposing view that's toxic, narrows your perspective and is undermining your ability to have genuine discourse.

 

[Galeb]

you repeat many things..........limited mental capacity will do that

say irony a few more times or post a pic of a bearded criminal again.......it means so much

I repeat things sometimes. Who was it that has said dingleberry many times in this thread, including consecutive replies of "No, dingleberry" in this very thread? If repeating things is a sign of limited mental capacity, then it is a trait that we both share. Instead of using the "i" word, I will call this hilarious instead.

 

[IllegalContact]

A genuine discourse doesn't including repeatedly telling the same person both what the thought and what they did regardless of what they say. Neither is holding the other perspective in contempt without ever giving it significant consideration.

I still come here because I love the actual game, have a fondness for the Pats, am fascinated by BB's approach, system and constant development and have the utmost respect and affection for Tom Brady, both as a person, and as the greatest QB of all time. I'm not watching the sport I love because of the corruption that's making it onto the field. It's much more subtle and smaller than this massive scheme that you make it out to be, and often isn't successful. That said, it's very presence has stopped me from watching the game I love.

I also still come here because many of the discussions I read and participate in here have are tremendous sources of insight for me. Not only have there been many instances where someone provided great information or showed me I was very wrong on an important topic, I have also gained tremendous insight from serious perspective taking on opposing viewpoints.

Sure, I frequently still disagree with said viewpoint, but have often gleaned valuable insight, awareness of nuance and even an greater understanding of human nature, including my own, from the attempt. This board has also aided me in identifying a number of personal flaws and has led to what I consider significant, positive transformation. Obviously I have a long way to go in overcoming many of these flaws, but I'm aware of them now and actively making progress in overcoming them. I truly try to return the favor to the board, which is why I sometimes come off like Dr. Phil.

I completely understand and respect the viewpoint that you want concrete evidence before coming to the realization that the ultra corrupt NFL FO is trying to influence the outcome of games and seasons. That said, how many coincidences, direct action (massive unjustified punishes to some teams and near nothing for others) and blurring of the rules to create gray areas will it take before you start to really suspect?

Your viewpoint is valid. It your contempt for the opposing view that's toxic, narrows your perspective and is undermining your ability to have genuine discourse.

LOL.....self-contradictions abound

the sign of someone who is full of crap

 

[IllegalContact]

I repeat things sometimes. Who was it that has said dingleberry many times in this thread, including consecutive replies of "No, dingleberry" in this very thread? If repeating things is a sign of limited mental capacity, then it is a trait that we both share. Instead of using the "i" word, I will call this hilarious instead.

oh ya.....I know you are but what am I.........all your talk is circular nonsense......
here you go

 

[primetime]

I think big quarterbacks don't get the same kind of calls that smaller ones do. Officials miss a lot of roughing calls on Roethlisberger too. I don't think it's a conspiracy, just a cognitive bias, similar to how an official is significantly (per Michael Lopez) more likely to call a pass interference or holding penalty if he's standing on a given team's sideline and the play happened near him and players and coaches are yelling at him about it.

https://statsbylopez.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/persuaded-pressure-evidence-10.pdf

With sizable interests in referee decisions, coaches and players often try to manipulate referee behavior with verbal and nonverbal communications. We exploit a natural experiment within each National Football League game, finding that referees succumb to the pressures of satisfying the personnel in the vicinity of possible violations. Using generalized additive models for binomial outcomes, we find that the penalty rates for certain types of common but influential penalties, including holding and pass interference, vary from one sideline to the next by as much as 50%, depending on play location.

 

[Galeb]

LOL.....self-contradictions abound

the sign of someone who is full of crap

I appreciate you specific and constructive criticism delivered in such an eloquent manner. If it makes you feel any better, I was trying pretty hard with that post.

 

[IllegalContact]

I appreciate you specific and constructive criticism delivered in such an eloquent manner. If it makes you feel any better, I was trying pretty hard with that post.

Eloquent nonsense is still nonsense, regardless of how 'hard'

 

[luuked]

I can't stand listening to Goober in the booth and his "he should have thrown it farther " breakdown of Semen's interception is not what I would call a new and brilliant insight of the game.

I'd rather listen to Fauria rap.

It was not the "he should it thrown farther" that was insightful but his short explanation how the Broncos are keeping the Panthers in base defense to help Siemian seeing things. You can hate Manning for all he is but he gave more context to what was happening on the field in a few minutes than the entire CBS crew does in a full game.

I am not sure I could stomach hearing him half a year every Sunday but I love hearing that kind of insight no matter who it comes from.

 

[Galeb]

Eloquent nonsense is still nonsense, regardless of how 'hard'

I appreciate you thinking I was eloquent, but I usually fall well short of that mark.

My perspective may be wrong, but it is at least based on logic, and arrived through much introspection, thoughtfulness and extensive perspective taking. Regardless, I was sincere in what I wrote and genuinely hope that if there truly are any self-contradictions in there, that this experience will serve catalyst in my discovery of them.

 

[Patstopia]

I'll agree on one hit, the last one, to be blatant. But if your going to run, and your putting yourself out to block, then you play by the rules everyone else has to play with. You don't get super slow motion of linemen knocking the living crap out of each other and RB's every play.
You can't cry poor me, and then run around like a RB. Once you leave the pocket and start running your gonna get hit, pure and simple. Don't like it, stay in the pocket where QB's are protected.