Already out for this weeks game against the JETS...

[FourierSeries]

Yet they are #2 against the pass (186.6 ypg), #2 against the run (82.6 ypg) and #1 in scoring defense (15ppg)..

Not sure how you can say they haven't been nearly as dominant. Granted they have played only Cleveland, Indy, Philly, Washington and Miami with their lone loss coming against Philly.. But, none of those teams were as injured on their O-line as the Pats are.

I'm not saying gloom and doom, but I'm not pretending that everything is hunky dory and the Pats have no issues their like some people are.

I was referring specifically to rushing the passer. They have a very good secondary which explains their good pass defense numbers. And while they have gotten pressure on QBs, their pass rush hasn't been dominant or anything that we haven't seen in the last year.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Agreed, from day one the Pats have been working on and perfecting a style of offense that is designed to get the ball out quickly and protect a young and inexperienced o line. The one injury that I'm concerned about is Lewis - if he's healthy he has Jet Killer written all over him.

....and the short drops 1.9 seconds release is to protect a 38 year old QB from blows like Hardy gave him two weeks ago.

 

[JMC00]

While the Jets Dline has been very good, their strength has been against the run. They've gotten pressure on the QB, but they haven't been anywhere near as dominant rushing the passer as some here seem to think.

Ya I mean I'm not saying they aren't good. But for as much as they get their tires pumped as this scary defensive line in terms of pass rush they haven't really lived up to that "very scary" billing I see posted on here.

Heard yesterday that the jets are blitzing about 35% of the time. Clearly their defensive philosophy includes the blitz but if you have as dominant of a pass rush as people say you do and given the QBs you have played (McCown, Luck, Tannenhill, Bradford and Cousins) surely you'd have more than 8 sacks and would not need to blitz 35% of the time.

Also let's not forget this DL kind of got pushed around by the Eagles OL when Ryan Matthews ran with the ball, he had a 4.5 ypc against them on 24 rushes.

 

[RayClay]

I'm surprised the Pats haven't signed somebody to backup tackle [Clausell 38 starts at LT SEC??] but I assume they have targeted one of the guards for emergency and they have Williams TE.

Overall, though, it's another week in the NFL, not an unusual amount of injuries.

 

[Joey007]

Definitely hope Hightower can suit up with Sheard being out.

 

[supafly]

They have Michael Williams, which is better than nothing.

I'd tend to agree that it would likely be emergency use only, but who knows?

We also have Kline as an emergency possibility, as he played all 5 positions in college.

Maybe Barker gets called up from the PS?

Any way you look at it, the situation will be a bit concerning at a position that already lacked depth prior to Cannon's injury.

 

[VrabelJr]

Nobody wants to give Kline props but he's played more snaps than Mason and Jackson and has only given up two pressures. Kline can also play OT in a jam.

 

[JMC00]

Nobody wants to give Kline props but he's played more snaps than Mason and Jackson and has only given up two pressures. Kline can also play OT in a jam.

Of course they don't. Doesn't fit the narrative that the Pats OL is doomed Sunday

 

[sevengables_2207]

Ya I mean I'm not saying they aren't good. But for as much as they get their tires pumped as this scary defensive line in terms of pass rush they haven't really lived up to that "very scary" billing I see posted on here.

Heard yesterday that the jets are blitzing about 35% of the time. Clearly their defensive philosophy includes the blitz but if you have as dominant of a pass rush as people say you do and given the QBs you have played (McCown, Luck, Tannenhill, Bradford and Cousins) surely you'd have more than 8 sacks and would not need to blitz 35% of the time.

Also let's not forget this DL kind of got pushed around by the Eagles OL when Ryan Matthews ran with the ball, he had a 4.5 ypc against them on 24 rushes.

And FWIW, the Eagles OL has been pretty bad this season so far, although having Sam Bradford behind center certainly does not help...

 

[mgteich]

Nobody wants to give Kline props but he's played more snaps than Mason and Jackson and has only given up two pressures. Kline can also play OT in a jam.

Kline has been very solid at OG. How many games did he play at OT in the preseason, or last year?

 

[mgteich]

Of course they don't. Doesn't fit the narrative that the Pats OL is doomed Sunday

The OL is NOT doomed. It just is significantly weakened without Solder, Mason, Stork and Cannon. We used to have 3 starting quality OT's in a rotation. We now have one such OT, plus a Practice Squad player or two.

 

[Fencer]

Lewis, Cannon and Mason make 3 starters who are likely out on offense. (I'm being a bit pessimistic on Lewis; of course I hope I'm wrong. But his injury seems to be of the sort that has to be pretty completely healed before he can be effective.)

Lewis is both the "top" player of the 3 and the one who could be a Jets killer. With Lewis and Mason out, it's tough to expect a lot of production from the RB position against the Jets defense.

The news is better on the receivers. Edelman's finger shouldn't keep him from putting pressure on the Jets (i.e. Revis or double coverage). Gronk and Amendola are threats. Etc.

As for defense -- the DTs will need to do their jobs.

 

[Geezer Butler]

Ya, it is functional. And this is also a very, very good jets front. All I am saying is that, it is going to be a grind it out ugly type of game from the O.

Going to need the D to really step up Sunday.

To me the best offense they have faced is the Eagles. The Eagles.

I do agree this will be a grinder, these division games ALWAYS are, but i don't think it's the 85 Bears here.

 

[mosi]

To me the best offense they have faced is the Eagles. The Eagles.

I do agree this will be a grinder, these division games ALWAYS are, but i don't think it's the 85 Bears here.

And against the Eagles absolutely terrible O-line, they got 1 sack.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

Stop Ivory and let Fitzpatrick try and beat you. Beyond Marshall and Decker (both limited in practice all week), Jets don't have jack for WR's.

Even with the OL injuries, I'm reasonably confident we can put up at least 28 points which should be enough.

 

[MUFC7]

This injury mess is the whole reason why you want your bye later in the season. Makes a huge difference

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

(I'm being a bit pessimistic on Lewis; of course I hope I'm wrong. But his injury seems to be of the sort that has to be pretty completely healed before he can be effective.)

Training Q&A: How Do I Bounce Back From a Sports Hernia?

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Now if you injured the supporting muscles of the back and side, they are more likely to heal on their own. However, injuries on the front require some assistance. With proper treatment—which often means surgery and rehab—recovery can happen in about three to seven weeks, says Dr. Meyers.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Stop Ivory and let Fitzpatrick try and beat you. Beyond Marshall and Decker (both limited in practice all week), Jets don't have jack for WR's.

Even with the OL injuries, I'm reasonably confident we can put up at least 28 points which should be enough.

With your approach- which I agree with, not having Hi and Sheard hurts.

 

[venecol]

Yet they are #2 against the pass (186.6 ypg), #2 against the run (82.6 ypg) and #1 in scoring defense (15ppg)..

Not sure how you can say they haven't been nearly as dominant. Granted they have played only Cleveland, Indy, Philly, Washington and Miami with their lone loss coming against Philly.. But, none of those teams were as injured on their O-line as the Pats are.

I'm not saying gloom and doom, but I'm not pretending that everything is hunky dory and the Pats have no issues their like some people are.

#28 in sacks.

 

[ashley]

Vollmer looked very good at LT last week. I would just leave him there for the rest of the year. When Cannon get's back, I would put him at his better postion RT.
It looks like our line this week will be Vollmer, Kline, Andrews, Jackson and Flemming. Hopefully, Wendell can rotate in and can help at guard.
Overall, not the best run blocking line we have, that's for sure, but hopefully if we can get some help for Flemming, they can provide some time for Brady. At least there is no Devey at guard so that is a plus.