Final round cuts (Non-Patriots)

[captain stone]

One list of cuts still outstanding are the cuts from the Giants. We might find a DL there.

Marvin Austin perhaps?

 

[Big-T]

Marvin Austin perhaps?

Adewale Ojomo too. 6'4" 270lbs DE.

 

[supafly]

I judge a player based on what I see, not what incompetent teams like the Cowboys and Chiefs do.

I can totally respect your thoughts on not being satisfied with Mallett's progression so far--even though I don't personally agree on the same exact level.

The problem is that it'd be very difficult to expect another QB candidate (aside from maybe Hoyer in my opinion) that would be able to step in and contribute for this particular season.

Like I said, I'd be more than satisfied with bringing in another developmental QB to compete with Mallett and potentially take over for next season, but for this season I think we have to stick with Mallett--like it or not.

 

[mgteich]

This situations of the offensive and defensive lines are quite different.

OFFENSIVE LINE
We have 2 backups at TACKLE (Cannon and Svitek), and GUARD (also Cannon and Svitek). we have 2 backups at CENTER (Connolly and Kline). The only weakness is in the backup to the backup, the inactive 8th OL, Kline. All the rest are capable of starting.

I do agree that Kline as the 2nd backup at center is a weakness. However, it is a minor weakness.

DEFENSIVE LINE
Our DE backups (Bequette and Buchanan) are weak and inexperienced. Our DT backups are virtually non-existent (Vellano). This is a critical need.

Also, I don't know how anyone can be satisfied with the offensive line depth either. Kline was not good this pre-season other than the occasional showing in the running game.

This may be a quarterback league but as of right now - the depth on the offensive and defensive line has to be questioned.

 

[supafly]

This situations of the offensive and defensive lines are quite different.

OFFENSIVE LINE
We have 2 backups at TACKLE (Cannon and Svitek), and GUARD (also Cannon and Svitek). we have 2 backups at CENTER (Connolly and Kline). The only weakness is in the backup to the backup, the inactive 8th OL, Kline. All the rest are capable of starting.

I do agree that Kline as the 2nd backup at center is a weakness. However, it is a minor weakness.

DEFENSIVE LINE
Our DE backups (Bequette and Buchanan) are weak and inexperienced. Our DT backups are virtually non-existent (Vellano). This is a critical need.

Yes, I am much more concerned with the defensive line depth than I am with the offensive line depth.

Hopefully we see that addressed here very soon.

 

[Ring 6]

This situations of the offensive and defensive lines are quite different.

OFFENSIVE LINE
We have 2 backups at TACKLE (Cannon and Svitek), and GUARD (also Cannon and Svitek). we have 2 backups at CENTER (Connolly and Kline). The only weakness is in the backup to the backup, the inactive 8th OL, Kline. All the rest are capable of starting.

I do agree that Kline as the 2nd backup at center is a weakness. However, it is a minor weakness.

DEFENSIVE LINE
Our DE backups (Bequette and Buchanan) are weak and inexperienced. Our DT backups are virtually non-existent (Vellano). This is a critical need.

Our DE backups are no worse than last year. Cunningham did nothing at DE (although he was effective at DT in the sub) Trevor Scott stunk, and Francis had his whole season in one game against a team that was already on vacation.
Inexperienced is not a big concern to me with backup DEs. Weak, I disagree with, they just don't have recognizable names or pasts that can make you feel better than you should about their present.

 

[Ring 6]

This situations of the offensive and defensive lines are quite different.

OFFENSIVE LINE
We have 2 backups at TACKLE (Cannon and Svitek), and GUARD (also Cannon and Svitek). we have 2 backups at CENTER (Connolly and Kline). The only weakness is in the backup to the backup, the inactive 8th OL, Kline. All the rest are capable of starting.

I do agree that Kline as the 2nd backup at center is a weakness. However, it is a minor weakness.

DEFENSIVE LINE
Our DE backups (Bequette and Buchanan) are weak and inexperienced. Our DT backups are virtually non-existent (Vellano). This is a critical need.

DT depth doesn't exist, but who was the last good backup DT we had?
At least the new starter can play all downs.
I don't think our season will be determined by the play of the jags we have at backup DT, like every other year.

 

[jsull87]

the one that stood out to me was Robert Lester of Carolina. There were a couple of people here talking about him as a high round pick a year or 2 ago

 

[shmessy]

.... and Francis had his whole season in one game against a team that was already on vacation.

I didn't know the soon to be NFC Champion San Francisco 49ers were "already on vacation" when they beat up on the Patriots on Monday Night Football in mid December last year.

They sure looked like they came to play that night. And so did Justin Francis with 5 tackles (3 solo and 2 assisted).

I'm sure you just skipped ahead 2 weeks to the Miami Dolphins game.

 

[mgteich]

I agree that we amy be no worse off than last year. I would argue that we are worse in that we lost Cunningham.

The goal was improvement. As I recall, Cunningham started last year when Ninkovich needed to move to LB. He did fine. And yes, he was experienced. His experience was valuable. As you said, he was also valuable as a sub DT.

Aren't we therefore light one experienced backup?

Our DE backups are no worse than last year. Cunningham did nothing at DE (although he was effective at DT in the sub) Trevor Scott stunk, and Francis had his whole season in one game against a team that was already on vacation.
Inexperienced is not a big concern to me with backup DEs. Weak, I disagree with, they just don't have recognizable names or pasts that can make you feel better than you should about their present.

 

[mgteich]

I agree that we are GREATLY improved at DT. We now have two awesome starters with no backups. I agree that Kelly is a great improvement over Love.

I agree that we had poor DT backups last year (except for Cunningham in sub packages). So, we had Brace/Forston and Deaderick. Now we have Vellano and whoever Belichick signs this week.

Isn;'t the reality that one of our weaknesses last year was the lack of adequate DT backups.

Again, wasn't our goal improvement in DT backup? Surely, we might have done better than Vellano and no one.

DT depth doesn't exist, but who was the last good backup DT we had?
At least the new starter can play all downs.
I don't think our season will be determined by the play of the jags we have at backup DT, like every other year.

 

[shmessy]

I agree that we are GREATLY improved at DT. We now have two awesome starters with no backups. I agree that Kelly is a great improvement over Love.

I agree that we had poor DT backups last year (except for Cunningham in sub packages). So, we had Brace/Forston and Deaderick. Now we have Vellano and whoever Belichick signs this week.

Isn;'t the reality that one of our weaknesses last year was the lack of adequate DT backups.

Again, wasn't our goal improvement in DT backup? Surely, we might have done better than Vellano and no one.

BB has Gerard "Methusaleh" Warren on speed dial.

 

[mgteich]

and also Brace

BB has Gerard "Methusaleh" Warren on speed dial.

 

[supafly]

BB has Gerard "Methusaleh" Warren on speed dial.

Hopefully--if he's still been keeping in playing shape, that is. It's been awhile for the old man.

Nothing since the 2011 season. Was he even in TC last summer? I can't remember.

 

[supafly]

and also Brace

Oh jeez--I hope not! I think there's a pretty good reason why Brace hasn't been able to contribute or stay on a team. I kind of thought he was the typical "WTF" pick from the start to be honest, but I'm certainly no draftnik either.

 

[vyrago]

Wow yes. Definitely worth a look. We have the leaders to keep him in line.

After the Hernandez debacle can we say this with any confidence any longer?

 

[vyrago]

Or have I missed the sarcasm in your tone??

 

[Ozymandias]

Former Patriot Kyle Love cut by Jags today.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I can totally respect your thoughts on not being satisfied with Mallett's progression so far--even though I don't personally agree on the same exact level.

The problem is that it'd be very difficult to expect another QB candidate (aside from maybe Hoyer in my opinion) that would be able to step in and contribute for this particular season.

Like I said, I'd be more than satisfied with bringing in another developmental QB to compete with Mallett and potentially take over for next season, but for this season I think we have to stick with Mallett--like it or not.

The realistic expectation of a backup QB is that they not damage their own team if the starting QB goes down, it's expected that the offense will take a hit and rely on the running game, if the QB can make some passes here and there all the better.

That said, I think Mallett will just wind up throwing picks that actually do us harm. BB would always prefer someone who doesn't make mistakes than a QB who makes some big mistakes along with some big plays, the phrase "game manager" comes to mind.

Mallett threw that incredibly bad pass that was picked in the end zone and also missed a very easy pass to Boyce on the left side of the field, those are 101 level plays that an NFL QB should be able to make. He's simply extremely limited, he can make some magnificent throws but they come at the cost of plenty of very bad ones. You'd think he'd work at and imprrove in these areas but it's been the same thing with him for a while.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Mesko clears waivers. Bit surprised by that.