Manning is more skilled than Brady? Please explain.

[feldspar]

I don't think the 2007 Pats ran up the score any more than the 04 Colts did, they simply got more false media press about it.

This is completely and 100% false. The media were telling the truth in this case. The Patriots repeatedly threw the ball and went for the jugular when there was no question they were going to win the game. The Colts, in 2004, put Manning on the bench when the game was in hand. Manning sat out the last game, and he was only 1 TD behind Brady for the record despite having sat out the end of several previous games. Manning's stats would have been superior if his team had the unsportsmanlike mentality of the Patriots that year.

This ain't even opinion, like a lot of the rest of this thread has been.

 

[ausbacker]

This is completely and 100% false. The media were telling the truth in this case. The Patriots repeatedly threw the ball and went for the jugular when there was no question they were going to win the game. The Colts, in 2004, put Manning on the bench when the game was in hand. Manning sat out the last game, and he was only 1 TD behind Brady for the record despite having sat out the end of several previous games. Manning's stats would have been superior if his team had the unsportsmanlike mentality of the Patriots that year.

This ain't even opinion, like a lot of the rest of this thread has been.

Unsportsmanlike for playing the entirety of the game? I can imagine Roger Federer taking his foot off the pedal even when he knows he is going to win.

Good to see that you don't have a strategic brain to realise the only way you can assess plays is by trialling them in a live game environment. Don't for one minute be a daft fool and think something the Patriots try late in a game, won't have an affect for another game further down the track.

 

[efin98]

Somewhere in the afterlife, Rod Serling is reading this thread and thinking that he could have used if for a Twilight Zone episode.

 

[apple strudel]

This is completely and 100% false. The media were telling the truth in this case. The Patriots repeatedly threw the ball and went for the jugular when there was no question they were going to win the game. The Colts, in 2004, put Manning on the bench when the game was in hand. Manning sat out the last game, and he was only 1 TD behind Brady for the record despite having sat out the end of several previous games. Manning's stats would have been superior if his team had the unsportsmanlike mentality of the Patriots that year.

This ain't even opinion, like a lot of the rest of this thread has been.

Of course it is an opinion. When we took Brady out in the Miami game Cassel came in and stunk up the joint enough to make the game close and bring Brady back.

The Pats weren't running up the score, they were playing 60 minutes of football and using the regular season to get reps for a brand new WR corps. Also, scoring lots of points is, kind of, you know, the whole point.

 

[Miguel]

USATODAY.com - 2005 player ratings: Quarterbacks

while from 2005 list some skill areas.

 

[feldspar]

Unsportsmanlike for playing the entirety of the game?

Fine, say "stop us if you can." But don't pretend that other teams have done the same thing in the past. The 2004 Colts sure didn't come close to displaying the same behavior. Nobody has, and especially not on such a consistent basis.

I mean, the Patriots are beating the Bills by 32 points going into the 4th quarter and decide to go for it on fourth down at the Bills' 10 yard line? Who in the world has ever done something like that before? Who? For the third time, who? So they end up scoring a TD, completely running up the score. You can't argue with that.

How is that not running up the score? How is that not unsportsmanlike? Who has ever done such a thing?

 

[efin98]

USATODAY.com - 2005 player ratings: Quarterbacks

while from 2005 list some skill areas.

Sums it up nicely...and without the regurgitated 2007 stats to boot.

 

[ausbacker]

Fine, say "stop us if you can." But don't pretend that other teams have done the same thing in the past. The 2004 Colts sure didn't come close to displaying the same behavior. Nobody has, and especially not on such a consistent basis.

I mean, the Patriots are beating the Bills by 36 points going into the 4th quarter and decide to go for it on fourth down at the Bills' 10 yard line? Who in the world has ever done something like that before? Who? For the third time, who? So they end up scoring a TD, completely running up the score. You can't argue with that.

How is that not running up the score? How is that not unsportsmanlike? Who has ever done such a thing?

Who cares? Football is played for 60 minutes. I would expect my defense to make a stop. You're sounding more and more like a jaded Buffalo fan because you were slammed 94-17 over the 2 games.

If you want to blame anyone, blame your team for being pathetic, not the Patriots.

 

[feldspar]

Who cares? Football is played for 60 minutes. I would expect my defense to make a stop. You're sounding more and more like a jaded Buffalo fan because you were slammed 94-17 over the 2 games.

If you want to blame anyone, blame your team for being pathetic, not the Patriots.

I care.

That's unsportsmanlike. What, did the Patriots feel like the Bills were capable of scoring 36 points in less than a quarter while holding the Pats to nothing when the Bills haven't been able to do much the previous three?

My point is that nobody does this, and that Brady's stats became inflated as a result. You're damn right if you think this bothers me. There was absolutely no need for it. You may as well shove somebody's face in a steaming pile of pig vomit...it would accomplish the same thing. The Patriots deserved to lose the Super Bowl that year for doing that alone. Karma.

 

[bagwell368]

Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Brady vs. Manning: Complete & Unabridged, Vol. II

Manning has the most expensive offense in football since Y 2000. He has the WR/TE/RB over Brady, and with all that he has averaged 25 ypg more, and the #2 QB rating of all time (94.7 - with the aid of Domes, which strangely Brady plays even better in) vs. #5 at 92.9 for Brady.

Manning has been paid almost twice as much money in his career then Brady meaning other parts of the roster are being starved at his expense. Manning also cost the overall #1 pick, while Brady was a 6th rounder, another nice savings for the Pats.

But strangely in the playoffs Manning is 7-8 with a 85 rating (a drop of 9.7 under the regular season).

Brady is 14-3 in the playoffs with an 88.0 rating - 3 points better then Manning and only 4.9 under his regular season. He was supposed to have played poorly against the Giants - remember? His QB rating in that game was better then Mannings career playoff average, so his poor game was better then Manning average game - how telling.

Furthermore and finally, I urge all Manning fans to watch the playoff games in Jan '04 and Jan '05 in Foxboro where the hysterical, pink foreheaded Manning put up all time stinker games (QB rating 69.3 and 35.5). He was pointing, whining, and generally looking like a 14 year old mamas boy that misplaced mama. Don't forget to miss the classic postgame interview with Manning when he tossed his offensive line under the bus, instead of being a man, and taking the blame. I can't believe that team can even follow him. He's a Captain Queeg.

Some leader. I wouldn't have the overrated self satisfied jerk off on my team for all the tea in China. Only someone that couldn't tell **** from shinola could support Manning over Brady.

 

[ausbacker]

I care.

That's unsportsmanlike. What, did the Patriots feel like the Bills were capable of scoring 36 points in less than a quarter while holding the Pats to nothing when the Bills haven't been able to do much the previous three?

My point is that nobody does this, and that Brady's stats became inflated as a result. You're damn right if you think this bothers me. There was absolutely no need for it. You may as well shove somebody's face in a steaming pile of pig vomit...it would accomplish the same thing. The Patriots deserved to lose the Super Bowl that year for doing that alone. Karma.

So really, this comes down to a fundamental argument that your team simply wasn't good enough to compete with the Patriots and you're dirty about it? You're justifying future events that happened because your team simply wasn't good enough to force a stop.

At least now we all have an insight into your obvious bias towards Peyton Manning. You've basically shot yourself in the foot with any argument you can provide me with courtesy of this comment The Patriots deserved to lose the Super Bowl that year for doing that alone. Karma.

I figured that lay at the heart of all your musings.

True colours.. they always shine through.

 

[apple strudel]

There was absolutely no need for it.

1) See the Miami game (AKA 60 minutes of football).
2) Brand new WR corps getting reps.

 

[maverick4]

I care.

That's unsportsmanlike. What, did the Patriots feel like the Bills were capable of scoring 36 points in less than a quarter while holding the Pats to nothing when the Bills haven't been able to do much the previous three?

You won't do this, but if one goes back to look at quarter scores of the 2004 Colts games, Manning was regularly throwing for TD's when the Colts were already up 20+ points in the second half.

 

[Deus Irae]

I care.

That's unsportsmanlike. What, did the Patriots feel like the Bills were capable of scoring 36 points in less than a quarter while holding the Pats to nothing when the Bills haven't been able to do much the previous three?

My point is that nobody does this, and that Brady's stats became inflated as a result. You're damn right if you think this bothers me. There was absolutely no need for it. You may as well shove somebody's face in a steaming pile of pig vomit...it would accomplish the same thing. The Patriots deserved to lose the Super Bowl that year for doing that alone. Karma.

As you've been so often in this thread, you're wrong again.

 

[feldspar]

So really, this comes down to a fundamental argument that your team simply wasn't good enough to compete with the Patriots and you're dirty about it? You're justifying future events that happened because your team simply wasn't good enough to force a stop.

No, I told you what it was about, and it's not that.

It's about the Patriots going for it on fourth down while in "gimme" field-goal range instead of forcing the Bills to have to score 5 TDs and a two point conversion in less than a quarter, something that would be impossible.

If you don't concede the point, you are being completely unreasonable.

At least now we all have an insight into your obvious bias towards Peyton Manning. You've basically shot yourself in the foot with any argument you can provide me with courtesy of this comment The Patriots deserved to lose the Super Bowl that year for doing that alone. Karma.

I figured that lay at the heart of all your musings.

True colours.. they always shine through.

You have zero insight into my brain. I have the ability to take a step back before I evaluate the situation. Also, I think we suddenly are talking about a completely different subject.

 

[maverick4]

How is that not running up the score? How is that not unsportsmanlike? Who has ever done such a thing?

There is a LONG list of huge blowouts in NFL regular season and playoff history, in which the winning team kept scoring late in games when already up by 20+ points.

There are even more examples in other sports of blowouts.

Whining about losing big, rather than focusing on how you can get better, is more unsportsmanlike imo.

 

[feldspar]

As you've been so often in this thread, you're wrong again.

Who the fck are you? Why don't you say something on your own instead of pointing fingers?

 

[apple strudel]

If you don't concede the point, you are being completely unreasonable.

If you don't agree with me you're the unreasonable one. Yeah, that doesn't work.

 

[feldspar]

There is a LONG list of huge blowouts in NFL regular season and playoff history, in which the winning team kept scoring late in games when already up by 20+ points.

There are even more examples in other sports of blowouts.

Whining about losing big, rather than focusing on how you can get better, is more unsportsmanlike imo.

who has done things like go for in on fourth down on their opponents 10 yard line while ahead 32 points late in the game?

NOBODY does that. Nobody has done that. Give me one example of a different team doing something remotely similar. Just one, then I'll shut up. Until you do, you are full of crap.

 

[bagwell368]

Want to beef about running the score? How about Miami dropping a 52-0 beat down on the Pats on November 12th 1972. First 4 TD's were rushes, followed by a FG, then the last 3 were TD's.

1972 - 17-0 Dolphins? Stats were inflated, take it away from them. Or take it away because the winning percentage of the teams they beat was about .368.

Maybe like most people you should let it go, or maybe you are like your pink headed pal Manning, a whining loser.

Or maybe you like attention in your lonely basement, maybe we should all stop feeding the troll.