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Old 06-20-2009, 02:32 PM   #11
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You mean 5-3 in game sevens versus 8-0 for Red?????
It seems, whenever anyone wants to proclaim Phil as the best, their opinion without any reference is absolute. 5-3 in game sevens. That must include the biggest blowout in NBA history.
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Old 06-20-2009, 06:13 PM   #12
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Red Auerbach, won eight world championships in a row. People want to talk about how much easier it was back then ( we still are in our time machine). Against the L.A. Lakers, which featured the greatest player in the games history, Chamberlain was 7-1, 275 lbs.
Point of order on that...Chamberlain wasn't on the Lakers during some of those finals- he didn't get traded there until 1968, he was with the Warriors and '76ers before being traded to the LA Lakers...Red had retired two years before he went there.

The only time he faced them in the finals when Red coached was '64 when he was with the San Fransisco Warriors. He did however have to face Red in the playoffs when they were in Philadelphia prior to moving to San Fransisco.
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Point of order on that...Chamberlain wasn't on the Lakers during some of those finals- he didn't get traded there until 1968, he was with the Warriors and '76ers before being traded to the LA Lakers...Red had retired two years before he went there.

The only time he faced them in the finals when Red coached was '64 when he was with the San Fransisco Warriors. He did however have to face Red in the playoffs when they were in Philadelphia prior to moving to San Fransisco.

And he was 1-5 when facing the Celtics pre-Laker days iin the playoffs....
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And he was 1-5 when facing the Celtics pre-Laker days iin the playoffs....
Actually it was 0-5 against Red's Celtics, he beat them the year after Red retired from coaching.
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Old 06-21-2009, 08:58 AM   #15
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There will definitely be outrage in regards to my next statement. The 1964 Boston Celtics coached by Red, would mop the floor with this year's Lakers, coached by Phil.
Before you Laker fans (specifically ones born after the 60's) cry foul, I'll explain.
This isn't football, where players are bigger and more athletic. The starting line-up for the Celtics: Russell-Center,6-9, 215; would dominate both ends of court.
Havlicek-F, 6-5, 203; a complete player who moves without the ball non-stop.
Heinsohn-F, 6-7, 218; Hard nosed with great shooting touch.
S. Jones-G, 6-4,198; clutch with lightning quickness.
KC Jones-G, 6-1,200; Defensive standout.
Ramsey-G/f, 6-3,190 (the beginning of the sixth man).

Coach: Red Auerbach, the best coach in basketball history.

Anyone who follows basketball knows that today's game is not team oriented, Red coaching any of his Celtic teams would have beaten a team like L.A. Had I gone to an earlier Celtic team, I could have used Sharman and Cousy. Felt I shouldn't annihilate a team or coach's ego.
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There will definitely be outrage in regards to my next statement. The 1964 Boston Celtics coached by Red, would mop the floor with this year's Lakers, coached by Phil.
Before you Laker fans (specifically ones born after the 60's) cry foul, I'll explain.
This isn't football, where players are bigger and more athletic. The starting line-up for the Celtics: Russell-Center,6-9, 215; would dominate both ends of court.
Havlicek-F, 6-5, 203; a complete player who moves without the ball non-stop.
Heinsohn-F, 6-7, 218; Hard nosed with great shooting touch.
S. Jones-G, 6-4,198; clutch with lightning quickness.
KC Jones-G, 6-1,200; Defensive standout.
Ramsey-G/f, 6-3,190 (the beginning of the sixth man).

Coach: Red Auerbach, the best coach in basketball history.

Anyone who follows basketball knows that today's game is not team oriented, Red coaching any of his Celtic teams would have beaten a team like L.A. Had I gone to an earlier Celtic team, I could have used Sharman and Cousy. Felt I shouldn't annihilate a team or coach's ego.

I agree with you brother.......and great stats here.....Phil "ahole" Jackson has always walked in to teams LOADED with talent.....while Red built the Celts from the bottom up. No Contest......Red Auerbach is the greatest NBA coach EVER!!!!!
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There will definitely be outrage in regards to my next statement. The 1964 Boston Celtics coached by Red, would mop the floor with this year's Lakers, coached by Phil.
Before you Laker fans (specifically ones born after the 60's) cry foul, I'll explain.
This isn't football, where players are bigger and more athletic. The starting line-up for the Celtics: Russell-Center,6-9, 215; would dominate both ends of court.
Havlicek-F, 6-5, 203; a complete player who moves without the ball non-stop.
Heinsohn-F, 6-7, 218; Hard nosed with great shooting touch.
S. Jones-G, 6-4,198; clutch with lightning quickness.
KC Jones-G, 6-1,200; Defensive standout.
Ramsey-G/f, 6-3,190 (the beginning of the sixth man).

Coach: Red Auerbach, the best coach in basketball history.
Those six were all Hall of Famers...add in Clyde Lovellette and you have a full team with replacements that would wipe the floor with those Lakers
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Actually it was 0-5 against Red's Celtics, he beat them the year after Red retired from coaching.
Mea culpa..I stand corrected....
I guess the magic in 1967 got used up in Kenmore Square......
Talk about walking away a winner... championships 8 years in a row...something like 25 straight playoff series wins
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Those six were all Hall of Famers...add in Clyde Lovellette and you have a full team with replacements that would wipe the floor with those Lakers
Efin, you are a very knowledgeable fan. Kudos on the Chamberlain trade.
Clyde Lovellette eludes me (googled). Dang, and he did play for the Celtics. I'm impressed.
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Efin, you are a very knowledgeable fan. Kudos on the Chamberlain trade.
Clyde Lovellette eludes me (googled). Dang, and he did play for the Celtics. I'm impressed.
Only corrected as I knew someone would hop in to correct, figured you'd prefer someone who agreed with you in principal correct you first

And Lovellette was someone I'd never heard of, just looked at the roster and at his career stats and saw that he'd been inducted into the Hall of Fame...but still one hell of a team that year- one of the best all time.
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