Patriots Rumor Wolf turned down at least three 1sts from the Vikings

[ctpatsfan77]

They weren’t offering an extra third round pick (which is what Miami got) and, as I also noted, the Vikings were asking for multiple pick swaps this year in the their (the Viking’s) favor.

My point is simply that if we're going to make an honest comparison, the deals were roughly similar; the Vikings weren't offering drastically more or less than Miami got from the 49ers, though it obviously wasn't going to be nearly enough to get NE to move off drafting Maye.

 

[IcyPatriot]

If #11 and #23 and next years 1st was so great why did the Vikings not keep them,.

Well we know why ...............

 

[TommyD4207]

Yep. You read that RIGHT..

Wolf turned down 11, 23 and a 1st in 2025.

That's the sort of deal that CHANGES teams and the Pats fubared it.

They could have had the QB, WR and OT ALL by 34..

Execs unfiltered on AFC's Draft class: Should the Patriots have traded down?

Execs were split on the Pats choosing Drake Maye over a boatload of picks, and they had questions about the Raiders taking TE Brock Bowers.

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If that was the offer, this is absolute malpractice. Patriots could have been set up for the next decade.

 

[festy1986]

Fixed it for you.

Heard of the Jets?

You can get those guys anywhere. That **** is on coaching.

call me when a bottom 15 QB wins a Superbowl.

 

[DaBruinz]

We heard this rumor last week. Why are we acting like this is new information.

Because there's an actual SOURCE on it. But why bother with that. Last week there was nothing concrete. You could have just skipped over it instead of complaining.

 

[DaBruinz]

It's old news that's been debated, thank you though.

It's not considered that you didn't have a source previously. Thank you though.

 

[DaBruinz]

So they would have gotten two mid to late 1sts in consecutive drafts to move down from 3 to 11 and also had to swap picks in Minnesota’s favor in later rounds. Wouldn’t you rather take a shot with Maye?

No. Maye's footwork is s**t and I don't see him fixing it. When a guy can't hit for more than 66% throwing behind the LOS, that's a problem. And he couldn't make better than 57% on throws past 11 yards?

Maye has BUST written all over him. Just like Williams.

 

[DaBruinz]

Why are you acting like this is news? Was pretty common knowledge they had been offering it ever since they got the 23rd pick. Problem with the trade was Vikings wanted us to either give mid-round picks or swap mid-round picks. Which is laughable. They wanted us to trade down in multiple rounds for the 23rd pick and probably a bottom 15 pick in weak draft class next year.

Another thing is it wasn't 3 1st round picks. It was 2. Since it would have been us swapping the 3rd for the 11th. Which would have completely taken the team out of a potential franchise QB (Maye), franchise WR (Harrison, Nabbers and Odunze), franchise OT (Alt & Fashanu)

But let's play the trade out

Pats give up 3, Vikings give up 11, 23 and '25 1st (probably not higher than 15 in a weak class)

Vikings take Maye

Pats take McCarthy at 11, Jordan Morgan/Tyler Guyton or Xavier Legette/Keon Coleman at 23, Ja'Lynn Polk or Patrick Paul at 34

Does McCarthy, Morgan/Guyton and Polk really change it that much?

Would much rather have Maye than McCarthy

All you had before was a whole bunch of nothing speculation. The Athletic article actually CONFIRMED it. Why is it that people on this board have forgotten the difference between pure speculation and actual reporting.?


Or the Pats let McCarthy slide by taking a Tackle and then grab McCarthy at 23 and still get Polk at 34 or even 37..

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I don’t give a **** if this pick doesn’t work out. It was still the right move. I’ll repeat that 100 times over as you continuously live in denial about the value of the QB position.

There are no guarantees Maye is the QBotF. But I agree with this on two levels:

(1) If you have to make a gamble on your QB, it's better that it only be one first-rounder rather than multiple. Imagine what the 49ers could have accomplished with the extra firsts they wasted on Lance.

(2) If you fix the rest of the roster, it becomes a heck of a lot harder to land that QBotF when you're "ready" for him.

 

[DaBruinz]

"Franchise altering????" NO way. We trade the #3 and a chance for a REAL franchise altering pick to get a shot at ONE top tier pick (and at the bottom of that top Tier at best) and likely 2 second tier guys who MIGHT be very good, but certainly not "franchise altering".

Now granted EVERY draft pick has a chance to be a HOFer, but we know that they all have the risk of not even making the roster or to be ineffective even if they do. So lets try this, FC. Come back to this topic in 3 years IF Maye is a bust and feel free to pat yourself on the back and give us all a big "I told you so." AND I will give you a big "winner" comment on your post.

But UNTIL then, please refrain from making ridiculous comments like the one above.

Sorry, Ken. But when you can add 3 pieces like a Starting OT, Franchise QB, and top WR, then it IS a franchise altering deal. McCarthy is as much a "Franchise" guy as people are selling their souls in hopes of Maye being. You know. Maye. The guy who couldn't hit the broad side of an Aircraft Carrier..

Now? They have S**T for LT.
They drafted a guy who never played there in his career.
They signed a guy who has a total of 13 pro snaps at LT over his 6 year career.
They have a guy who they traded for last year but never performed up to expectations.

Yes, they have Anderson, who is coming off that weird sickness, but we have no idea what he's going to do.

All it takes it the same sort of Carousel at LT this year as they had last year and my fear is born out. It would mark the 3rd year in a row that the team would have used an excessive number of OTs. Which is a guaranteed recipe for finishing below 8-9. Do you realize that you have to go back 30 years on this team before you have 3+ straight losing seasons?

And Next year is going to be S**T for OTs. So, you get your "Veteran" QB killed because you don't have a LT to protect him. And your still trying to fix LT when you want your "FRANCHISE" <sic> QB starting? You gonna move Onwenu to LT in hopes that he's at least a JAG the way he is at RT despite LG being his worst position to this point?

 

[DaBruinz]

Is this news? We all knew this to be the case and I for one am happy they passed on it.

Really? You KNEW? LIAR. There is no way you KNEW because there was ZERO confirmation during the draft. It was complete and total speculation. Including rumors that the Vikings HADN'T offered all 3 picks. It was FAN SPECULATION that the 3 picks is what it would take. but there was no CONFIRMATION.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

All you had before was a whole bunch of nothing speculation. The Athletic article actually CONFIRMED it. Why is it that people on this board have forgotten the difference between pure speculation and actual reporting.?


Or the Pats let McCarthy slide by taking a Tackle and then grab McCarthy at 23 and still get Polk at 34 or even 37..

(A) Mike Reiss reported it several days ago as 3 + 2 mid-round picks for 11, 23, and a 2025 first.

How the Patriots decided QB Drake Maye was their future

The Patriots had one of the most intriguing dilemmas of the 2024 NFL draft. Here's why they chose to stay put at No. 3 overall.

www.espn.com

Breer is reporting it as 3 + 3 pick swaps favoring MIN.



(B) You're of course assuming that the JEST wouldn't screw NE over by letting someone to trade up to 10 for McCarthy, and, if they didn't trade up, that he'd make it past two more QB-needy teams in the Raiders and Saints.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

If this is true the the NO came from Kraft Bob. That's a franchise altering trade. Krafty is in such **** PR right now that he absolutely needed a QB to sell to the fans ..

most of your posts seem to be the same negative blathering over and over. i'm starting to suspect you may be the finishing end of the human centipede.

 

[Fuzz]

No. Maye's footwork is s**t and I don't see him fixing it. When a guy can't hit for more than 66% throwing behind the LOS, that's a problem. And he couldn't make better than 57% on throws past 11 yards?

Maye has BUST written all over him. Just like Williams.

Damn, why do the Patriots bother with scouts and game tape when they can just ask you to dig up some obscure stats from god knows where?

“The less people know, the more stubbornly they know it”.

 

[KCSVEN]

No. Maye's footwork is s**t and I don't see him fixing it. When a guy can't hit for more than 66% throwing behind the LOS, that's a problem. And he couldn't make better than 57% on throws past 11 yards?

Maye has BUST written all over him. Just like Williams.

57% past 11 yards, the average is 57% from 10-19 and 39% for 20+ so 57% at the weirdly random 11+ yards with crap wide receivers seems rather elite.
It's also a meaningless #. Did you break it down by accurate throw vs inaccurate, separation vs no separation, pressure vs no pressur, adjusted completion % for drops? Where is your throw by throw breakdown of every throw?
This is not scouting, this is not any type of analysis, this is you just having an opinion based on no facts and then going into a needle in a haystack to look for something to back up your pre-formed opinion and ignoring everything that says otherwise.

I'd rather trust analyzing every throw he makes and comparing to other college QB's, when you do that he comes out as among the elite of the elite but, yeah you rely on a random stat.

You don't even know anything about his footwork, you seem to regurgitate a scouting report and 1 play analysis from BB,
The footwork thing is overrated and fixable and NOT something he does all the time, so he already knows proper footwork, just needs to do it in certain situations.

You don't think Maye is a franchise QB so obviously you would take a trade to get someone you like better, most people disagree with you and thus would not trade a franchise QB for anything other than another franchise QB, which was not an option.
Instead of criticizing them for not making the trade you need to ask yourself would you trade away a franchise QB, with the odds of not getting another one extremely high for any package? That's the choice Patriots made based on their scouting opinion. All you have is a different scouting opinion but based on your "evidence" you are not actually spending any time trying to do a non-biased scouting report.

NFL teams are overthinking Drake Maye in 2024 NFL Draft

Drake Maye seems to be sliding in the 2024 NFL Draft. Here is why he shouldn’t be.

www.sbnation.com

 

[State]

call me when a bottom 15 QB wins a Superbowl.

Joe Gibbs says hi with his SB winning QBs of Mark Rypien and Doug Williams.

 

[KCSVEN]

Patrick Mahomes has always been criticized for terrible footwork, in 2022 he was rated 2nd worst footwork in NFL, to Aaron Rodgers by one analyst. Another rated him the worst.
Too bad, Seems the kids ceiling might be Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes, should have done the trade.

 

[RIpats88]

if wolf traded the pick, Maye ends up legit and we never find a QB then the same posters would whine that we did the deal. sure we have alot of other needs, but QB is the biggest one.

 

[RIpats88]

Sorry, Ken. But when you can add 3 pieces like a Starting OT, Franchise QB, and top WR, then it IS a franchise altering deal. McCarthy is as much a "Franchise" guy as people are selling their souls in hopes of Maye being. You know. Maye. The guy who couldn't hit the broad side of an Aircraft Carrier..

Now? They have S**T for LT.
They drafted a guy who never played there in his career.
They signed a guy who has a total of 13 pro snaps at LT over his 6 year career.
They have a guy who they traded for last year but never performed up to expectations.

Yes, they have Anderson, who is coming off that weird sickness, but we have no idea what he's going to do.

All it takes it the same sort of Carousel at LT this year as they had last year and my fear is born out. It would mark the 3rd year in a row that the team would have used an excessive number of OTs. Which is a guaranteed recipe for finishing below 8-9. Do you realize that you have to go back 30 years on this team before you have 3+ straight losing seasons?

And Next year is going to be S**T for OTs. So, you get your "Veteran" QB killed because you don't have a LT to protect him. And your still trying to fix LT when you want your "FRANCHISE" <sic> QB starting? You gonna move Onwenu to LT in hopes that he's at least a JAG the way he is at RT despite LG being his worst position to this point?

arguing about the draft is always funny to me. you are acting so sure like McCarthy is a franchise QB and we easily would've picked 3 studs with those picks. we don't know if any of these guys including Maye are franchise QB's until probably 3 years from now. projecting how guys fit in the NFL sitting on your couch is a fools errand when even scouts can't fully project how they will adapt. its why brock purdy went with the last pick.

heck the 2020 draft was generational! and ended up being generationally bad. Mac Jones looked good in his first year and everyone had high hopes and we saw how that ended up.

but lets act like the 3rd pick is guaranteed to be a bust, and jj mccarthy is destined to have his name put in canton. theres a reason one went 3rd and the other 10th. he may end up being better.

but to act like one is a franchise QB and the other will be a bust before either have taken an NFL snap is pure ridiculousness.

 

[TomPatriot]

No. Maye's footwork is s**t and I don't see him fixing it. When a guy can't hit for more than 66% throwing behind the LOS, that's a problem. And he couldn't make better than 57% on throws past 11 yards?

Maye has BUST written all over him. Just like Williams.

You might be right about Maye’s bust potential, but here’s what Brian Hoyer had to say about footwork.

"I actually think it's the easiest thing to fix," Hoyer responded. "Coming in, I learned so much from watching Tom (Brady) and his footwork, and obviously Bill O'Brien and his coaching. The footwork, to me, would be the least of the concerns."