Patriots Rumor Wolf turned down at least three 1sts from the Vikings

[festy1986]

Joe Gibbs says hi with his SB winning QBs of Mark Rypien and Doug Williams.

That's like comparing pitchers now to the dead ball era.

Not even remotely the same league.

 

[jdlboot14]

OR... consider that Vikings & Giants both wanted to trade 3 first round picks for Maye - so, maybe they all believe he's worth it.
And we got him for 1 first round pick, without losing anything (except the entire '23 season)

 

[JohnJH]

I was for the Patriots taking Maye at 3. Happy with the pick.

One thing that is mostly overlooked is that Maye sucked it up when things went wrong. He had a mediocre OL and a new OC and just rolled with it. Showed a lot of character and toughness.

Yep. He also had the least amount of talent to work with of all the highest graded QB's in the 2024 Draft Class, especially at OL and Skill Position Players (his only decent weapon being Devontez Walker and he lost Josh Downs from the year before). Imagine if he had the talent that Daniels, Penix Jr., or Williams had to work with? Even so, I suspect having done as well as he did in less than ideal circumstances might prove to be beneficial as far as his toughness and mental attitude when it comes to developing in the NFL.

 

[JohnJH]

No. Maye's footwork is s**t and I don't see him fixing it. When a guy can't hit for more than 66% throwing behind the LOS, that's a problem. And he couldn't make better than 57% on throws past 11 yards?

Maye has BUST written all over him. Just like Williams.

If you're proven to be right, I'll congratulate you for calling your shot. If you're proven wrong, will you admit it?

 

[1960Pats]

How can you say the Pats won’t come close to the SB in the next five years?

Who saw the Pats 1st SB when Bledsoe got injured and they inserted a 6th round pick to replace him?

The Pats already had a losing record and THIS happens?

I was already looking ahead to who the best players coming out in the next draft were because that season was clearly lost.

Now I’m not suggesting that Maye, or Milton, will give us a replay on that occurrence, but a lot can happen in one year, let alone five.

I remember the arguments I had with some Pats fans at the end of the 2001 season. They were in two camps;
1) The Pats aren't getting to the SB.
2) Even if the Pats get to the SB there's no way in hell that they beat the Rams.
After seeing how close the Pats-Rams regular season game was it gave me a confidence boost. I still enjoy seeing those fans and reminding them of how wrong they were.

 

[1960Pats]

That's like comparing pitchers now to the dead ball era.

Not even remotely the same league.

I was surprised that he didn't go with the standard Trent Dilfer answer. At least that was only 2 decades ago.

Whenever I have to choose between eras in any sport I usually go older. That was when there were less teams and the talent was more concentrated.

I also look at a player's peers to see the talent he played against. Magic and Bird had a much tougher road than Jordan, just as Brady had a much tougher road than Mahomes will.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

OR... consider that Vikings & Giants both wanted to trade 3 first round picks for Maye - so, maybe they all believe he's worth it.
And we got him for 1 first round pick, without losing anything (except the entire '23 season)

The Giants have a meddling owners and maybe the Vikings. What the Patriots lost is a golden opportunity to pick up a premier WR like Legett and and blue chip LT. No worries though; the Patriots will be picking high again in 2025 and maybe then they can keep Kraft out of the draft room and trade down.

 

[203Pat]

Good. To me that means they're all in on Maye. At that position you have to be all in on the guy you're taking.

 

[Fuzz]

The Giants have a meddling owners and maybe the Vikings. What the Patriots lost is a golden opportunity to pick up a premier WR like Legett and and blue chip LT. No worries though; the Patriots will be picking high again in 2025 and maybe then they can keep Kraft out of the draft room and trade down.

In that scenario, they would be picking who at QB? Rattler? NE would riot. Legette was not even a top 10 wide receiver on many boards and ended up being the last pick of the 1st round - hardly the premier prospect you describe him to be. The only true premier prospects this year were Harrison Jr, Nabers and Odunze - all of whom would be gone before either of the Vikings picks.

Given how the draft played out, the Patriots would be coming out with Fashanu/Fautanu and Thomas Jr/Worthy/Legette in this draft and likely a low 1st round pick in next years draft. Not a draft “haul” by any means.

 

[KCSVEN]

The Giants have a meddling owners and maybe the Vikings. What the Patriots lost is a golden opportunity to pick up a premier WR like Legett and and blue chip LT. No worries though; the Patriots will be picking high again in 2025 and maybe then they can keep Kraft out of the draft room and trade down.

Except the main report from Dianna Russini was it would be a tough sell to the Giants owner to trade all these assets to go up for Maye after signing Jones to a huge contract. The owner, when asked said he'd support it: Only if the GM and coach absolutely "loved" a QB in the draft

I think it was clear that it was Daboll and Schoen for the Giants in on Maye and O'Connell with the Vikings (Reported by several insiders).

It's really telling how badly teams analyze QB's that Maye was not the clear #1 overall by all teams. He checks every box.

I checked the 2010's top 25 QB's, 2 guys were not built like Maye: Russell Wilson and Drew Brees.
Brees was a total outlier and was completely unique talent that you'll probably never see again. Wilson beat the odds but was drafted where he was because those odds are so low.
To draft any QB under 6 feet 2 and under 220 pounds before Maye is dumb. It may work out, but odds are low and should play the odds.
Here is a guy that matches every quality the top QB's generally have and somehow, he goes QB3.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Except the main report from Dianna Russini was it would be a tough sell to the Giants owner to trade all these assets to go up for Maye after signing Jones to a huge contract. The owner, when asked said he'd support it: Only if the GM and coach absolutely "loved" a QB in the draft

I think it was clear that it was Daboll and Schoen for the Giants in on Maye and O'Connell with the Vikings (Reported by several insiders).

It's really telling how badly teams analyze QB's that Maye was not the clear #1 overall by all teams. He checks every box.

I checked the 2010's top 25 QB's, 2 guys were not built like Maye: Russell Wilson and Drew Brees.
Brees was a total outlier and was completely unique talent that you'll probably never see again. Wilson beat the odds but was drafted where he was because those odds are so low.
To draft any QB under 6 feet 2 and under 220 pounds before Maye is dumb. It may work out, but odds are low and should play the odds.
Here is a guy that matches every quality the top QB's generally have and somehow, he goes QB3.

Chicago was enamored by Williams' off-platform throws, and Washington by Daniels' breakaway speed and his experience. I agree that Maye probably has more potential than either of them.

 

[Steve102]

Unless of course Maye turns out to be 'The Guy' then this front office made exactly the right decision.

It's fubar if Maye sucks, it's genius if he's an All-Pro. To make a decision today is ridiculous.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

The Giants have a meddling owners and maybe the Vikings. What the Patriots lost is a golden opportunity to pick up a premier WR like Legett and and blue chip LT. No worries though; the Patriots will be picking high again in 2025 and maybe then they can keep Kraft out of the draft room and trade down.

The appeal of the trade down for 11, 23, and #20 or so in 2025 was lower risk: many top 10 QB's are busts, and relatively few 1st round WR's and OT's are busts. But if the QB plays up to his potential, that's worth more than a lower level QB (say McCarthy) together with say a Guyton at 23 and whatever they would get a year from now.

Plus we'd have had to give up some draft capital to make the deal with Minn (unknown pick swaps), and more draft capital to move up to 10 or 9 to land McCarthy. And there was inherent risk/uncertainty of what QB's would go between 3 and 10. When you weigh all that, Wolf did the right thing.

 

[The Gr8est]

Except the main report from Dianna Russini was it would be a tough sell to the Giants owner to trade all these assets to go up for Maye after signing Jones to a huge contract. The owner, when asked said he'd support it: Only if the GM and coach absolutely "loved" a QB in the draft

I think it was clear that it was Daboll and Schoen for the Giants in on Maye and O'Connell with the Vikings (Reported by several insiders).

It's really telling how badly teams analyze QB's that Maye was not the clear #1 overall by all teams. He checks every box.

I checked the 2010's top 25 QB's, 2 guys were not built like Maye: Russell Wilson and Drew Brees.
Brees was a total outlier and was completely unique talent that you'll probably never see again. Wilson beat the odds but was drafted where he was because those odds are so low.
To draft any QB under 6 feet 2 and under 220 pounds before Maye is dumb. It may work out, but odds are low and should play the odds.
Here is a guy that matches every quality the top QB's generally have and somehow, he goes QB3.

Now that the draft is over, I will say that if the Pats had the #1 pick in the entire draft, I would still prefer Maye over both Williams and Daniels.

I held my breath waiting for Washington’s pick.

 

[DW Toys]

Yep. You read that RIGHT..

Wolf turned down 11, 23 and a 1st in 2025.

That's the sort of deal that CHANGES teams and the Pats fubared it.

They could have had the QB, WR and OT ALL by 34..

Execs unfiltered on AFC's Draft class: Should the Patriots have traded down?

Execs were split on the Pats choosing Drake Maye over a boatload of picks, and they had questions about the Raiders taking TE Brock Bowers.

theathletic.com

WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE BRUINZ COUSIN. BUT YOU ARE DEAD ON.
Three first rounders can change the whole franchise.
Well we didn't get Maye then if we trade #3? Answer: How many proven QBs will there be in the next FA if we doubt the class of 2025 Draft?

If Maye becomes Josh Allen I will eat my words but the percentages say no. I hope I have to.

The final determination of the success of this Draft is if Maye is a bust and Nix can light it up for the Broncos. We could have had Nix at #11 and our choice of OT or WR at #23 or trade down and gotten more like a Leggett late one and Paul or the like in the second. We have to get a real GM, not just a "my Dad was really good at this".
DW Toys

 

[Run DMC]

I like picking Maye as a decent bet lottery ticket above all other options. This is going to take 2-3 years to fix this mess. Next years QB draft options suck. Pick up your stud LT and hopefully #1 WR next year and we'll go from there. I like our chances.

 

[VrabelJr]

Considering how we have holes all over the place this is a fireable offense. Turning down an offer like that reeks of a first year HC+GM duo thinking short-term.

 

[KCSVEN]

Now that the draft is over, I will say that if the Pats had the #1 pick in the entire draft, I would still prefer Maye over both Williams and Daniels.

I held my breath waiting for Washington’s pick.

I am 100% with you, When the rumor was out Washington GM loved Maye at the combine and the consultant that worked in the Washington hiring search said he thought Maye was going before Daniels I went to study Maye's film again and then same day, I looked at Daniels film so I could freshly compare.
I tried to talk myself into Daniels with the elite running skill, but I couldn't believe how bad I thought he was processing and throwing. Watching Maye and Daniels film back-to-back was eye opening.
I thought Daniels was a slightly more accurate Justin Fields with less arm strength. I thought I'd rather draft McCarthy than Daniels, though not sure he's better, but he at least has some mystery to his upside.
I really believed Washington was taking Maye until they announced it, Daniels just made no sense to me.

 

[203Pat]

I do find it funny that the site's biggest homers for years never second guessed a single decision and now can't wait to call out every decision the new regime makes.

 

[Pats2000]

Yep. You read that RIGHT..

Wolf turned down 11, 23 and a 1st in 2025.

That's the sort of deal that CHANGES teams and the Pats fubared it.

They could have had the QB, WR and OT ALL by 34..

Execs unfiltered on AFC's Draft class: Should the Patriots have traded down?

Execs were split on the Pats choosing Drake Maye over a boatload of picks, and they had questions about the Raiders taking TE Brock Bowers.

theathletic.com

Won't seem like a bad move if Maye turns out to be the guy