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Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Soul_Survivor88, Feb 3, 2020.

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Who deserves more blame? Jimmy G or Garappolo

  1. Jimmy G

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  2. Kyle Shanahan

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  3. Both deserve the blame

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  4. Niners defense

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  5. All of the above

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  1. supafly

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    Florio wrote an article about the no-call personal foul penalty on the sidelines against JG with about 9:30 left in the game. If they make that call, SF gets a fresh set of downs and eats up another few minutes. I don’t know how bad it is because FOX never bothered to show the replay, but I thought that it was a penalty in real time.
     
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    It was the same play as the extremely obvious offsides penalty. You can probably count on one finger the number of times and a d-lineman jumped over the line just before the snap and it wasn’t called this season. I mean, this is the realm of batsh1t crazy not to call that. Yes, it was impossible to tell whether JG got hit in bounds or out of bounds. It’s a black and white rule. Jonathan Jones just hammered Jared Goff in last year’s SB. If he’s oob first it’s a penalty. If his foot is three inches from the boundary but not touching it, it’s fair game.

    The helmet to helmet on JG was another absurdly bad call, like “how could you possibly not see this???” Ref standing right there. JG got up after the play and the ref started with the “huh? I didn’t see it” talk, it appeared from body language. You didn’t see a helmet to helmet hit on a QB where the face masks smash into each other? Another one that gets called almost every time.

    Chiefs problem is they are undisciplined. Letting the players play is BS here....the Chiefs got off the hook for basically every non-judgment call penalty. That’s not what “let them play” means.
     
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    There was another no-call where a SF receiver was clearly out of bounds and a KC defender delivered an obvious unnecessary hit after the play was over.

    I don't think there was a pro-KC fix or anything I think it was that the refs desperately didn't want to be a part of the conversation after the game was over so they let a ton of extra-curricular **** go down. Still, that was complete BS and would have altered the game undeniably.
     
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    All of this talk is really helping me get over the half-cashed ticket that I had for SF, last night.
     
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    Early in the 4th, they needed to keep Mahomes off the field, control the ball and run them down. Rushing game was fantastic for three quarters, at some point they converted 3 straight runs for 10+ yards between Mostert and Coleman... have no idea why they kept shootin with Jimmy later on, it looked desperate.
    Mahomes was also desperate on a couple of throws but well, nobody will remember that in a week, unfortunately.
     
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    Letting all of this go down, though (except for a very questionable OPI call against SF) was a huge advantage for KC. Their team is undisciplined so got away with loads of calls at critical times. A blatant false start, a blatant offsides, a helmet to helmet, an obvious holding call on a critical play, a late hit out of bounds (or two). Discipline is part of the game too.

    The cherry on top was during the 49ers last gasp of the game, they whistled Garoppolo “in the grasp” and the ref just couldn’t wait to blow it dead. So, are they letting them play or not? That was a weak call. He still had the ball in his arm to throw a pass...have seen many QBs throw the ball despite being tackled like that. It’s about player safety, but they decided not flag a blatant helmet to helmet in Q4.
     
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    -Jimmy G for missing a few lay-ups.

    -Shanahan for neglecting the run up 20-10 in the 4th quarter.
     
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    In fairness, we can't really pin that on Mosley, he wasn't in man coverage. Salah deserves a big share of the blame for sticking to a zone scheme even when it wasn't working.

    You just can't play zone against KC when you're trying to hold a lead. Mahomes is very good at feeling out where the holes are going to be.

    This is why we had so many DB's. We were built to stop KC.
     
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    To summarize:

    -10-10, 2nd quarter, 1:50 to go
    - you have 3 timeouts
    - you're receiving the ball to start the 2nd half and KC is punting with the clock running.

    And you DON'T play to take advantage of that until 3rd and long with 9 seconds when all of a sudden you huck it way down field??????????

    Forget about the 4th quarter.........Shanahan shouldn't have been allowed back on the sidelines for the 2nd half.

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    I blame Welker.
     
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    But the chances were that SF would be pinned back inside the 15 or maybe even near the goal line. If they’d known the punt would be a touch back, I’m sure they’d have played it differently. I thought they handled the clock okay there with what they could expect at the time. Calling a TO, getting the ball deep in your territory, and then going 3 and out would have been disastrous.
     
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    .....that wasn't all, though. They followed THAT by running two straight plays right into the line and bled over a minute more off the clock........

    And then chucked it downfield on a play that would've picked up mega yards if not for a controversial OPI.

    There was no rhyme or reason to anything in that sequence and shows pretty clearly that Shanahan was all over the place in deciding what to do.

    Did I mention, they were also going to receive the kickoff at the start of the second half?

    That's as close as it comes to playing with house money in a tie game.

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    Can't help but agree that Shanahan-Garoppolo isn't going to work.
     
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    They are totally unsuited for each other. SF needs a robotic type of QB like Matt Ryan who is told exactly where to put the ball. Jimmy G. back in New England would be awesome...he would thrive.
     
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    Seems the problem with Shanahan, McVeigh, LaFleur, the three guys with these revolutionary, and analytics-based approach, is that they handcuff the QB too much. The QB will at some point need to win the game for you and use his instincts.

    Saw epic flameouts with Garoppolo, Goff, and Rodgers in these systems.
     
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    Can’t blame Shanahan for Garoppolo missing throws and reads pro QBs should make. Look at that game review posted earlier in the thread. He had many open guys at key moments and didn’t make the play. Kettle had multiple plays where he was wide open and on the game changing 3rd and 5 Jimmy G had a guy crossing wide open and threw the ball away. He was horrible down the stretch.
     
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    I agree that this is exactly why Park Avenue is pimping Paddy Mahomies...but I disagree that he somehow has to automatically be described as Likable...because he actually isn't.
     
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    Everyone is likeable at first to the public. Even Curry went from the most universally popular to the most polarizing/hated player in the NBA.
     

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